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PervRat
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3/8/2011 3:05:27 PM
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New Hampshire's new Republican state house speaker boasted to tea partiers about his plan to basically eliminate the right of college students to vote by requiring permanent residency vote, which of course is impossible for anyone who moves to attend college. In contradiction to his press releases afterward trying to redress his actions, he very clearly explained in his speech which was recorded on video and uploaded to Youtube that his reason for doing so is to quash college students from voting because they "foolishly" vote liberal.

Whether you consider yourself conservative or liberal, do you really feel your elected leader has any business trying to undermine the electoral process by taking away the right of a group of people -- college students in this case -- to vote because they may vote for your opposition? Is that freedom? Is that democracy? Is that justice?

I am a liberal and damned proud of it. I will likely never run for office, but if I did, there would be no way in good conscience I would ever consider undermining elections by eliminating the right to vote of a group of people who tend to vote differently than I do.

I hope at least some conservatives agree this sort of conspiracy against democracy is not welcome anywhere in the United States.
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3/8/2011 4:36:08 PM
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Any U.S. citizen in America should be allowed to vote in any US election, but if an individual state only wants permanent residents to vote in its own elections, I see no huge problem.
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3/9/2011 10:43:53 PM
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At 3/8/2011 4:36:08 PM, mongeese wrote:
Any U.S. citizen in America should be allowed to vote in any US election, but if an individual state only wants permanent residents to vote in its own elections, I see no huge problem.

You contradict yourself. Anyone who lives in a home or apartment that they rent instead of own, U.S. soldiers stationed abroad, the homeless and college students are U.S. citizens in America who would be prohibited by voting if permanent residency were made a requirement.
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3/9/2011 11:28:25 PM
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At 3/9/2011 10:43:53 PM, PervRat wrote:
At 3/8/2011 4:36:08 PM, mongeese wrote:
Any U.S. citizen in America should be allowed to vote in any US election, but if an individual state only wants permanent residents to vote in its own elections, I see no huge problem.

You contradict yourself. Anyone who lives in a home or apartment that they rent instead of own, U.S. soldiers stationed abroad, the homeless and college students are U.S. citizens in America who would be prohibited by voting if permanent residency were made a requirement.

why on earth would you want a college comprised mostly of a bunch of people from out of state who are there only 4 years to get a degree(temporarily) to have a say in what goes on in the state you live in permanently? If the person lives in state, they likely have a parents address if they want to vote in state, otherwise you can tell that hippie from California to get out of my ballot box and get back in class and get out of my state. Thanks.
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3/10/2011 2:44:27 PM
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Yes I am Conservative, and I agree that is wrong. But the liberals do worse things with the military, I heard they ilegaly prevent them from voting.
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3/10/2011 2:53:55 PM
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At 3/10/2011 2:44:27 PM, phantom wrote:
Yes I am Conservative, and I agree that is wrong. But the liberals do worse things with the military, I heard they illegally prevent them from voting.

You think it is wrong to require residency? How would you feel if some well funded political action committee bussed in thousands of people from one state over and influenced heavily a vote to shut down certain industries just so the state next to you would not have to compete? How would you feel this was in any way shape or form either fair or democratic? Lets say Mississippi has a lot of casinos and there is a law about to be considered in New Orleans to open up more casinos. Do you really think it is fair at all for people in Mississippi to have any say in that decision whatsoever in any form?
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3/10/2011 6:20:41 PM
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At 3/9/2011 11:28:25 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 3/9/2011 10:43:53 PM, PervRat wrote:
At 3/8/2011 4:36:08 PM, mongeese wrote:
Any U.S. citizen in America should be allowed to vote in any US election, but if an individual state only wants permanent residents to vote in its own elections, I see no huge problem.

You contradict yourself. Anyone who lives in a home or apartment that they rent instead of own, U.S. soldiers stationed abroad, the homeless and college students are U.S. citizens in America who would be prohibited by voting if permanent residency were made a requirement.

why on earth would you want a college comprised mostly of a bunch of people from out of state who are there only 4 years to get a degree(temporarily) to have a say in what goes on in the state you live in permanently? If the person lives in state, they likely have a parents address if they want to vote in state, otherwise you can tell that hippie from California to get out of my ballot box and get back in class and get out of my state. Thanks.

You do realize that claiming your parent's address, if you live in on campus, is voter fraud. Right?

If we say, that students can use their parents address (so that those going to school in-state, as most students do) so that they can vote. Then we are allowing those that move out of the state to continue voting in the state that their parents live in, but that they no longer live in.
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3/10/2011 9:32:01 PM
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At 3/10/2011 6:20:41 PM, OreEle wrote:
At 3/9/2011 11:28:25 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 3/9/2011 10:43:53 PM, PervRat wrote:
At 3/8/2011 4:36:08 PM, mongeese wrote:
Any U.S. citizen in America should be allowed to vote in any US election, but if an individual state only wants permanent residents to vote in its own elections, I see no huge problem.

You contradict yourself. Anyone who lives in a home or apartment that they rent instead of own, U.S. soldiers stationed abroad, the homeless and college students are U.S. citizens in America who would be prohibited by voting if permanent residency were made a requirement.

why on earth would you want a college comprised mostly of a bunch of people from out of state who are there only 4 years to get a degree(temporarily) to have a say in what goes on in the state you live in permanently? If the person lives in state, they likely have a parents address if they want to vote in state, otherwise you can tell that hippie from California to get out of my ballot box and get back in class and get out of my state. Thanks.

You do realize that claiming your parent's address, if you live in on campus, is voter fraud. Right?

If we say, that students can use their parents address (so that those going to school in-state, as most students do) so that they can vote. Then we are allowing those that move out of the state to continue voting in the state that their parents live in, but that they no longer live in.

The big issue for state governments is residency intent. If the state feels through surveys and statistics that it is highly unlikely for out of state students to remain in that district for an extended period of time, then the state suffers through misrepresentation of the established residents of that district. Now if a student can make it clear they wish to remain in the district of the school for an indefinite period of time, then of course they should be allowed to vote in State elections.
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3/11/2011 1:18:05 PM
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College student make shitty voters. Lets keep them away from the polls.
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3/11/2011 2:02:59 PM
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At 3/11/2011 1:18:05 PM, Reasoning wrote:
College student make shitty voters. Lets keep them away from the polls.

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3/17/2011 2:34:45 PM
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At 3/8/2011 3:05:27 PM, PervRat wrote:
http://www.washingtonpost.com... -

New Hampshire's new Republican state house speaker boasted to tea partiers about his plan to basically eliminate the right of college students to vote by requiring permanent residency vote, which of course is impossible for anyone who moves to attend college. In contradiction to his press releases afterward trying to redress his actions, he very clearly explained in his speech which was recorded on video and uploaded to Youtube that his reason for doing so is to quash college students from voting because they "foolishly" vote liberal.

Whether you consider yourself conservative or liberal, do you really feel your elected leader has any business trying to undermine the electoral process by taking away the right of a group of people -- college students in this case -- to vote because they may vote for your opposition? Is that freedom? Is that democracy? Is that justice?

I am a liberal and damned proud of it. I will likely never run for office, but if I did, there would be no way in good conscience I would ever consider undermining elections by eliminating the right to vote of a group of people who tend to vote differently than I do.

I hope at least some conservatives agree this sort of conspiracy against democracy is not welcome anywhere in the United States.

Why college students? Why not ban young people who have dropped out of high school from voting? If college students should be banned from voting we might as well be debating whether we should raise the voting age to 25. But then I would also support raising the draft age to 25 also.
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3/17/2011 2:37:10 PM
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to basically eliminate the right of college students to vote
Voting isn't a right, it's a privilege that many people use to violate rights.
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3/20/2011 8:20:54 AM
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At 3/17/2011 2:37:10 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
to basically eliminate the right of college students to vote
Voting isn't a right, it's a privilege that many people use to violate rights.

Voting is a right. All rights are privileges.
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3/20/2011 8:40:23 AM
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At 3/8/2011 3:05:27 PM, PervRat wrote:
http://www.washingtonpost.com... -

New Hampshire's new Republican state house speaker boasted to tea partiers about his plan to basically eliminate the right of college students to vote by requiring permanent residency vote, which of course is impossible for anyone who moves to attend college. In contradiction to his press releases afterward trying to redress his actions, he very clearly explained in his speech which was recorded on video and uploaded to Youtube that his reason for doing so is to quash college students from voting because they "foolishly" vote liberal.

Whether you consider yourself conservative or liberal, do you really feel your elected leader has any business trying to undermine the electoral process by taking away the right of a group of people -- college students in this case -- to vote because they may vote for your opposition? Is that freedom? Is that democracy? Is that justice?

I am a liberal and damned proud of it. I will likely never run for office, but if I did, there would be no way in good conscience I would ever consider undermining elections by eliminating the right to vote of a group of people who tend to vote differently than I do.

I hope at least some conservatives agree this sort of conspiracy against democracy is not welcome anywhere in the United States.

The people that actually live in the state have to deal with the consequences of the elections, and in NH, the towns are very small and can easily be impacted by a small voting bloc. To have a group of unified voters, who pay no real estate tax, and have no vested interest in the fiscal obligations, or future integrity of a town, and yet have power over the resources and legislative composition of a community is understandably intolerable to those who do live in these towns and pay the taxes. Keep in mind, most of NH operates on Town Meetings, where those who show up and can vote control the direction of that town.
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3/20/2011 9:34:46 AM
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I don't have a problem with college kids not being allowed to vote in local elections. Or even state elections. They really aren't permanent residents so why should a huge wave of temporary residents sway local elections? They can obviously still vote in national elections though by voting absentee from their state of origin.
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3/20/2011 9:35:28 AM
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Didn't see innomen's post. Should have just said "this" to him.
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3/20/2011 9:50:42 AM
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I don't really see the problem. The OP mentioned "requiring permanent residency vote, which of course is impossible for anyone who moves to attend college." Well when I went to college in New Brunswick, NJ I wasn't a permanent resident the first 2 years because I lived in the dorms. After that I got my own off campus apartment, so clearly I was a resident. What's the big deal about expecting people to be permanent residents of the places they vote? That sounds standard. My rent helped my landlord pay NB taxes where I lived, so of course I should be able to have a say in my community. Otherwise...?
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3/20/2011 11:09:57 AM
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At 3/20/2011 9:50:42 AM, Danielle wrote:
I don't really see the problem. The OP mentioned "requiring permanent residency vote, which of course is impossible for anyone who moves to attend college." Well when I went to college in New Brunswick, NJ I wasn't a permanent resident the first 2 years because I lived in the dorms. After that I got my own off campus apartment, so clearly I was a resident. What's the big deal about expecting people to be permanent residents of the places they vote? That sounds standard. My rent helped my landlord pay NB taxes where I lived, so of course I should be able to have a say in my community. Otherwise...?

I agree, also keep in mind there are pretty much no other taxes in NH but property taxes, so they have no vested interest, nor the state an obligation.
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3/20/2011 8:06:21 PM
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At 3/20/2011 8:20:54 AM, Danielle wrote:

Voting is a right. All rights are privileges.

If you can exclude any person from a right for any reason, it becomes a privilege.
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3/29/2011 1:51:07 PM
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This is why they have absentee voting procedures. You vote in the district where you are registered. I served in the Army for over 20 years and never missed an election.

If a particular party is getting it handed to them in the polls, maybe they should produce better candidates or hit the campaign trail a little harder rather than whining about what amounts to a stacked quasi gerrymander. FWIW, the other parties in the district that lost the college kids should have reason to celebrate with less competition.

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3/31/2011 11:04:12 PM
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There are odd rules for voting residency. The Courts ruled that Rohm Emanuel was a legal resident of Chicago and eligible to run for mayor, even though he hadn't lived there for years. US Presidents sometimes maintain legal residence in a hotel in their home state.

My understanding is that college students remain legal residents at their home address and are eligible for absentee ballots. That makes more sense than voting in the state where they attend school.
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4/1/2011 10:58:41 AM
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This is clearly unconstitutional and I sincerily hope that it passes.

The constitution clearly states that ALL citizens 18 years or older have the right to vote.
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4/4/2011 4:05:33 AM
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At 4/1/2011 10:58:41 AM, kohai wrote:
This is clearly unconstitutional and I sincerily hope that it passes.

The constitution clearly states that ALL citizens 18 years or older have the right to vote.

States have a right to exclude out of state residents from state elections. Period.