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Dark-one
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2/13/2016 11:16:51 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
Bernie Sanders

-Hilary Clinton

-Trump

Rules: What ever you state firmly, be ready to back it up with plenty of details, because you will be grilled otherwise.

If you can't do that, it's ok. Just be sure to say someting like "it's my understanding", or "I've heard, but can't really confirm".

Do not get heated unless you have a very good idea of what you're talking about. I know that there's a lot I don't understand.

Example, my perspective:

Bernie Sanders--

Pros:
--Seems genuine

--Talking about campaign finance reform

Haven't read enough to say more.

Cons:
--His rhetoric on taxes and wealth concerns me. The cry of "fair share" is a red flag to me. I have yet to proven to that "fair share" is an effecient economic concept. It seems that his approach will incentivise businesses to get out of dodge rather than stay and experience even higher taxes, leading to less revenue. I'm told that the U.S. has one the highes business taxes in the world.

--I don't think there's enough super rich people to pay for education and heatlh.

--I've heard that he said "no one should make more than a million $." I don't have confirmation on that, but that's a red flag for me, punishing the incentive to produce.

Trump--

Pros:
--Has extensive business administration background and experience negotiating such deals
--Offers simplified tax code, 10%, 15%, 20%, 25%. I believe those are the percentages, although I'm not entirely sure what it means in the long run economically.
--Offers to close special interest loopholes
--Offers to eleminate tax for people making less than 25K a year. I believe that's the number.
--Offers to close loophole in gun registration by having states report their crime records.
--Self funded, meaning he doesn't owe money to any special interests
--Wants to be careful with middle-eastern immigrants and immigrants in general, and talks about investigating "root cause" of hatred within extremist ranks of international Islam.
"Offers to use VISA denial to force Mexico to pay for wall
"Offers to track VISA users to prevent VISA overstays

Cons:

I'm skeptical of anyone running for office, but I don't know of any distinct issues with him that can be reliably backed up.

Clinton--
Pros:
--Don't have any reliable sources for that information

Cons:
--Her past feels too fishy to trust her: Whitewater, Bengazi, Clinton mistresses, emails.
Wylted
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2/14/2016 1:25:38 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/13/2016 11:16:51 PM, Dark-one wrote:
Bernie Sanders

Con- he is a statist.

-Hilary Clinton

Con- statist

-Trump

Con- statist

Rules: What ever you state firmly, be ready to back it up with plenty of details, because you will be grilled otherwise.

If you can't do that, it's ok. Just be sure to say someting like "it's my understanding", or "I've heard, but can't really confirm".

Do not get heated unless you have a very good idea of what you're talking about. I know that there's a lot I don't understand.

Example, my perspective:

Bernie Sanders--

Pros:
--Seems genuine

--Talking about campaign finance reform

Haven't read enough to say more.

Cons:
--His rhetoric on taxes and wealth concerns me. The cry of "fair share" is a red flag to me. I have yet to proven to that "fair share" is an effecient economic concept. It seems that his approach will incentivise businesses to get out of dodge rather than stay and experience even higher taxes, leading to less revenue. I'm told that the U.S. has one the highes business taxes in the world.

--I don't think there's enough super rich people to pay for education and heatlh.

--I've heard that he said "no one should make more than a million $." I don't have confirmation on that, but that's a red flag for me, punishing the incentive to produce.

Trump--

Pros:
--Has extensive business administration background and experience negotiating such deals
--Offers simplified tax code, 10%, 15%, 20%, 25%. I believe those are the percentages, although I'm not entirely sure what it means in the long run economically.
--Offers to close special interest loopholes
--Offers to eleminate tax for people making less than 25K a year. I believe that's the number.
--Offers to close loophole in gun registration by having states report their crime records.
--Self funded, meaning he doesn't owe money to any special interests
--Wants to be careful with middle-eastern immigrants and immigrants in general, and talks about investigating "root cause" of hatred within extremist ranks of international Islam.
"Offers to use VISA denial to force Mexico to pay for wall
"Offers to track VISA users to prevent VISA overstays

Cons:

I'm skeptical of anyone running for office, but I don't know of any distinct issues with him that can be reliably backed up.

Clinton--
Pros:
--Don't have any reliable sources for that information

Cons:
--Her past feels too fishy to trust her: Whitewater, Bengazi, Clinton mistresses, emails.
Dark-one
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2/14/2016 2:32:25 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/14/2016 1:25:38 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 2/13/2016 11:16:51 PM, Dark-one wrote:
Bernie Sanders

Con- he is a statist.

-Hilary Clinton

Con- statist

-Trump

Con- statist

Rules: What ever you state firmly, be ready to back it up with plenty of details, because you will be grilled otherwise.

If you can't do that, it's ok. Just be sure to say someting like "it's my understanding", or "I've heard, but can't really confirm".

Do not get heated unless you have a very good idea of what you're talking about. I know that there's a lot I don't understand.

Example, my perspective:

Bernie Sanders--

Pros:
--Seems genuine

--Talking about campaign finance reform

Haven't read enough to say more.

Cons:
--His rhetoric on taxes and wealth concerns me. The cry of "fair share" is a red flag to me. I have yet to proven to that "fair share" is an effecient economic concept. It seems that his approach will incentivise businesses to get out of dodge rather than stay and experience even higher taxes, leading to less revenue. I'm told that the U.S. has one the highes business taxes in the world.

--I don't think there's enough super rich people to pay for education and heatlh.

--I've heard that he said "no one should make more than a million $." I don't have confirmation on that, but that's a red flag for me, punishing the incentive to produce.

Trump--

Pros:
--Has extensive business administration background and experience negotiating such deals
--Offers simplified tax code, 10%, 15%, 20%, 25%. I believe those are the percentages, although I'm not entirely sure what it means in the long run economically.
--Offers to close special interest loopholes
--Offers to eleminate tax for people making less than 25K a year. I believe that's the number.
--Offers to close loophole in gun registration by having states report their crime records.
--Self funded, meaning he doesn't owe money to any special interests
--Wants to be careful with middle-eastern immigrants and immigrants in general, and talks about investigating "root cause" of hatred within extremist ranks of international Islam.
"Offers to use VISA denial to force Mexico to pay for wall
"Offers to track VISA users to prevent VISA overstays

Cons:

I'm skeptical of anyone running for office, but I don't know of any distinct issues with him that can be reliably backed up.

Clinton--
Pros:
--Don't have any reliable sources for that information

Cons:
--Her past feels too fishy to trust her: Whitewater, Bengazi, Clinton mistresses, emails.

You'll have to go more in-depth with the word "statist".
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2/14/2016 4:30:32 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/14/2016 4:28:23 AM, Wylted wrote:
They want to increase the size and scope of government

You need to be very specific, policies, sources, numbers, effects of those numbers.
Wylted
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2/14/2016 4:34:59 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/14/2016 4:30:32 AM, Dark-one wrote:
At 2/14/2016 4:28:23 AM, Wylted wrote:
They want to increase the size and scope of government

You need to be very specific, policies, sources, numbers, effects of those numbers.

Why is that? Bernie and Trump want a single pater gealthcare system, hillary loves the new fourth branch of government I lovingly refer to as the national security state.

I'm referring to anyone wgo wants more government in size and scope, which covers everyone's positive policies, that they are proposing. Therebisn't nuch to say. I support a smaller government that doesn't spy on it's citizens, is free market, and respects everyone's negative rights
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2/14/2016 4:38:54 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/14/2016 4:34:59 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 2/14/2016 4:30:32 AM, Dark-one wrote:
At 2/14/2016 4:28:23 AM, Wylted wrote:
They want to increase the size and scope of government

You need to be very specific, policies, sources, numbers, effects of those numbers.

Why is that? Bernie and Trump want a single pater gealthcare system, hillary loves the new fourth branch of government I lovingly refer to as the national security state.

I'm referring to anyone wgo wants more government in size and scope, which covers everyone's positive policies, that they are proposing. Therebisn't nuch to say. I support a smaller government that doesn't spy on it's citizens, is free market, and respects everyone's negative rights

You're still not being specific enough about Trump, Hilary, and Bernie.
Wylted
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2/14/2016 4:45:25 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/14/2016 4:38:54 AM, Dark-one wrote:
At 2/14/2016 4:34:59 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 2/14/2016 4:30:32 AM, Dark-one wrote:
At 2/14/2016 4:28:23 AM, Wylted wrote:
They want to increase the size and scope of government

You need to be very specific, policies, sources, numbers, effects of those numbers.

Why is that? Bernie and Trump want a single pater gealthcare system, hillary loves the new fourth branch of government I lovingly refer to as the national security state.

I'm referring to anyone wgo wants more government in size and scope, which covers everyone's positive policies, that they are proposing. Therebisn't nuch to say. I support a smaller government that doesn't spy on it's citizens, is free market, and respects everyone's negative rights

You're still not being specific enough about Trump, Hilary, and Bernie.

I'm not going to list every single policy each of them have and then write next to all 462 policies that I oppose it, because it increases the size and scope of government. That's absurd.
Dark-one
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2/14/2016 4:46:22 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/14/2016 4:45:25 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 2/14/2016 4:38:54 AM, Dark-one wrote:
At 2/14/2016 4:34:59 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 2/14/2016 4:30:32 AM, Dark-one wrote:
At 2/14/2016 4:28:23 AM, Wylted wrote:
They want to increase the size and scope of government

You need to be very specific, policies, sources, numbers, effects of those numbers.

Why is that? Bernie and Trump want a single pater gealthcare system, hillary loves the new fourth branch of government I lovingly refer to as the national security state.

I'm referring to anyone wgo wants more government in size and scope, which covers everyone's positive policies, that they are proposing. Therebisn't nuch to say. I support a smaller government that doesn't spy on it's citizens, is free market, and respects everyone's negative rights

You're still not being specific enough about Trump, Hilary, and Bernie.

I'm not going to list every single policy each of them have and then write next to all 462 policies that I oppose it, because it increases the size and scope of government. That's absurd.

Then give me sources.
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2/14/2016 5:00:00 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/14/2016 4:46:02 AM, Wylted wrote:
I did also mention the single payer system and the NSA.

If remember correctly, trump is using a moderate version of the progressive tax system, not single payer.
Wylted
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2/14/2016 6:34:23 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/14/2016 4:46:22 AM, Dark-one wrote:
At 2/14/2016 4:45:25 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 2/14/2016 4:38:54 AM, Dark-one wrote:
At 2/14/2016 4:34:59 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 2/14/2016 4:30:32 AM, Dark-one wrote:
At 2/14/2016 4:28:23 AM, Wylted wrote:
They want to increase the size and scope of government

You need to be very specific, policies, sources, numbers, effects of those numbers.

Why is that? Bernie and Trump want a single pater gealthcare system, hillary loves the new fourth branch of government I lovingly refer to as the national security state.

I'm referring to anyone wgo wants more government in size and scope, which covers everyone's positive policies, that they are proposing. Therebisn't nuch to say. I support a smaller government that doesn't spy on it's citizens, is free market, and respects everyone's negative rights

You're still not being specific enough about Trump, Hilary, and Bernie.

I'm not going to list every single policy each of them have and then write next to all 462 policies that I oppose it, because it increases the size and scope of government. That's absurd.

Then give me sources.

Sources for what? Liberals having liberal policies? This is commo. Knowledge. Conmon knowledge does not need citations. I don't need to site facts such as "Obama is the curre t president"
Wylted
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2/14/2016 6:35:14 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/14/2016 5:00:00 AM, Dark-one wrote:
At 2/14/2016 4:46:02 AM, Wylted wrote:
I did also mention the single payer system and the NSA.


If remember correctly, trump is using a moderate version of the progressive tax system, not single payer.

I'm referring to healthcare, never mind. I'm done talking to you.
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2/14/2016 6:56:39 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/14/2016 6:34:23 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 2/14/2016 4:46:22 AM, Dark-one wrote:
At 2/14/2016 4:45:25 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 2/14/2016 4:38:54 AM, Dark-one wrote:
At 2/14/2016 4:34:59 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 2/14/2016 4:30:32 AM, Dark-one wrote:
At 2/14/2016 4:28:23 AM, Wylted wrote:
They want to increase the size and scope of government

You need to be very specific, policies, sources, numbers, effects of those numbers.

Why is that? Bernie and Trump want a single pater gealthcare system, hillary loves the new fourth branch of government I lovingly refer to as the national security state.

I'm referring to anyone wgo wants more government in size and scope, which covers everyone's positive policies, that they are proposing. Therebisn't nuch to say. I support a smaller government that doesn't spy on it's citizens, is free market, and respects everyone's negative rights

You're still not being specific enough about Trump, Hilary, and Bernie.

I'm not going to list every single policy each of them have and then write next to all 462 policies that I oppose it, because it increases the size and scope of government. That's absurd.

Then give me sources.

Sources for what? Liberals having liberal policies? This is commo. Knowledge. Conmon knowledge does not need citations. I don't need to site facts such as "Obama is the curre t president"

The president is obvious.
As for the rest, details matter man.
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2/14/2016 5:57:03 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
Hillary

Pro: She'll vote in alignment with whatever the majority thinks

Con: She's riddled with corruption and deception.

Sanders:

Pro: Seems honest and wants to accomplish great things.

Con: he hasn't figured out we can't accomplish those things economically.

Trump:

Pro: self-funded billionaire, wants to enact typical conservative policies

Con: his past shows that he follows the money across party and ideological lines

Cruz:

Pro: Constitutional Supreme Court lawyer wants to enact typical conservative policies.

Con: accused of cheating, coming across as a salesman

There's just way too much info involved with a breakdown of a each candidate.
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2/16/2016 12:35:48 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/13/2016 11:16:51 PM, Dark-one wrote:
Bernie Sanders

-Hilary Clinton

-Trump

Rules: What ever you state firmly, be ready to back it up with plenty of details, because you will be grilled otherwise.

If you can't do that, it's ok. Just be sure to say someting like "it's my understanding", or "I've heard, but can't really confirm".

Do not get heated unless you have a very good idea of what you're talking about. I know that there's a lot I don't understand.

Example, my perspective:

Bernie Sanders--

Pros:
--Seems genuine

--Talking about campaign finance reform

Haven't read enough to say more.

Cons:
--His rhetoric on taxes and wealth concerns me. The cry of "fair share" is a red flag to me. I have yet to proven to that "fair share" is an effecient economic concept. It seems that his approach will incentivise businesses to get out of dodge rather than stay and experience even higher taxes, leading to less revenue. I'm told that the U.S. has one the highes business taxes in the world.

--I don't think there's enough super rich people to pay for education and heatlh.

--I've heard that he said "no one should make more than a million $." I don't have confirmation on that, but that's a red flag for me, punishing the incentive to produce.

Trump--

Pros:
--Has extensive business administration background and experience negotiating such deals
--Offers simplified tax code, 10%, 15%, 20%, 25%. I believe those are the percentages, although I'm not entirely sure what it means in the long run economically.
--Offers to close special interest loopholes
--Offers to eleminate tax for people making less than 25K a year. I believe that's the number.
--Offers to close loophole in gun registration by having states report their crime records.
--Self funded, meaning he doesn't owe money to any special interests
--Wants to be careful with middle-eastern immigrants and immigrants in general, and talks about investigating "root cause" of hatred within extremist ranks of international Islam.
"Offers to use VISA denial to force Mexico to pay for wall
"Offers to track VISA users to prevent VISA overstays

Cons:

I'm skeptical of anyone running for office, but I don't know of any distinct issues with him that can be reliably backed up.

Clinton--
Pros:
--Don't have any reliable sources for that information

Cons:
--Her past feels too fishy to trust her: Whitewater, Bengazi, Clinton mistresses, emails.

Hillary

Pro- statist

Con- too overconfident

Bernie

Pro- statist

Con- socialist

Trump

Pro- statist

Con- Dumb a s s
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2/16/2016 1:18:46 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/16/2016 12:35:48 AM, Reformist wrote:
At 2/13/2016 11:16:51 PM, Dark-one wrote:
Bernie Sanders

-Hilary Clinton

-Trump

Rules: What ever you state firmly, be ready to back it up with plenty of details, because you will be grilled otherwise.

If you can't do that, it's ok. Just be sure to say someting like "it's my understanding", or "I've heard, but can't really confirm".

Do not get heated unless you have a very good idea of what you're talking about. I know that there's a lot I don't understand.

Example, my perspective:

Bernie Sanders--

Pros:
--Seems genuine

--Talking about campaign finance reform

Haven't read enough to say more.

Cons:
--His rhetoric on taxes and wealth concerns me. The cry of "fair share" is a red flag to me. I have yet to proven to that "fair share" is an effecient economic concept. It seems that his approach will incentivise businesses to get out of dodge rather than stay and experience even higher taxes, leading to less revenue. I'm told that the U.S. has one the highes business taxes in the world.

--I don't think there's enough super rich people to pay for education and heatlh.

--I've heard that he said "no one should make more than a million $." I don't have confirmation on that, but that's a red flag for me, punishing the incentive to produce.

Trump--

Pros:
--Has extensive business administration background and experience negotiating such deals
--Offers simplified tax code, 10%, 15%, 20%, 25%. I believe those are the percentages, although I'm not entirely sure what it means in the long run economically.
--Offers to close special interest loopholes
--Offers to eleminate tax for people making less than 25K a year. I believe that's the number.
--Offers to close loophole in gun registration by having states report their crime records.
--Self funded, meaning he doesn't owe money to any special interests
--Wants to be careful with middle-eastern immigrants and immigrants in general, and talks about investigating "root cause" of hatred within extremist ranks of international Islam.
"Offers to use VISA denial to force Mexico to pay for wall
"Offers to track VISA users to prevent VISA overstays

Cons:

I'm skeptical of anyone running for office, but I don't know of any distinct issues with him that can be reliably backed up.

Clinton--
Pros:
--Don't have any reliable sources for that information

Cons:
--Her past feels too fishy to trust her: Whitewater, Bengazi, Clinton mistresses, emails.

Hillary

Pro- statist

Con- too overconfident

Bernie

Pro- statist

Con- socialist

Trump

Pro- statist

Con- Dumb a s s

You provide no context for anything you've written. You also haven't proved to me that Trump is a dumpass, or that Hilary is overconfident.