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It's the truth- Schooling =/= Education

errya
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1/31/2013 1:11:56 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
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Polaris
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2/1/2013 2:10:42 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/31/2013 1:11:56 AM, errya wrote:
http://www.youtube.com...

MY CRITICISMS:

Listing public figures that became successful without tertiary education isn't "looking at the statistics" in the slightest, it's cherry-picking the exceptions to assert a general rule. The statistics that have been gathered by the Bureau of Labor Statistics show a positive correlation between median income and educational achievement and an inverse correlation between education and unemployment. Prevailing economic conditions depending, it may not always be worthwhile to seek a degree from a college or university, if higher income is the desired goal but for the most part usually it is. Even if we consider the flaws in the educational system in general though some higher education is still better than no education.

The speaker in the video even acknowledges that there is something to be gained from higher education, but students need to understand their motives and asses their aims. The point seems to be that college and university aren't the only means of becoming educated, but they are still a means in that regard, and shouldn't be used as the only measure of success. A point with which I don't disagree.
darkkermit
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2/1/2013 2:20:30 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Let's look at the statistics:

Provides anecdotal.

Also the people he mentioned went to ivy league colleges, they just didn't finish. The connections they made there were themselves valuable.
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ZakYoungTheLibertarian
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2/6/2013 5:38:32 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Argumentum ad youtube? Oh my. It is my contention that the purpose of the primary and secondary school system is not to unleash the creative capacity inherent in each child or to teach critical thinking skills, but rather to promote obedience towards authority. Either wittingly or unwittingly the school system destroys the innate love for learning from so many children. What we need is the innovation and competition that a free market in education would provide. The outdated government monopoly on education has got to go!
Wallstreetatheist
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2/6/2013 10:25:46 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
1. Learn critical reasoning: http://www.philosophy.ox.ac.uk...
2. Apply to video
3. Conclude that the video is largely comprised of unsound arguments
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Polaris
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2/7/2013 3:44:33 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/6/2013 5:38:32 AM, ZakYoungTheLibertarian wrote:
Argumentum ad youtube? Oh my. It is my contention that the purpose of the primary and secondary school system is not to unleash the creative capacity inherent in each child or to teach critical thinking skills, but rather to promote obedience towards authority. Either wittingly or unwittingly the school system destroys the innate love for learning from so many children. What we need is the innovation and competition that a free market in education would provide. The outdated government monopoly on education has got to go!

What sort of Free-market education do you propose that is not already being utilized by the American Educational system?