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10/23/2016 11:39:42 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
I find Capitalism to be the natural human state - that of desire, self interest, need for survival and triumph, and most importantly the idea that one is not owed anything from others by the virtue of their existence.

I also find any other state - Socialism, social democracy, etc. to be unnatural.

Thoughts?
If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand. - Friedman

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. - Friedman

Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist.
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10/24/2016 12:36:56 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/23/2016 11:39:42 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
I find Capitalism to be the natural human state - that of desire, self interest, need for survival and triumph, and most importantly the idea that one is not owed anything from others by the virtue of their existence.

I also find any other state - Socialism, social democracy, etc. to be unnatural.

Thoughts?

Capitalism is a nothing more than two parties coming together and engaging in an exchange that benefits both parties. Everyone, even in the most suppressive communist dictatorships, will engage in capitalism to fulfill their wants.
A free market anti-capitalist

If it can be de-centralized, it will be de-centralized.
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10/24/2016 12:38:16 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/24/2016 12:36:56 AM, Chang29 wrote:
At 10/23/2016 11:39:42 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
I find Capitalism to be the natural human state - that of desire, self interest, need for survival and triumph, and most importantly the idea that one is not owed anything from others by the virtue of their existence.

I also find any other state - Socialism, social democracy, etc. to be unnatural.

Thoughts?

Capitalism is a nothing more than two parties coming together and engaging in an exchange that benefits both parties. Everyone, even in the most suppressive communist dictatorships, will engage in capitalism to fulfill their wants.

Capitalism is substantially more than that, although I agree. Capitalism is free exchange of goods and ideas, unabridged by regulations and it must be backed by property rights. Granted, to have regulations doesn't mean that it isn't Capitalist, just that it's considerably less capitalist than the definition implies.
If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand. - Friedman

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. - Friedman

Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist.
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10/24/2016 12:59:31 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/24/2016 12:38:16 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 10/24/2016 12:36:56 AM, Chang29 wrote:
At 10/23/2016 11:39:42 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
I find Capitalism to be the natural human state - that of desire, self interest, need for survival and triumph, and most importantly the idea that one is not owed anything from others by the virtue of their existence.

I also find any other state - Socialism, social democracy, etc. to be unnatural.

Thoughts?

Capitalism is a nothing more than two parties coming together and engaging in an exchange that benefits both parties. Everyone, even in the most suppressive communist dictatorships, will engage in capitalism to fulfill their wants.

Capitalism is substantially more than that, although I agree. Capitalism is free exchange of goods and ideas, unabridged by regulations and it must be backed by property rights. Granted, to have regulations doesn't mean that it isn't Capitalist, just that it's considerably less capitalist than the definition implies.

Yet, to many the source of all evil in the history of mankind.
A free market anti-capitalist

If it can be de-centralized, it will be de-centralized.
Genius_Intellect
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10/24/2016 1:00:29 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/23/2016 11:39:42 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
I find Capitalism to be the natural human state - that of desire, self interest, need for survival and triumph, and most importantly the idea that one is not owed anything from others by the virtue of their existence.

I also find any other state - Socialism, social democracy, etc. to be unnatural.

Thoughts?

Neither is natural. The only natural human state is tribalism.
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10/24/2016 1:02:40 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/24/2016 12:59:31 AM, Chang29 wrote:
At 10/24/2016 12:38:16 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 10/24/2016 12:36:56 AM, Chang29 wrote:
At 10/23/2016 11:39:42 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
I find Capitalism to be the natural human state - that of desire, self interest, need for survival and triumph, and most importantly the idea that one is not owed anything from others by the virtue of their existence.

I also find any other state - Socialism, social democracy, etc. to be unnatural.

Thoughts?

Capitalism is a nothing more than two parties coming together and engaging in an exchange that benefits both parties. Everyone, even in the most suppressive communist dictatorships, will engage in capitalism to fulfill their wants.

Capitalism is substantially more than that, although I agree. Capitalism is free exchange of goods and ideas, unabridged by regulations and it must be backed by property rights. Granted, to have regulations doesn't mean that it isn't Capitalist, just that it's considerably less capitalist than the definition implies.

Yet, to idiots , the source of all evil in the history of mankind.

Fixed it for you
If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand. - Friedman

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. - Friedman

Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist.
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10/24/2016 1:04:17 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/24/2016 1:00:29 AM, Genius_Intellect wrote:
At 10/23/2016 11:39:42 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
I find Capitalism to be the natural human state - that of desire, self interest, need for survival and triumph, and most importantly the idea that one is not owed anything from others by the virtue of their existence.

I also find any other state - Socialism, social democracy, etc. to be unnatural.

Thoughts?

Neither is natural. The only natural human state is tribalism.

That's incorrect. Exchange of goods is a natural human interaction, one that is wired in us due to humans being social animals with the ability to reason.
If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand. - Friedman

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. - Friedman

Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist.
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10/24/2016 1:13:45 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/24/2016 1:00:29 AM, Genius_Intellect wrote:
At 10/23/2016 11:39:42 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
I find Capitalism to be the natural human state - that of desire, self interest, need for survival and triumph, and most importantly the idea that one is not owed anything from others by the virtue of their existence.

I also find any other state - Socialism, social democracy, etc. to be unnatural.

Thoughts?

Neither is natural. The only natural human state is tribalism.

Ok, assume tribes are humanities natural state. Capitalism operates much better than violence when exchanging between tribes. Then, when people can move between tribes, the best tribes will be successful. If a tribe requires a strong leader with a big stick to keep people in the tribe, failure is just around the corner.
A free market anti-capitalist

If it can be de-centralized, it will be de-centralized.
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10/24/2016 1:35:46 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/24/2016 1:13:45 AM, Chang29 wrote:
At 10/24/2016 1:00:29 AM, Genius_Intellect wrote:
At 10/23/2016 11:39:42 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
I find Capitalism to be the natural human state - that of desire, self interest, need for survival and triumph, and most importantly the idea that one is not owed anything from others by the virtue of their existence.

I also find any other state - Socialism, social democracy, etc. to be unnatural.

Thoughts?

Neither is natural. The only natural human state is tribalism.

Ok, assume tribes are humanities natural state. Capitalism operates much better than violence when exchanging between tribes.

Not always. Sometimes it's more practical to just kill the other guy and take his stuff, especially if he's a_pussy and has no friends. Trading is for when: 1, fighting is too risky; or 2, the other guy is more useful alive.

Primitive societies don't follow "enlightened" values.

Then, when people can move between tribes, the best tribes will be successful.

Or you get a surge of newcomers who try to impose their old customs onto their new tribe. Case in point: mass Muslim immigration.

If a tribe requires a strong leader with a big stick to keep people in the tribe, failure is just around the corner.

Depends who he's hitting with the stick. If he's hitting his own tribesmen, that's bad. If he's hitting the guys next door and stealing their stuff for the tribe, that's good. If he doesn't hit anybody, somebody else will steal his stick and hit him with it.
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10/24/2016 1:54:40 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
Often I hear about how great Capitalism is.
So I would like to challenge Capitalism.
If Capitalism is so great, they should have no objection to a little competition?
Competition in the form of a tax payer owned non profit shopping system."
Let the consumers decide which is the better system?
Privately owned , or community owned.
So what do you say all you hard core Capitalists,"
will you accept this challenge?"
Will you agree to the civil construction of a tax payer owned non profit shopping system, built next to your unfettered, make the highest profits possible, regardless of the cost to the community it's people, and it's economy , Capitalist monopoly "system .

That's what I figured.. "Chickens ! Bawk Bawk Bawk"
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10/24/2016 2:04:01 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/24/2016 1:35:46 AM, Genius_Intellect wrote:
At 10/24/2016 1:13:45 AM, Chang29 wrote:
At 10/24/2016 1:00:29 AM, Genius_Intellect wrote:
At 10/23/2016 11:39:42 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
I find Capitalism to be the natural human state - that of desire, self interest, need for survival and triumph, and most importantly the idea that one is not owed anything from others by the virtue of their existence.

I also find any other state - Socialism, social democracy, etc. to be unnatural.

Thoughts?

Neither is natural. The only natural human state is tribalism.

Ok, assume tribes are humanities natural state. Capitalism operates much better than violence when exchanging between tribes.

Not always. Sometimes it's more practical to just kill the other guy and take his stuff, especially if he's a_pussy and has no friends. Trading is for when: 1, fighting is too risky; or 2, the other guy is more useful alive.

Not a useful long term strategy.


Primitive societies don't follow "enlightened" values.

Then, when people can move between tribes, the best tribes will be successful.

Or you get a surge of newcomers who try to impose their old customs onto their new tribe. Case in point: mass Muslim immigration.

In tribes that respect individuals the new inferior customs will be rejected and eliminated very quickly.


If a tribe requires a strong leader with a big stick to keep people in the tribe, failure is just around the corner.

Depends who he's hitting with the stick. If he's hitting his own tribesmen, that's bad. If he's hitting the guys next door and stealing their stuff for the tribe, that's good. If he doesn't hit anybody, somebody else will steal his stick and hit him with it.

Wow, so much violence. Your view of society has a promising market for protection services.

Capitalism allow civilized society to evolved past the point of people exploiting people. Capitalism motivates people to serve others, instead of oppressing them. People will perform much better with a reward instead of a punishment.
A free market anti-capitalist

If it can be de-centralized, it will be de-centralized.
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10/24/2016 3:50:59 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/24/2016 2:04:01 AM, Chang29 wrote:
At 10/24/2016 1:35:46 AM, Genius_Intellect wrote:
Not always. Sometimes it's more practical to just kill the other guy and take his stuff, especially if he's a_pussy and has no friends. Trading is for when: 1, fighting is too risky; or 2, the other guy is more useful alive.

Not a useful long term strategy.

Are you kidding? Empires are built on this strategy.

Or you get a surge of newcomers who try to impose their old customs onto their new tribe. Case in point: mass Muslim immigration.

In tribes that respect individuals the new inferior customs will be rejected and eliminated very quickly.

This is just not true. Quite often, the new customs are enforced by way of violence. Sometimes the old members even welcome it, because they're too cucked to fight back.

Depends who he's hitting with the stick. If he's hitting his own tribesmen, that's bad. If he's hitting the guys next door and stealing their stuff for the tribe, that's good. If he doesn't hit anybody, somebody else will steal his stick and hit him with it.

Wow, so much violence. Your view of society has a promising market for protection services.

Just telling it how it is.

Capitalism allow civilized society to evolved past the point of people exploiting people. Capitalism motivates people to serve others, instead of oppressing them. People will perform much better with a reward instead of a punishment.

Whether capitalism is "better" is irrelevant. The question is whether it's "natural". My answer is no.
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10/24/2016 4:22:43 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/24/2016 3:50:59 AM, Genius_Intellect wrote:
At 10/24/2016 2:04:01 AM, Chang29 wrote:
At 10/24/2016 1:35:46 AM, Genius_Intellect wrote:
Not always. Sometimes it's more practical to just kill the other guy and take his stuff, especially if he's a_pussy and has no friends. Trading is for when: 1, fighting is too risky; or 2, the other guy is more useful alive.

Not a useful long term strategy.

Are you kidding? Empires are built on this strategy.

Or you get a surge of newcomers who try to impose their old customs onto their new tribe. Case in point: mass Muslim immigration.

In tribes that respect individuals the new inferior customs will be rejected and eliminated very quickly.

This is just not true. Quite often, the new customs are enforced by way of violence. Sometimes the old members even welcome it, because they're too cucked to fight back.

Depends who he's hitting with the stick. If he's hitting his own tribesmen, that's bad. If he's hitting the guys next door and stealing their stuff for the tribe, that's good. If he doesn't hit anybody, somebody else will steal his stick and hit him with it.

Wow, so much violence. Your view of society has a promising market for protection services.

Just telling it how it is.

Capitalism allow civilized society to evolved past the point of people exploiting people. Capitalism motivates people to serve others, instead of oppressing them. People will perform much better with a reward instead of a punishment.

Whether capitalism is "better" is irrelevant. The question is whether it's "natural". My answer is no.

Pionts taken.

Those that support violent economic systems must be committed, since they do not have the skills to serve their fellow man.
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If it can be de-centralized, it will be de-centralized.
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10/24/2016 4:26:15 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/24/2016 4:22:43 AM, Chang29 wrote:
At 10/24/2016 3:50:59 AM, Genius_Intellect wrote:
At 10/24/2016 2:04:01 AM, Chang29 wrote:
At 10/24/2016 1:35:46 AM, Genius_Intellect wrote:
Not always. Sometimes it's more practical to just kill the other guy and take his stuff, especially if he's a_pussy and has no friends. Trading is for when: 1, fighting is too risky; or 2, the other guy is more useful alive.

Not a useful long term strategy.

Are you kidding? Empires are built on this strategy.

Or you get a surge of newcomers who try to impose their old customs onto their new tribe. Case in point: mass Muslim immigration.

In tribes that respect individuals the new inferior customs will be rejected and eliminated very quickly.

This is just not true. Quite often, the new customs are enforced by way of violence. Sometimes the old members even welcome it, because they're too cucked to fight back.

Depends who he's hitting with the stick. If he's hitting his own tribesmen, that's bad. If he's hitting the guys next door and stealing their stuff for the tribe, that's good. If he doesn't hit anybody, somebody else will steal his stick and hit him with it.

Wow, so much violence. Your view of society has a promising market for protection services.

Just telling it how it is.

Capitalism allow civilized society to evolved past the point of people exploiting people. Capitalism motivates people to serve others, instead of oppressing them. People will perform much better with a reward instead of a punishment.

Whether capitalism is "better" is irrelevant. The question is whether it's "natural". My answer is no.

Pionts taken.

Those that support violent economic systems must be committed, since they do not have the skills to serve their fellow man.

If I see any of those people, I'll pass on the message.
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10/25/2016 1:23:22 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/24/2016 12:38:16 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 10/24/2016 12:36:56 AM, Chang29 wrote:
At 10/23/2016 11:39:42 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
I find Capitalism to be the natural human state - that of desire, self interest, need for survival and triumph, and most importantly the idea that one is not owed anything from others by the virtue of their existence.

I also find any other state - Socialism, social democracy, etc. to be unnatural.

Thoughts?

Capitalism is a nothing more than two parties coming together and engaging in an exchange that benefits both parties. Everyone, even in the most suppressive communist dictatorships, will engage in capitalism to fulfill their wants.

Capitalism is substantially more than that, although I agree. Capitalism is free exchange of goods and ideas, unabridged by regulations and it must be backed by property rights. Granted, to have regulations doesn't mean that it isn't Capitalist, just that it's considerably less capitalist than the definition implies.

Are you an advocate for pure capitalism (without regulation) and, specifically, a tax rate of 0%? The obvious follow up, why?
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10/25/2016 1:46:54 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/25/2016 1:23:22 AM, ColeTrain wrote:
At 10/24/2016 12:38:16 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 10/24/2016 12:36:56 AM, Chang29 wrote:
At 10/23/2016 11:39:42 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
I find Capitalism to be the natural human state - that of desire, self interest, need for survival and triumph, and most importantly the idea that one is not owed anything from others by the virtue of their existence.

I also find any other state - Socialism, social democracy, etc. to be unnatural.

Thoughts?

Capitalism is a nothing more than two parties coming together and engaging in an exchange that benefits both parties. Everyone, even in the most suppressive communist dictatorships, will engage in capitalism to fulfill their wants.

Capitalism is substantially more than that, although I agree. Capitalism is free exchange of goods and ideas, unabridged by regulations and it must be backed by property rights. Granted, to have regulations doesn't mean that it isn't Capitalist, just that it's considerably less capitalist than the definition implies.

Are you an advocate for pure capitalism (without regulation) and, specifically, a tax rate of 0%? The obvious follow up, why?

Yes, and yes. Because I like keeping my money.
If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand. - Friedman

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. - Friedman

Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist.
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10/25/2016 1:47:46 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/25/2016 1:46:54 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 10/25/2016 1:23:22 AM, ColeTrain wrote:
At 10/24/2016 12:38:16 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 10/24/2016 12:36:56 AM, Chang29 wrote:
At 10/23/2016 11:39:42 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
I find Capitalism to be the natural human state - that of desire, self interest, need for survival and triumph, and most importantly the idea that one is not owed anything from others by the virtue of their existence.

I also find any other state - Socialism, social democracy, etc. to be unnatural.

Thoughts?

Capitalism is a nothing more than two parties coming together and engaging in an exchange that benefits both parties. Everyone, even in the most suppressive communist dictatorships, will engage in capitalism to fulfill their wants.

Capitalism is substantially more than that, although I agree. Capitalism is free exchange of goods and ideas, unabridged by regulations and it must be backed by property rights. Granted, to have regulations doesn't mean that it isn't Capitalist, just that it's considerably less capitalist than the definition implies.

Are you an advocate for pure capitalism (without regulation) and, specifically, a tax rate of 0%? The obvious follow up, why?

Yes, and yes. Because I like keeping my money.

Could you expound on your advocacy for a 0% tax rate?
"The right to 360 noscope noobs shall not be infringed!!!" -- tajshar2k
"So, to start off, I've never committed suicide." -- Vaarka
"I eat glue." -- brontoraptor
"I mean, at this rate, I'd argue for a ham sandwich presidency." -- ResponsiblyIrresponsible
"Overthrow Assad, heil jihad." -- 16kadams when trolling in hangout
"Hillary Clinton is not my favorite person ... and her campaign is as inspiring as a bowl of cottage cheese." -- YYW
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10/25/2016 1:59:30 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/25/2016 1:47:46 AM, ColeTrain wrote:
At 10/25/2016 1:46:54 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 10/25/2016 1:23:22 AM, ColeTrain wrote:
At 10/24/2016 12:38:16 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 10/24/2016 12:36:56 AM, Chang29 wrote:
At 10/23/2016 11:39:42 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
I find Capitalism to be the natural human state - that of desire, self interest, need for survival and triumph, and most importantly the idea that one is not owed anything from others by the virtue of their existence.

I also find any other state - Socialism, social democracy, etc. to be unnatural.

Thoughts?

Capitalism is a nothing more than two parties coming together and engaging in an exchange that benefits both parties. Everyone, even in the most suppressive communist dictatorships, will engage in capitalism to fulfill their wants.

Capitalism is substantially more than that, although I agree. Capitalism is free exchange of goods and ideas, unabridged by regulations and it must be backed by property rights. Granted, to have regulations doesn't mean that it isn't Capitalist, just that it's considerably less capitalist than the definition implies.

Are you an advocate for pure capitalism (without regulation) and, specifically, a tax rate of 0%? The obvious follow up, why?

Yes, and yes. Because I like keeping my money.

Could you expound on your advocacy for a 0% tax rate?

I do not want any of my money going to the government
If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand. - Friedman

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. - Friedman

Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist.
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10/25/2016 4:16:19 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/25/2016 1:59:30 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 10/25/2016 1:47:46 AM, ColeTrain wrote:
At 10/25/2016 1:46:54 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 10/25/2016 1:23:22 AM, ColeTrain wrote:
At 10/24/2016 12:38:16 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 10/24/2016 12:36:56 AM, Chang29 wrote:
At 10/23/2016 11:39:42 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
I find Capitalism to be the natural human state - that of desire, self interest, need for survival and triumph, and most importantly the idea that one is not owed anything from others by the virtue of their existence.

I also find any other state - Socialism, social democracy, etc. to be unnatural.

Thoughts?

Capitalism is a nothing more than two parties coming together and engaging in an exchange that benefits both parties. Everyone, even in the most suppressive communist dictatorships, will engage in capitalism to fulfill their wants.

Capitalism is substantially more than that, although I agree. Capitalism is free exchange of goods and ideas, unabridged by regulations and it must be backed by property rights. Granted, to have regulations doesn't mean that it isn't Capitalist, just that it's considerably less capitalist than the definition implies.

Are you an advocate for pure capitalism (without regulation) and, specifically, a tax rate of 0%? The obvious follow up, why?

Yes, and yes. Because I like keeping my money.

Could you expound on your advocacy for a 0% tax rate?

I do not want any of my money going to the government

How would military and such things be funded?
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"So, to start off, I've never committed suicide." -- Vaarka
"I eat glue." -- brontoraptor
"I mean, at this rate, I'd argue for a ham sandwich presidency." -- ResponsiblyIrresponsible
"Overthrow Assad, heil jihad." -- 16kadams when trolling in hangout
"Hillary Clinton is not my favorite person ... and her campaign is as inspiring as a bowl of cottage cheese." -- YYW
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10/25/2016 8:25:05 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/25/2016 4:16:19 PM, ColeTrain wrote:
At 10/25/2016 1:59:30 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 10/25/2016 1:47:46 AM, ColeTrain wrote:
At 10/25/2016 1:46:54 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 10/25/2016 1:23:22 AM, ColeTrain wrote:
At 10/24/2016 12:38:16 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 10/24/2016 12:36:56 AM, Chang29 wrote:
At 10/23/2016 11:39:42 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
I find Capitalism to be the natural human state - that of desire, self interest, need for survival and triumph, and most importantly the idea that one is not owed anything from others by the virtue of their existence.

I also find any other state - Socialism, social democracy, etc. to be unnatural.

Thoughts?

Capitalism is a nothing more than two parties coming together and engaging in an exchange that benefits both parties. Everyone, even in the most suppressive communist dictatorships, will engage in capitalism to fulfill their wants.

Capitalism is substantially more than that, although I agree. Capitalism is free exchange of goods and ideas, unabridged by regulations and it must be backed by property rights. Granted, to have regulations doesn't mean that it isn't Capitalist, just that it's considerably less capitalist than the definition implies.

Are you an advocate for pure capitalism (without regulation) and, specifically, a tax rate of 0%? The obvious follow up, why?

Yes, and yes. Because I like keeping my money.

Could you expound on your advocacy for a 0% tax rate?

I do not want any of my money going to the government

How would military and such things be funded?

The Mexicans will pay for it.
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10/25/2016 8:40:15 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/25/2016 8:25:05 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 10/25/2016 4:16:19 PM, ColeTrain wrote:
At 10/25/2016 1:59:30 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 10/25/2016 1:47:46 AM, ColeTrain wrote:
At 10/25/2016 1:46:54 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 10/25/2016 1:23:22 AM, ColeTrain wrote:
At 10/24/2016 12:38:16 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 10/24/2016 12:36:56 AM, Chang29 wrote:
At 10/23/2016 11:39:42 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
I find Capitalism to be the natural human state - that of desire, self interest, need for survival and triumph, and most importantly the idea that one is not owed anything from others by the virtue of their existence.

I also find any other state - Socialism, social democracy, etc. to be unnatural.

Thoughts?

Capitalism is a nothing more than two parties coming together and engaging in an exchange that benefits both parties. Everyone, even in the most suppressive communist dictatorships, will engage in capitalism to fulfill their wants.

Capitalism is substantially more than that, although I agree. Capitalism is free exchange of goods and ideas, unabridged by regulations and it must be backed by property rights. Granted, to have regulations doesn't mean that it isn't Capitalist, just that it's considerably less capitalist than the definition implies.

Are you an advocate for pure capitalism (without regulation) and, specifically, a tax rate of 0%? The obvious follow up, why?

Yes, and yes. Because I like keeping my money.

Could you expound on your advocacy for a 0% tax rate?

I do not want any of my money going to the government

How would military and such things be funded?

The Mexicans will pay for it.

I would prefer a serious response. I'm genuinely curious.
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10/25/2016 8:48:11 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/23/2016 11:39:42 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
I find Capitalism to be the natural human state - that of desire, self interest, need for survival and triumph, and most importantly the idea that one is not owed anything from others by the virtue of their existence.

I also find any other state - Socialism, social democracy, etc. to be unnatural.

Thoughts?

What exactly is your definition of natural?
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10/25/2016 8:52:23 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/25/2016 8:40:15 PM, ColeTrain wrote:
At 10/25/2016 8:25:05 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 10/25/2016 4:16:19 PM, ColeTrain wrote:
At 10/25/2016 1:59:30 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 10/25/2016 1:47:46 AM, ColeTrain wrote:
At 10/25/2016 1:46:54 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 10/25/2016 1:23:22 AM, ColeTrain wrote:
At 10/24/2016 12:38:16 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 10/24/2016 12:36:56 AM, Chang29 wrote:
At 10/23/2016 11:39:42 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
I find Capitalism to be the natural human state - that of desire, self interest, need for survival and triumph, and most importantly the idea that one is not owed anything from others by the virtue of their existence.

I also find any other state - Socialism, social democracy, etc. to be unnatural.

Thoughts?

Capitalism is a nothing more than two parties coming together and engaging in an exchange that benefits both parties. Everyone, even in the most suppressive communist dictatorships, will engage in capitalism to fulfill their wants.

Capitalism is substantially more than that, although I agree. Capitalism is free exchange of goods and ideas, unabridged by regulations and it must be backed by property rights. Granted, to have regulations doesn't mean that it isn't Capitalist, just that it's considerably less capitalist than the definition implies.

Are you an advocate for pure capitalism (without regulation) and, specifically, a tax rate of 0%? The obvious follow up, why?

Yes, and yes. Because I like keeping my money.

Could you expound on your advocacy for a 0% tax rate?

I do not want any of my money going to the government

How would military and such things be funded?

The Mexicans will pay for it.

I would prefer a serious response. I'm genuinely curious.

We tell them "pay for our military hombre"
If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand. - Friedman

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. - Friedman

Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist.
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10/25/2016 8:53:21 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/25/2016 8:52:23 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
We tell them "pay for our military hombre"

No, obviously not. Why can't you just answer?
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10/25/2016 8:55:03 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/25/2016 8:53:21 PM, ColeTrain wrote:
At 10/25/2016 8:52:23 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
We tell them "pay for our military hombre"

No, obviously not. Why can't you just answer?

What, I gave you an answer.
If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand. - Friedman

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. - Friedman

Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist.
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10/25/2016 9:06:43 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/25/2016 8:55:03 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 10/25/2016 8:53:21 PM, ColeTrain wrote:
At 10/25/2016 8:52:23 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
We tell them "pay for our military hombre"

No, obviously not. Why can't you just answer?

What, I gave you an answer.

A legitimate, reasonable one.
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"I mean, at this rate, I'd argue for a ham sandwich presidency." -- ResponsiblyIrresponsible
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10/26/2016 8:20:37 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
I agree with you in saying that it may be our most "natural" state. However, in our nature there is also greed and it is also possibility to have the desire to rise by making someone else fall. So although I believe capitalism, done properly, is the best type of system we could have. It will probably never achieve it's true potential as long as we still fall prey to our own selfish-destructive qualities.
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10/28/2016 9:00:03 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/24/2016 1:00:29 AM, Genius_Intellect wrote:
At 10/23/2016 11:39:42 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
I find Capitalism to be the natural human state - that of desire, self interest, need for survival and triumph, and most importantly the idea that one is not owed anything from others by the virtue of their existence.

I also find any other state - Socialism, social democracy, etc. to be unnatural.

Thoughts?

Neither is natural. The only natural human state is tribalism.

Nailed it.
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10/28/2016 9:02:05 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/25/2016 1:46:54 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 10/25/2016 1:23:22 AM, ColeTrain wrote:
At 10/24/2016 12:38:16 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 10/24/2016 12:36:56 AM, Chang29 wrote:
At 10/23/2016 11:39:42 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
I find Capitalism to be the natural human state - that of desire, self interest, need for survival and triumph, and most importantly the idea that one is not owed anything from others by the virtue of their existence.

I also find any other state - Socialism, social democracy, etc. to be unnatural.

Thoughts?

Capitalism is a nothing more than two parties coming together and engaging in an exchange that benefits both parties. Everyone, even in the most suppressive communist dictatorships, will engage in capitalism to fulfill their wants.

Capitalism is substantially more than that, although I agree. Capitalism is free exchange of goods and ideas, unabridged by regulations and it must be backed by property rights. Granted, to have regulations doesn't mean that it isn't Capitalist, just that it's considerably less capitalist than the definition implies.

Are you an advocate for pure capitalism (without regulation) and, specifically, a tax rate of 0%? The obvious follow up, why?

Yes, and yes. Because I like keeping my money.

I enjoy the spending part personally :p
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11/8/2016 8:58:19 PM
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Of course, capitalism is well suited for human beings. But it just works in an economical plane. We cannot expect capitalism to rule all aspects of our lives. So, another systems coexist with capitalism in order to achieve the balance. Otherwise, we would eat each other.

BR