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dogparktom
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10/11/2009 7:32:05 AM
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Should debate be a required high school course (required of all students to graduate)? http://www.debate.org...

Assuming that it is not in the public high schools of the U.S., WHY IS IT NOT a required course?

What reasons can you think of why IT IS NOW NOT a required course?
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10/11/2009 7:38:55 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
Why should it be required?

- Increased voter turnout
- Better informed public on political issues

Why it shouldn't?

- A student shouldn't be required to do anything
- Debates require well formed arguments, and thus, can occupy alot of a students time
- Intensive debating studying means we must debating in a test tube and teach it as a theory.
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10/11/2009 5:09:05 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 10/11/2009 7:38:55 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
Why should it be required?

- Increased voter turnout
- Better informed public on political issues

Why it shouldn't?

- A student shouldn't be required to do anything
- Debates require well formed arguments, and thus, can occupy alot of a students time
- Intensive debating studying means we must debating in a test tube and teach it as a theory.

You'd make all course voluntary?
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10/11/2009 8:12:29 PM
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You'd make all course voluntary?
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10/11/2009 8:22:40 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 10/11/2009 7:38:55 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
- Intensive debating studying means we must debating in a test tube and teach it as a theory.

What?
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Danielle
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10/13/2009 8:15:33 AM
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At 10/11/2009 7:38:55 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
Why should it be required?

- Increased voter turnout
- Better informed public on political issues

Why it shouldn't?

- A student shouldn't be required to do anything
- Debates require well formed arguments, and thus, can occupy alot of a students time
- Intensive debating studying means we must debating in a test tube and teach it as a theory.

I agree that debate shouldn't be mandatory; however, I'd debate you on this if you'd like.
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10/13/2009 9:57:09 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 10/11/2009 7:32:05 AM, dogparktom wrote:
Should debate be a required high school course (required of all students to graduate)? http://www.debate.org...

Assuming that it is not in the public high schools of the U.S., WHY IS IT NOT a required course?

What reasons can you think of why IT IS NOW NOT a required course?

They can't manage reading and math.
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10/13/2009 11:16:52 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 10/11/2009 5:09:05 PM, Maikuru wrote:
At 10/11/2009 7:38:55 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
Why should it be required?

- Increased voter turnout
- Better informed public on political issues

Why it shouldn't?

- A student shouldn't be required to do anything
- Debates require well formed arguments, and thus, can occupy alot of a students time
- Intensive debating studying means we must debating in a test tube and teach it as a theory.

You'd make all course voluntary?

Yes, when you reach a certain age, probably 16. Let's face it, High School is just what you want to do in college and subsequently your livelihood. I don't want to study anything for the common good.
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10/13/2009 12:09:49 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 10/13/2009 8:15:33 AM, theLwerd wrote:
At 10/11/2009 7:38:55 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
Why should it be required?

- Increased voter turnout
- Better informed public on political issues

Why it shouldn't?

- A student shouldn't be required to do anything
- Debates require well formed arguments, and thus, can occupy alot of a students time
- Intensive debating studying means we must debating in a test tube and teach it as a theory.

I agree that debate shouldn't be mandatory; however, I'd debate you on this if you'd like.

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10/14/2009 5:29:27 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
I suspect that a course in debate is offered in only a few public high schools in the U.S. What I want to know is why is this the case? My question has been put to the curriculum people in Minnesota in the following email:

"I have just sent this email to the Minnesota Commissioner of Education:

Dear Commissioner Seagren:

I'm writing to inquire about the incidence of courses in debate in the Minnesota public schools and whether such courses are required courses or elective courses.

I'm a retired lawyer currently in a debate with a charming college professor and brand-new lawyer (who learned yesterday that she passed the Pennsylvania bar examination). http://www.debate.org...... The issue is whether debate should be a required course in high school?

She argues that debate should be a required course in all high schools (all students would have to pass the course as a requirement for graduation). I argue that debate should just be an elective course in all high schools.

We will be very grateful for your prompt and informative response.

Sincerely,
Thomas J. Bieter
St. Paul, Minnesota"

I think that such a course should be offered as an elective to high school seniors.

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At 10/11/2009 7:32:05 AM, dogparktom wrote:
Should debate be a required high school course (required of all students to graduate)? http://www.debate.org...

Assuming that it is not in the public high schools of the U.S., WHY IS IT NOT a required course?

What reasons can you think of why IT IS NOW NOT a required course?
dogparktom
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10/15/2009 2:45:09 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
Here is the response to my email inquiry to the Minnesota Commissioner of Education:

Dear Mr. Bieter:

Thank you for your question about debate in Minnesota schools.

The Minnesota Department of Education does not track which schools in our state teach debate. It is an elective course in many schools, and I don't know of any school that requires a debate course for graduation.

Debate is typically an extracurricular activity that is governed by the Minnesota High School League. See http://www.mshsl.org...... for information about the Debate competitions available to schools that are in the MN H.S. League. Additional information may be found on the MN Debate Teachers Association website at http://www.mdta.org......

We do have academic standards related to Speaking and Listening but not debate, specifically. Schools are required to teach and assess those standards, which are a part of the Language Arts Standards. http://education.state.mn.us......

Respectfully,

Ken Kaffine
Minnesota Department of Education
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10/20/2009 6:22:32 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 10/13/2009 9:57:09 AM, simpleton wrote:
At 10/11/2009 7:32:05 AM, dogparktom wrote:
Should debate be a required high school course (required of all students to graduate)? http://www.debate.org...

Assuming that it is not in the public high schools of the U.S., WHY IS IT NOT a required course?

What reasons can you think of why IT IS NOW NOT a required course?

They can't manage reading and math.

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Maybe add it as a requirement for Distinguished Grad?
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