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Maikuru
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12/9/2009 6:58:32 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
It would take days to load that with my dial-up. Could I get a quick summary?
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GodSands
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12/9/2009 7:10:51 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
: At 12/9/2009 6:58:32 PM, Maikuru wrote:
It would take days to load that with my dial-up. Could I get a quick summary?

Yeah sure. Paul Washer speaks about the true meaning of the cross, that being the wrath of God upon him, not the nails and the wips and the crown of thorns. Paul puts out the question, 'How can God forgive a sinner and still remain just?'. God does this by becoming a man, living a perfect life, God was pleased with Christ, and God killed Jesus. Paul then speaks about Jesus not trembling over the nails going into his wreists and feet but of the wrath of God. Jesus was never separated from God, God cruched His son.

You are heard it before, so that we may have life.

Questions?
wjmelements
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12/11/2009 6:52:17 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/9/2009 7:10:51 PM, GodSands wrote:
Questions?

Sure. Where in the bible does it say that we will go to heaven?
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mongeese
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12/11/2009 6:58:09 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/11/2009 6:52:17 PM, wjmelements wrote:
At 12/9/2009 7:10:51 PM, GodSands wrote:
Questions?

Sure. Where in the bible does it say that we will go to heaven?

http://en.wikipedia.org...

That gives a pretty good list of verses to check.
wjmelements
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12/11/2009 7:00:33 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/11/2009 6:58:09 PM, mongeese wrote:
At 12/11/2009 6:52:17 PM, wjmelements wrote:
At 12/9/2009 7:10:51 PM, GodSands wrote:
Questions?

Sure. Where in the bible does it say that we will go to heaven?

http://en.wikipedia.org...

That gives a pretty good list of verses to check.

They talk of the New Earth, not heaven.
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mongeese
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12/11/2009 7:02:12 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/11/2009 7:00:33 PM, wjmelements wrote:
At 12/11/2009 6:58:09 PM, mongeese wrote:
At 12/11/2009 6:52:17 PM, wjmelements wrote:
At 12/9/2009 7:10:51 PM, GodSands wrote:
Questions?

Sure. Where in the bible does it say that we will go to heaven?

http://en.wikipedia.org...

That gives a pretty good list of verses to check.

They talk of the New Earth, not heaven.

New Earth, Heaven, it's just semantics. They essentially mean the same thing: eternal life of peace.
wjmelements
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12/11/2009 7:04:31 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/11/2009 7:02:12 PM, mongeese wrote:
At 12/11/2009 7:00:33 PM, wjmelements wrote:
At 12/11/2009 6:58:09 PM, mongeese wrote:
At 12/11/2009 6:52:17 PM, wjmelements wrote:
At 12/9/2009 7:10:51 PM, GodSands wrote:
Questions?

Sure. Where in the bible does it say that we will go to heaven?

http://en.wikipedia.org...

That gives a pretty good list of verses to check.

They talk of the New Earth, not heaven.

New Earth, Heaven, it's just semantics. They essentially mean the same thing: eternal life of peace.

Sure, but they are two different things. Heaven was created in Genesis. New Earth was created in Revelation.
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mongeese
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12/11/2009 7:07:40 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/11/2009 7:04:31 PM, wjmelements wrote:
At 12/11/2009 7:02:12 PM, mongeese wrote:
At 12/11/2009 7:00:33 PM, wjmelements wrote:
At 12/11/2009 6:58:09 PM, mongeese wrote:
At 12/11/2009 6:52:17 PM, wjmelements wrote:
At 12/9/2009 7:10:51 PM, GodSands wrote:
Questions?

Sure. Where in the bible does it say that we will go to heaven?

http://en.wikipedia.org...

That gives a pretty good list of verses to check.

They talk of the New Earth, not heaven.

New Earth, Heaven, it's just semantics. They essentially mean the same thing: eternal life of peace.

Sure, but they are two different things. Heaven was created in Genesis. New Earth was created in Revelation.

How can something be created in a book?

Perhaps New Earth is the human portion of Heaven. I don't really know.
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12/11/2009 7:13:47 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/11/2009 7:07:40 PM, mongeese wrote:
How can something be created in a book?
The time period of the book. Genesis is BC. Revelation has not occured yet.
Perhaps New Earth is the human portion of Heaven. I don't really know.
Not at all. They are separate. As I understand it though, God will come to New Earth to reign, but this does not make it Heaven.
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Xer
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12/11/2009 7:18:49 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/11/2009 6:52:17 PM, wjmelements wrote:
Sure. Where in the bible does it say that we will go to heaven?

SPOILER: Heaven isn't real.
TheSkeptic
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12/11/2009 7:35:58 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/11/2009 7:13:47 PM, wjmelements wrote:
At 12/11/2009 7:07:40 PM, mongeese wrote:
How can something be created in a book?
The time period of the book. Genesis is BC. Revelation has not occured yet.
Perhaps New Earth is the human portion of Heaven. I don't really know.
Not at all. They are separate. As I understand it though, God will come to New Earth to reign, but this does not make it Heaven.

Yeah, from what I can recall in my ex-Christian years, it was supposed to be that we all live in New Earth for a millennium or two? Then go to heaven (shrug). I don't know.
Reasoning
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12/11/2009 7:36:58 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/11/2009 7:18:49 PM, Nags wrote:
At 12/11/2009 6:52:17 PM, wjmelements wrote:
Sure. Where in the bible does it say that we will go to heaven?

SPOILER: Heaven isn't real.

You had to ruin the ending didn't you. :P
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12/12/2009 6:00:58 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/9/2009 7:10:51 PM, GodSands wrote:
: At 12/9/2009 6:58:32 PM, Maikuru wrote:
It would take days to load that with my dial-up. Could I get a quick summary?

Yeah sure. Paul Washer speaks about the true meaning of the cross, that being the wrath of God upon him, not the nails and the wips and the crown of thorns. Paul puts out the question, 'How can God forgive a sinner and still remain just?'. God does this by becoming a man, living a perfect life, God was pleased with Christ, and God killed Jesus. Paul then speaks about Jesus not trembling over the nails going into his wreists and feet but of the wrath of God. Jesus was never separated from God, God cruched His son.


All presupposing Jesus wasn't a nut-job.
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GodSands
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12/12/2009 7:11:03 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
: At 12/11/2009 7:18:49 PM, Nags wrote:
At 12/11/2009 6:52:17 PM, wjmelements wrote:
Sure. Where in the bible does it say that we will go to heaven?

SPOILER: Heaven isn't real.


Heaven means sky in aramaic, the language Jesus spoke. There will be a new heaven and a new earth. The third heaven where there is no sin will come to earth.