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Ren
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12/29/2011 4:46:48 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
1. Should music and other forms of art be required learning until and through secondary school? Why/" not?

2. Should math and science pedagogy reach higher levels through secondary school, and adhere to more rigorous standards? Why/" not?
Lordknukle
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12/29/2011 6:27:41 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/29/2011 4:46:48 PM, Ren wrote:
1. Should music and other forms of art be required learning until and through secondary school? Why/" not?

2. Should math and science pedagogy reach higher levels through secondary school, and adhere to more rigorous standards? Why/" not?

1. Music, as a study is not essential to future life.

2. Math and Science are essential to almost every single educated job so, yes.
"Easy is the descent to Avernus, for the door to the Underworld lies upon both day and night. But to retrace your steps and return to the breezes above- that's the task, that's the toil."
tornshoe92
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12/30/2011 12:13:33 AM
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At 12/29/2011 6:27:41 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 12/29/2011 4:46:48 PM, Ren wrote:
1. Should music and other forms of art be required learning until and through secondary school? Why/" not?

2. Should math and science pedagogy reach higher levels through secondary school, and adhere to more rigorous standards? Why/" not?

1. Music, as a study is not essential to future life.

2. Math and Science are essential to almost every single educated job so, yes.

Most of what I learned in high school is not essential to future life or even to any job I will ever hold. Even english classes become artsy and not essential once you hit high school. I have yet to have to use anything that I learned in my english, math, or science classes since high school. Elective courses being made mandatory is useful for people who don't really have a drive in life towards one career type yet. I didn't even choose to be a music major until my senior year of high school and I never would have if I wasn't required to do music.
"Next time I see a little old lady going to church I am going kick her in the ovaries because she is personally responsible for this. Thanks Izbo." -C_N
Ren
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1/1/2012 2:43:20 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/29/2011 6:27:41 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 12/29/2011 4:46:48 PM, Ren wrote:
1. Should music and other forms of art be required learning until and through secondary school? Why/" not?

2. Should math and science pedagogy reach higher levels through secondary school, and adhere to more rigorous standards? Why/" not?

1. Music, as a study is not essential to future life.

2. Math and Science are essential to almost every single educated job so, yes.

Are you suggesting that math and science is more essential to future life than music? How?
vmpire321
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1/1/2012 11:46:22 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/1/2012 2:43:20 AM, Ren wrote:
At 12/29/2011 6:27:41 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 12/29/2011 4:46:48 PM, Ren wrote:
1. Should music and other forms of art be required learning until and through secondary school? Why/" not?

2. Should math and science pedagogy reach higher levels through secondary school, and adhere to more rigorous standards? Why/" not?

1. Music, as a study is not essential to future life.

2. Math and Science are essential to almost every single educated job so, yes.

Are you suggesting that math and science is more essential to future life than music? How?

Math and science lead to better jobs.
tornshoe92
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1/2/2012 1:31:32 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/1/2012 11:46:22 AM, vmpire321 wrote:
At 1/1/2012 2:43:20 AM, Ren wrote:
At 12/29/2011 6:27:41 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 12/29/2011 4:46:48 PM, Ren wrote:
1. Should music and other forms of art be required learning until and through secondary school? Why/" not?

2. Should math and science pedagogy reach higher levels through secondary school, and adhere to more rigorous standards? Why/" not?

1. Music, as a study is not essential to future life.

2. Math and Science are essential to almost every single educated job so, yes.

Are you suggesting that math and science is more essential to future life than music? How?

Math and science lead to better jobs.

Better in this case is entirely subjective. Do you want a job that pays more? If so, then yeah, math and science will probably play some role in your career. There are however lots of jobs that provide more than decent pay and require almost no form of math or science from middle school onward.
"Next time I see a little old lady going to church I am going kick her in the ovaries because she is personally responsible for this. Thanks Izbo." -C_N
Ren
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1/2/2012 5:53:42 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/1/2012 11:46:22 AM, vmpire321 wrote:
At 1/1/2012 2:43:20 AM, Ren wrote:
At 12/29/2011 6:27:41 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 12/29/2011 4:46:48 PM, Ren wrote:
1. Should music and other forms of art be required learning until and through secondary school? Why/" not?

2. Should math and science pedagogy reach higher levels through secondary school, and adhere to more rigorous standards? Why/" not?

1. Music, as a study is not essential to future life.

2. Math and Science are essential to almost every single educated job so, yes.

Are you suggesting that math and science is more essential to future life than music? How?

Math and science lead to better jobs.

Artists and musicians are among the best paid professionals in the world.
tornshoe92
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1/2/2012 11:16:25 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/2/2012 5:53:42 AM, Ren wrote:
At 1/1/2012 11:46:22 AM, vmpire321 wrote:
At 1/1/2012 2:43:20 AM, Ren wrote:
At 12/29/2011 6:27:41 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 12/29/2011 4:46:48 PM, Ren wrote:
1. Should music and other forms of art be required learning until and through secondary school? Why/" not?

2. Should math and science pedagogy reach higher levels through secondary school, and adhere to more rigorous standards? Why/" not?

1. Music, as a study is not essential to future life.

2. Math and Science are essential to almost every single educated job so, yes.

Are you suggesting that math and science is more essential to future life than music? How?

Math and science lead to better jobs.

Artists and musicians are among the best paid professionals in the world.

0.5% of musicians and artists are among the best paid professionals in the world. The rest of us have day jobs.
"Next time I see a little old lady going to church I am going kick her in the ovaries because she is personally responsible for this. Thanks Izbo." -C_N
ConservativePolitico
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1/2/2012 11:29:31 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/29/2011 4:46:48 PM, Ren wrote:
1. Should music and other forms of art be required learning until and through secondary school? Why/" not?

2. Should math and science pedagogy reach higher levels through secondary school, and adhere to more rigorous standards? Why/" not?

Both should be taught and explored throughout school due to exposure to new ideas and new ways of thinking.

Music and art get people to think a certain way.
As does math and science.

What I've learned throughout my 12 years in public school is that its not about the information you gain but learning how to interperate, defend and understand new ideas. If you don't present new ideas (i.e math, art) people will never learn how to develope these skills.