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10/11/2016 10:52:50 PM
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The minimum wage is killing businesses. Workers protest everyday to raise the base for wages higher and higher. They claim that it is not a living wage, and that they require a base wage for even the lowest level jobs. It is in the best interest of everyone to abolish the minimum wage and let the employers decide. If a wage is too low, workers will rush to work for the company's competitors.
Minimum wage jobs will become a thing of the past, and the work people do will be reflected in their wages. People rely too much on easy jobs requirement of a minimum wage, even asking for 15$ an hour as the minimum Businesses could them compete with each other via their salaries, and would make for a much more competitive market. This is in the best interest of employers and employees alike.
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10/12/2016 12:36:10 AM
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Minimum wage should be determined by an impartial algorithm, not bleeding-heart politicians. This algorithm would collect the price data of groceries, fuel, housing, etc. and calculate the minimum full-time income required to purchase those necessities. As prices go up or down, so does the minimum wage, and it would be determined entirely by the free market independent of lawmakers. The algorithm would also factor the average wages that people are already earning, and would determine whether you're truly poor or just a whiny bitch.

I believe that some socialist ideas are good, but they must be implemented by cold-hearted capitalists to be economical.
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10/12/2016 12:48:29 AM
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At 10/12/2016 12:36:10 AM, Genius_Intellect wrote:
Minimum wage should be determined by an impartial algorithm, not bleeding-heart politicians. This algorithm would collect the price data of groceries, fuel, housing, etc. and calculate the minimum full-time income required to purchase those necessities. As prices go up or down, so does the minimum wage, and it would be determined entirely by the free market independent of lawmakers. The algorithm would also factor the average wages that people are already earning, and would determine whether you're truly poor or just a whiny bitch.

I believe that some socialist ideas are good, but they must be implemented by cold-hearted capitalists to be economical.

And there is no burden on the employers accounting if this algorithm methodology were to be implemented?
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10/12/2016 1:10:20 AM
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At 10/12/2016 12:48:29 AM, Stymie13 wrote:
At 10/12/2016 12:36:10 AM, Genius_Intellect wrote:
Minimum wage should be determined by an impartial algorithm, not bleeding-heart politicians. This algorithm would collect the price data of groceries, fuel, housing, etc. and calculate the minimum full-time income required to purchase those necessities. As prices go up or down, so does the minimum wage, and it would be determined entirely by the free market independent of lawmakers. The algorithm would also factor the average wages that people are already earning, and would determine whether you're truly poor or just a whiny bitch.

I believe that some socialist ideas are good, but they must be implemented by cold-hearted capitalists to be economical.

And there is no burden on the employers accounting if this algorithm methodology were to be implemented?

Tax department runs the algorithm, employers merely adjust their wages so they're at or above the minimum. If the minimum wage drops, the employers can choose whether to lower their wages in consultation with their employees.
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10/12/2016 1:21:05 AM
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At 10/12/2016 1:10:20 AM, Genius_Intellect wrote:
At 10/12/2016 12:48:29 AM, Stymie13 wrote:
At 10/12/2016 12:36:10 AM, Genius_Intellect wrote:
Minimum wage should be determined by an impartial algorithm, not bleeding-heart politicians. This algorithm would collect the price data of groceries, fuel, housing, etc. and calculate the minimum full-time income required to purchase those necessities. As prices go up or down, so does the minimum wage, and it would be determined entirely by the free market independent of lawmakers. The algorithm would also factor the average wages that people are already earning, and would determine whether you're truly poor or just a whiny bitch.

I believe that some socialist ideas are good, but they must be implemented by cold-hearted capitalists to be economical.

And there is no burden on the employers accounting if this algorithm methodology were to be implemented?

Tax department runs the algorithm, employers merely adjust their wages so they're at or above the minimum. If the minimum wage drops, the employers can choose whether to lower their wages in consultation with their employees.

You are missing the question: businesses, especially small, have to budget expenses, especially labor. By this 'theory' there is no baseline. At least not as outlines. The accounting I'm talking about is them budgeting their labor expectations, hours allocated (not to mention the administrative burden on them).

Is cbsa taken into account? Msa? Geographic wage indices? How often is this algorithm run; weekly, monthly, yearly?
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10/12/2016 1:31:36 AM
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At 10/12/2016 1:21:05 AM, Stymie13 wrote:
You are missing the question: businesses, especially small, have to budget expenses, especially labor. By this 'theory' there is no baseline. At least not as outlines. The accounting I'm talking about is them budgeting their labor expectations, hours allocated (not to mention the administrative burden on them).

Is cbsa taken into account? Msa? Geographic wage indices? How often is this algorithm run; weekly, monthly, yearly?

I'm neither an accountant nor a computer scientist, so I can't give a super-detailed answer.

Since most salaries are paid weekly, I'd say the algorithm would fine-tune the minimum wage calculation constantly and update every week. Barring some major change in the economy, the wage shouldn't change by more than a few cents at a time.
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10/12/2016 1:37:10 AM
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At 10/12/2016 1:31:36 AM, Genius_Intellect wrote:
At 10/12/2016 1:21:05 AM, Stymie13 wrote:
You are missing the question: businesses, especially small, have to budget expenses, especially labor. By this 'theory' there is no baseline. At least not as outlines. The accounting I'm talking about is them budgeting their labor expectations, hours allocated (not to mention the administrative burden on them).

Is cbsa taken into account? Msa? Geographic wage indices? How often is this algorithm run; weekly, monthly, yearly?

I'm neither an accountant nor a computer scientist, so I can't give a super-detailed answer.

Since most salaries are paid weekly, I'd say the algorithm would fine-tune the minimum wage calculation constantly and update every week. Barring some major change in the economy, the wage shouldn't change by more than a few cents at a time.

I'm not trying to be mean here... this theory needs a lot of work and even a few cents at a time puts the administrative onus on small businesses that already deal with enough.

Also, and not nitpicking, but salary is a set rate vs hourly which is what the minimum wage covers. The Feds set a minimum but each state can set their own as long as it is at least the same as the fed min.
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10/12/2016 1:54:10 AM
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At 10/11/2016 10:52:50 PM, RLooney wrote:
The minimum wage is killing businesses. Workers protest everyday to raise the base for wages higher and higher. They claim that it is not a living wage, and that they require a base wage for even the lowest level jobs. It is in the best interest of everyone to abolish the minimum wage and let the employers decide. If a wage is too low, workers will rush to work for the company's competitors.
Minimum wage jobs will become a thing of the past, and the work people do will be reflected in their wages. People rely too much on easy jobs requirement of a minimum wage, even asking for 15$ an hour as the minimum Businesses could them compete with each other via their salaries, and would make for a much more competitive market. This is in the best interest of employers and employees alike.

A minimum wage is fundamentally a human rights violation. A person's wage is negotiated between an employee and employer, no third party (government) needed. People with low skills have a basic human right to use wages as a competitive advantage. People with higher skills are able to use a lower wage than others doing the same job, to gain employment. Also, an employment agreement should be without a threat of government violence against harmless people just because they are engaging in mutually beneficial voluntary exchange.

Next, minimum wage hinders new firms from using lower cost labor to enter markets. The externally imposed artificial wage provides an advantage to existing companies. By limiting new competition, existing firms can keep prices higher than if they had to continuously be watching for new lower cost businesses. This has been used historically to keep minority business out of markets. Lower cost minority businesses should not be excluded from markets by violent government actions.

Simply, a minimum wage is immoral.
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10/13/2016 6:11:26 PM
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totally agree.. miniumum wages as increasing too fast in certain countries like china, vietnam and cambodia. Entrepreneur rush there becos of low wages to setup plants, especially those in manufacturing and more worker intensive industry, only to have wages rising every year. No rise end up rioting..

on the other hand, minimum wage is to prevent employer from taking advantage of the workers... Still, important to strike a balance..
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10/14/2016 3:25:09 PM
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At 10/11/2016 10:52:50 PM, RLooney wrote:
The minimum wage is killing businesses. Workers protest everyday to raise the base for wages higher and higher. They claim that it is not a living wage, and that they require a base wage for even the lowest level jobs. It is in the best interest of everyone to abolish the minimum wage and let the employers decide. If a wage is too low, workers will rush to work for the company's competitors.
Minimum wage jobs will become a thing of the past, and the work people do will be reflected in their wages. People rely too much on easy jobs requirement of a minimum wage, even asking for 15$ an hour as the minimum Businesses could them compete with each other via their salaries, and would make for a much more competitive market. This is in the best interest of employers and employees alike.

If there were no federal requirement for minimum wage, then employers would surely exploit the system and employees would needlessly suffer. If you study American history, drawing this conclusion is inevitable: corporate greed is nowhere more evident than the example of robber barons, who profited immensely from unscrupulous work practices in the era that preceded unions and regulations for fairness. A businessman looks at every way to maximize his dollars and cents and calls it good capitalism when he does so, even if it's at the expense of his employee's needs. Why do people allow their greed for every last penny overcome their sense of basic moral obligations to others? Business and ethics should not be at odds.
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10/14/2016 10:17:20 PM
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At 10/14/2016 3:25:09 PM, RayOfWisdom wrote:
At 10/11/2016 10:52:50 PM, RLooney wrote:
The minimum wage is killing businesses. Workers protest everyday to raise the base for wages higher and higher. They claim that it is not a living wage, and that they require a base wage for even the lowest level jobs. It is in the best interest of everyone to abolish the minimum wage and let the employers decide. If a wage is too low, workers will rush to work for the company's competitors.
Minimum wage jobs will become a thing of the past, and the work people do will be reflected in their wages. People rely too much on easy jobs requirement of a minimum wage, even asking for 15$ an hour as the minimum Businesses could them compete with each other via their salaries, and would make for a much more competitive market. This is in the best interest of employers and employees alike.

If there were no federal requirement for minimum wage, then employers would surely exploit the system and employees would needlessly suffer. If you study American history, drawing this conclusion is inevitable: corporate greed is nowhere more evident than the example of robber barons, who profited immensely from unscrupulous work practices in the era that preceded unions and regulations for fairness. A businessman looks at every way to maximize his dollars and cents and calls it good capitalism when he does so, even if it's at the expense of his employee's needs. Why do people allow their greed for every last penny overcome their sense of basic moral obligations to others? Business and ethics should not be at odds.

Simply untrue, only 3.9% of workers are paid at the Federal minimum wage. The minimum wage keeps those with the least skills out of the labor force, and prevents new firms from being able to compete on cost of labor.
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10/15/2016 4:26:03 PM
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At 10/14/2016 3:25:09 PM, RayOfWisdom wrote:
At 10/11/2016 10:52:50 PM, RLooney wrote:
The minimum wage is killing businesses. Workers protest everyday to raise the base for wages higher and higher. They claim that it is not a living wage, and that they require a base wage for even the lowest level jobs. It is in the best interest of everyone to abolish the minimum wage and let the employers decide. If a wage is too low, workers will rush to work for the company's competitors.
Minimum wage jobs will become a thing of the past, and the work people do will be reflected in their wages. People rely too much on easy jobs requirement of a minimum wage, even asking for 15$ an hour as the minimum Businesses could them compete with each other via their salaries, and would make for a much more competitive market. This is in the best interest of employers and employees alike.

If there were no federal requirement for minimum wage, then employers would surely exploit the system and employees would needlessly suffer. If you study American history, drawing this conclusion is inevitable: corporate greed is nowhere more evident than the example of robber barons, who profited immensely from unscrupulous work practices in the era that preceded unions and regulations for fairness. A businessman looks at every way to maximize his dollars and cents and calls it good capitalism when he does so, even if it's at the expense of his employee's needs. Why do people allow their greed for every last penny overcome their sense of basic moral obligations to others? Business and ethics should not be at odds.

Simply not true. Switzezland has a 0 minimum wage law and their on hour earnings are 25 dollars

And if employers paid their employees 5 cents than a tv would be a couple of dollars. Who is going to but their tv's if everyone is making a few cents a day
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10/15/2016 4:39:39 PM
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At 10/11/2016 10:52:50 PM, RLooney wrote:
The minimum wage is killing businesses. Workers protest everyday to raise the base for wages higher and higher. They claim that it is not a living wage, and that they require a base wage for even the lowest level jobs. It is in the best interest of everyone to abolish the minimum wage and let the employers decide. If a wage is too low, workers will rush to work for the company's competitors.
Minimum wage jobs will become a thing of the past, and the work people do will be reflected in their wages. People rely too much on easy jobs requirement of a minimum wage, even asking for 15$ an hour as the minimum Businesses could them compete with each other via their salaries, and would make for a much more competitive market. This is in the best interest of employers and employees alike.

You'd have to do it right, in Switzerland they have much higher wages than us but no minimum wage
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10/17/2016 9:56:45 PM
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At 10/15/2016 4:39:39 PM, RonPaulConservative wrote:
At 10/11/2016 10:52:50 PM, RLooney wrote:
The minimum wage is killing businesses. Workers protest everyday to raise the base for wages higher and higher. They claim that it is not a living wage, and that they require a base wage for even the lowest level jobs. It is in the best interest of everyone to abolish the minimum wage and let the employers decide. If a wage is too low, workers will rush to work for the company's competitors.
Minimum wage jobs will become a thing of the past, and the work people do will be reflected in their wages. People rely too much on easy jobs requirement of a minimum wage, even asking for 15$ an hour as the minimum Businesses could them compete with each other via their salaries, and would make for a much more competitive market. This is in the best interest of employers and employees alike.

You'd have to do it right, in Switzerland they have much higher wages than us but no minimum wage

I think there should be an entry level wage, but no minimum wage. Entry level should be for 6 months or one year while a person learns and proves their real value.
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10/19/2016 11:01:45 AM
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At 10/17/2016 9:56:45 PM, Face-of-the-deep wrote:
At 10/15/2016 4:39:39 PM, RonPaulConservative wrote:
At 10/11/2016 10:52:50 PM, RLooney wrote:
The minimum wage is killing businesses. Workers protest everyday to raise the base for wages higher and higher. They claim that it is not a living wage, and that they require a base wage for even the lowest level jobs. It is in the best interest of everyone to abolish the minimum wage and let the employers decide. If a wage is too low, workers will rush to work for the company's competitors.
Minimum wage jobs will become a thing of the past, and the work people do will be reflected in their wages. People rely too much on easy jobs requirement of a minimum wage, even asking for 15$ an hour as the minimum Businesses could them compete with each other via their salaries, and would make for a much more competitive market. This is in the best interest of employers and employees alike.

You'd have to do it right, in Switzerland they have much higher wages than us but no minimum wage

I think there should be an entry level wage, but no minimum wage. Entry level should be for 6 months or one year while a person learns and proves their real value.

No because I think one of the main problems is race when it comes to minimum wage

Whites are in general more productive than blacks so the only way to combat this is for the black man to be able to negotiate a lower wage at the start to make him look like a more attractive candidate than the white man.

Its just best to abolish the minimum wage
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10/19/2016 7:30:51 PM
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At 10/19/2016 11:01:45 AM, TeaPatriot wrote:
At 10/17/2016 9:56:45 PM, Face-of-the-deep wrote:
At 10/15/2016 4:39:39 PM, RonPaulConservative wrote:
At 10/11/2016 10:52:50 PM, RLooney wrote:
The minimum wage is killing businesses. Workers protest everyday to raise the base for wages higher and higher. They claim that it is not a living wage, and that they require a base wage for even the lowest level jobs. It is in the best interest of everyone to abolish the minimum wage and let the employers decide. If a wage is too low, workers will rush to work for the company's competitors.
Minimum wage jobs will become a thing of the past, and the work people do will be reflected in their wages. People rely too much on easy jobs requirement of a minimum wage, even asking for 15$ an hour as the minimum Businesses could them compete with each other via their salaries, and would make for a much more competitive market. This is in the best interest of employers and employees alike.

You'd have to do it right, in Switzerland they have much higher wages than us but no minimum wage

I think there should be an entry level wage, but no minimum wage. Entry level should be for 6 months or one year while a person learns and proves their real value.

No because I think one of the main problems is race when it comes to minimum wage

Whites are in general more productive than blacks so the only way to combat this is for the black man to be able to negotiate a lower wage at the start to make him look like a more attractive candidate than the white man.

Its just best to abolish the minimum wage

Ok, so If I work for 40 hrs. per week, at $1 per hr., that would satisfy any welfare work requirement and allow me to receive full government benefits. That sounds like a win for all minorities.
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10/19/2016 7:41:29 PM
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At 10/19/2016 7:30:51 PM, Face-of-the-deep wrote:
At 10/19/2016 11:01:45 AM, TeaPatriot wrote:
At 10/17/2016 9:56:45 PM, Face-of-the-deep wrote:
At 10/15/2016 4:39:39 PM, RonPaulConservative wrote:
At 10/11/2016 10:52:50 PM, RLooney wrote:
The minimum wage is killing businesses. Workers protest everyday to raise the base for wages higher and higher. They claim that it is not a living wage, and that they require a base wage for even the lowest level jobs. It is in the best interest of everyone to abolish the minimum wage and let the employers decide. If a wage is too low, workers will rush to work for the company's competitors.
Minimum wage jobs will become a thing of the past, and the work people do will be reflected in their wages. People rely too much on easy jobs requirement of a minimum wage, even asking for 15$ an hour as the minimum Businesses could them compete with each other via their salaries, and would make for a much more competitive market. This is in the best interest of employers and employees alike.

You'd have to do it right, in Switzerland they have much higher wages than us but no minimum wage

I think there should be an entry level wage, but no minimum wage. Entry level should be for 6 months or one year while a person learns and proves their real value.

No because I think one of the main problems is race when it comes to minimum wage

Whites are in general more productive than blacks so the only way to combat this is for the black man to be able to negotiate a lower wage at the start to make him look like a more attractive candidate than the white man.

Its just best to abolish the minimum wage

Ok, so If I work for 40 hrs. per week, at $1 per hr., that would satisfy any welfare work requirement and allow me to receive full government benefits. That sounds like a win for all minorities.

Yeah i believe in removing the welfare state, removing the minimum wage is just one of the goals
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10/21/2016 4:02:54 AM
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At 10/19/2016 11:01:45 AM, TeaPatriot wrote:
Whites are in general more productive than blacks...

Evidence?
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10/21/2016 10:45:04 AM
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At 10/21/2016 4:02:54 AM, Tree_of_Death wrote:
At 10/19/2016 11:01:45 AM, TeaPatriot wrote:
Whites are in general more productive than blacks...

Evidence?

This is shown when business owners hire whites for often higher wages than blacks who only request a minimum wage
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10/21/2016 9:45:11 PM
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At 10/21/2016 10:45:04 AM, TeaPatriot wrote:
At 10/21/2016 4:02:54 AM, Tree_of_Death wrote:
At 10/19/2016 11:01:45 AM, TeaPatriot wrote:
Whites are in general more productive than blacks...

Evidence?

This is shown when business owners hire whites for often higher wages than blacks who only request a minimum wage

Doesn't that indicate a perceived discrepancy rather than an actual one?
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10/21/2016 11:12:20 PM
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At 10/21/2016 9:45:11 PM, Tree_of_Death wrote:
At 10/21/2016 10:45:04 AM, TeaPatriot wrote:
At 10/21/2016 4:02:54 AM, Tree_of_Death wrote:
At 10/19/2016 11:01:45 AM, TeaPatriot wrote:
Whites are in general more productive than blacks...

Evidence?

This is shown when business owners hire whites for often higher wages than blacks who only request a minimum wage

Doesn't that indicate a perceived discrepancy rather than an actual one?

Buisness owners usually pay a more productive worker more than a less productive ones

Such as men getting paid more than women
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10/21/2016 11:12:26 PM
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At 10/21/2016 9:45:11 PM, Tree_of_Death wrote:
At 10/21/2016 10:45:04 AM, TeaPatriot wrote:
At 10/21/2016 4:02:54 AM, Tree_of_Death wrote:
At 10/19/2016 11:01:45 AM, TeaPatriot wrote:
Whites are in general more productive than blacks...

Evidence?

This is shown when business owners hire whites for often higher wages than blacks who only request a minimum wage

Doesn't that indicate a perceived discrepancy rather than an actual one?

He's wrong on that assertion. There is yet to be substantial evidence to show that as a result of race, blacks are somehow less productive than whites. However, there is enough statistics to show that the income of whites is on average higher than the income of blacks, but this is due to socioeconomic reasons, such as education, skill, opportunity, experience, etc. rather than race.
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10/21/2016 11:15:44 PM
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At 10/21/2016 11:12:20 PM, TeaPatriot wrote:
At 10/21/2016 9:45:11 PM, Tree_of_Death wrote:
At 10/21/2016 10:45:04 AM, TeaPatriot wrote:
At 10/21/2016 4:02:54 AM, Tree_of_Death wrote:
At 10/19/2016 11:01:45 AM, TeaPatriot wrote:
Whites are in general more productive than blacks...

Evidence?

This is shown when business owners hire whites for often higher wages than blacks who only request a minimum wage

Doesn't that indicate a perceived discrepancy rather than an actual one?

Buisness owners usually pay a more productive worker more than a less productive ones

Such as men getting paid more than women

You're saying that because business owners believe it to be true, it is true. Do you have any real proof? Scientific evidence perhaps?
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10/21/2016 11:16:52 PM
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At 10/21/2016 11:12:26 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 10/21/2016 9:45:11 PM, Tree_of_Death wrote:
At 10/21/2016 10:45:04 AM, TeaPatriot wrote:
At 10/21/2016 4:02:54 AM, Tree_of_Death wrote:
At 10/19/2016 11:01:45 AM, TeaPatriot wrote:
Whites are in general more productive than blacks...

Evidence?

This is shown when business owners hire whites for often higher wages than blacks who only request a minimum wage

Doesn't that indicate a perceived discrepancy rather than an actual one?

He's wrong on that assertion. There is yet to be substantial evidence to show that as a result of race, blacks are somehow less productive than whites. However, there is enough statistics to show that the income of whites is on average higher than the income of blacks, but this is due to socioeconomic reasons, such as education, skill, opportunity, experience, etc. rather than race.

Interesting. How does one measure productivity?
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10/21/2016 11:17:27 PM
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At 10/21/2016 11:15:44 PM, Tree_of_Death wrote:
At 10/21/2016 11:12:20 PM, TeaPatriot wrote:
At 10/21/2016 9:45:11 PM, Tree_of_Death wrote:
At 10/21/2016 10:45:04 AM, TeaPatriot wrote:
At 10/21/2016 4:02:54 AM, Tree_of_Death wrote:
At 10/19/2016 11:01:45 AM, TeaPatriot wrote:
Whites are in general more productive than blacks...

Evidence?

This is shown when business owners hire whites for often higher wages than blacks who only request a minimum wage

Doesn't that indicate a perceived discrepancy rather than an actual one?

Buisness owners usually pay a more productive worker more than a less productive ones

Such as men getting paid more than women

You're saying that because business owners believe it to be true, it is true. Do you have any real proof? Scientific evidence perhaps?

If there was no discrepancy between productivity we wouldnt see a national bias towards blacks
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10/21/2016 11:18:39 PM
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At 10/21/2016 11:16:52 PM, Tree_of_Death wrote:
At 10/21/2016 11:12:26 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 10/21/2016 9:45:11 PM, Tree_of_Death wrote:
At 10/21/2016 10:45:04 AM, TeaPatriot wrote:
At 10/21/2016 4:02:54 AM, Tree_of_Death wrote:
At 10/19/2016 11:01:45 AM, TeaPatriot wrote:
Whites are in general more productive than blacks...

Evidence?

This is shown when business owners hire whites for often higher wages than blacks who only request a minimum wage

Doesn't that indicate a perceived discrepancy rather than an actual one?

He's wrong on that assertion. There is yet to be substantial evidence to show that as a result of race, blacks are somehow less productive than whites. However, there is enough statistics to show that the income of whites is on average higher than the income of blacks, but this is due to socioeconomic reasons, such as education, skill, opportunity, experience, etc. rather than race.

Interesting. How does one measure productivity?

Labor productivity is the value of goods and services produced in a period of time, divided by the hours of labor used to produce them. In other words, labor productivity measures output produced per unit of labor, usually reported as output per hour worked or output per employed person.
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10/21/2016 11:21:35 PM
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At 10/21/2016 11:17:27 PM, TeaPatriot wrote:
At 10/21/2016 11:15:44 PM, Tree_of_Death wrote:
At 10/21/2016 11:12:20 PM, TeaPatriot wrote:
At 10/21/2016 9:45:11 PM, Tree_of_Death wrote:
At 10/21/2016 10:45:04 AM, TeaPatriot wrote:
At 10/21/2016 4:02:54 AM, Tree_of_Death wrote:
At 10/19/2016 11:01:45 AM, TeaPatriot wrote:
Whites are in general more productive than blacks...

Evidence?

This is shown when business owners hire whites for often higher wages than blacks who only request a minimum wage

Doesn't that indicate a perceived discrepancy rather than an actual one?

Buisness owners usually pay a more productive worker more than a less productive ones

Such as men getting paid more than women

You're saying that because business owners believe it to be true, it is true. Do you have any real proof? Scientific evidence perhaps?

If there was no discrepancy between productivity we wouldnt see a national bias towards blacks

You're assuming that everybody judges everybody else solely on how productive they are--which makes absolutely zero sense.
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10/21/2016 11:31:02 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/21/2016 11:21:35 PM, Tree_of_Death wrote:
At 10/21/2016 11:17:27 PM, TeaPatriot wrote:
At 10/21/2016 11:15:44 PM, Tree_of_Death wrote:
At 10/21/2016 11:12:20 PM, TeaPatriot wrote:
At 10/21/2016 9:45:11 PM, Tree_of_Death wrote:
At 10/21/2016 10:45:04 AM, TeaPatriot wrote:
At 10/21/2016 4:02:54 AM, Tree_of_Death wrote:
At 10/19/2016 11:01:45 AM, TeaPatriot wrote:
Whites are in general more productive than blacks...

Evidence?

This is shown when business owners hire whites for often higher wages than blacks who only request a minimum wage

Doesn't that indicate a perceived discrepancy rather than an actual one?

Buisness owners usually pay a more productive worker more than a less productive ones

Such as men getting paid more than women

You're saying that because business owners believe it to be true, it is true. Do you have any real proof? Scientific evidence perhaps?

If there was no discrepancy between productivity we wouldnt see a national bias towards blacks

You're assuming that everybody judges everybody else solely on how productive they are--which makes absolutely zero sense.

No im saying they are using their race
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10/21/2016 11:32:41 PM
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At 10/21/2016 11:31:02 PM, TeaPatriot wrote:
At 10/21/2016 11:21:35 PM, Tree_of_Death wrote:
At 10/21/2016 11:17:27 PM, TeaPatriot wrote:
At 10/21/2016 11:15:44 PM, Tree_of_Death wrote:
At 10/21/2016 11:12:20 PM, TeaPatriot wrote:
At 10/21/2016 9:45:11 PM, Tree_of_Death wrote:
At 10/21/2016 10:45:04 AM, TeaPatriot wrote:
At 10/21/2016 4:02:54 AM, Tree_of_Death wrote:
At 10/19/2016 11:01:45 AM, TeaPatriot wrote:
Whites are in general more productive than blacks...

Evidence?

This is shown when business owners hire whites for often higher wages than blacks who only request a minimum wage

Doesn't that indicate a perceived discrepancy rather than an actual one?

Buisness owners usually pay a more productive worker more than a less productive ones

Such as men getting paid more than women

You're saying that because business owners believe it to be true, it is true. Do you have any real proof? Scientific evidence perhaps?

If there was no discrepancy between productivity we wouldnt see a national bias towards blacks

You're assuming that everybody judges everybody else solely on how productive they are--which makes absolutely zero sense.

No im saying they are using their race

But productivity is not in the definition of race nor is it by any means inherently higher or lower in any one race. You continue to make unsubstantiated claims--give me some evidence!
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10/21/2016 11:34:40 PM
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At 10/21/2016 11:32:41 PM, Tree_of_Death wrote:
At 10/21/2016 11:31:02 PM, TeaPatriot wrote:
At 10/21/2016 11:21:35 PM, Tree_of_Death wrote:
At 10/21/2016 11:17:27 PM, TeaPatriot wrote:
At 10/21/2016 11:15:44 PM, Tree_of_Death wrote:
At 10/21/2016 11:12:20 PM, TeaPatriot wrote:
At 10/21/2016 9:45:11 PM, Tree_of_Death wrote:
At 10/21/2016 10:45:04 AM, TeaPatriot wrote:
At 10/21/2016 4:02:54 AM, Tree_of_Death wrote:
At 10/19/2016 11:01:45 AM, TeaPatriot wrote:
Whites are in general more productive than blacks...

Evidence?

This is shown when business owners hire whites for often higher wages than blacks who only request a minimum wage

Doesn't that indicate a perceived discrepancy rather than an actual one?

Buisness owners usually pay a more productive worker more than a less productive ones

Such as men getting paid more than women

You're saying that because business owners believe it to be true, it is true. Do you have any real proof? Scientific evidence perhaps?

If there was no discrepancy between productivity we wouldnt see a national bias towards blacks

You're assuming that everybody judges everybody else solely on how productive they are--which makes absolutely zero sense.

No im saying they are using their race

But productivity is not in the definition of race nor is it by any means inherently higher or lower in any one race. You continue to make unsubstantiated claims--give me some evidence!

Productivity isnt definite for race howvever there are trends
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