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Is this what education is really about?!

CanWeKnow
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12/18/2013 1:43:22 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Ok. It's been a while since I have been on DDO, but I need to rant for a minute.

As a Senior, I have become well versed in the methods needed to survive Public High School. Year after year, one common denominator in education has stood out to me the most.
FORM.
For as long as I can remember I have hated school. I hate it because I am always being told how to learn, rather than being guided what to learn.

Math teachers deduct points from my homework for not showing work that I did in my head.
Science teachers penalize me for not completing study guides.
English teachers drop my grade for not following along in the book.
Social Studies teachers are irate when they see that I didn't write down the notes the way they presented them.

Why are they punishing me for reading at a faster pace than everyone else? Why are they punishing me for understanding and remembering a concept the first time they taught it? Why are they punishing me for being efficient?

Why?!

Never mind that I ace every single test and quiz they throw at me. Forget that, unlike other students, my questions won't involve the teacher repeating something they just said. Who cares if I have an intelligent answer that was well thought out?

No, no, no. Just give me a B because I didn't make the flashcards I don't need for studying. Deduct those points because I didn't fill out any of the answers on the study guide for the test I don't need to study for. Write my parents a strongly worded letter admonishing my failure to follow along in the book and pause for every student that doesn't know how to pronounce the silent "k" in knave.

I just need to know. Is this what I am going to be looking at for the next four to six years of my life? Is college going to be filled with more busy work? Enlighten me, please. I might reconsider living off of welfare instead of being a contributing member of society.
nummi
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12/18/2013 6:00:11 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/18/2013 1:43:22 PM, CanWeKnow wrote:
For as long as I can remember I have hated school. I hate it because I am always being told how to learn, rather than being guided what to learn.

Math teachers deduct points from my homework for not showing work that I did in my head.
Science teachers penalize me for not completing study guides.
English teachers drop my grade for not following along in the book.
Social Studies teachers are irate when they see that I didn't write down the notes the way they presented them.
Why are they punishing me for reading at a faster pace than everyone else? Why are they punishing me for understanding and remembering a concept the first time they taught it? Why are they punishing me for being efficient?

Why?!
The point of all that idiocy is to produce people who follow rules (laws) without questioning any of it.
In school you are told to do things, what and how. If you use your own mind and do them your way then you are punished with negative criticism and bad grades, because they're not done as they were told to be done, doesn't matter whether done even better than told or not. This insinuates servility (a slave's mentality without a dream of freedom). Basically the point is to end up with a "product", a tool, that is to be used by the rulers however they deem fit. It's this way pretty much everywhere on our little planet.

I remember the same from my school days. And I am the kind who has to be allowed to do things my way, otherwise I don't do shjt, and if I do something under those circumstances then it's as good as sjit - something I did not know then.

If you had a working mind, one that sees the world the way it really is then you would see what needs be done to fix it all. Now imagine most people being like that - our world would get fixed quickly. The self-assigned rulers (however far that corruption goes) are aware of that and so they have put into place a preventive measure, consisting of many factors (many lies). The kind that doesn't require much maintenance - the people themselves are subject to it and teach themselves to follow it all, its an endless cycle, but far from a perfect one, as there are those who notice problems, flaws, that things are not right. Sounds like a conspiracy theory... yet if you can look objectively at our world then everything does indicate something like this, unfortunately.
We are raised in lies, some fortunate ones can see through it, and break free but unfortunately not physically.

Never mind that I ace every single test and quiz they throw at me. Forget that, unlike other students, my questions won't involve the teacher repeating something they just said. Who cares if I have an intelligent answer that was well thought out?

No, no, no. Just give me a B because I didn't make the flashcards I don't need for studying. Deduct those points because I didn't fill out any of the answers on the study guide for the test I don't need to study for. Write my parents a strongly worded letter admonishing my failure to follow along in the book and pause for every student that doesn't know how to pronounce the silent "k" in knave.
My suggestion is to be who you are, don't listen to people with very narrow minds stuck in rules and laws, and formality. If you have questions, voice them out, if you have something to say, say it. Be who you are.
School is overrated, all forms. You don't need it. I know, I've been there, did next to nothing good for me, a waste of years. I was forced to do things I did not like nor wanted, resulting in bad grades, negative criticism, those resulted me thinking why and worrying over the grades, and for what? All the while I learned nothing about myself, what suits me. I began truly learning when all the school mess was behind me, done with.

If you want to learn something, and you are interested and like it, then you can do it on your own, independently. Finding material is easy, very easy. On top of that, in any school, the studies of what you are interested in are accompanied by subjects and texts that are and always will be totally worthless in every way.
(For example, a person goes to university, wants to learn chemistry. The subject includes all the mathematical knowledge needed in the particular field, and then on top of that you are forced to take extra maths courses. For fvck's sake, why?? You already get all the knowledge you need from chemistry courses! And if you don't take those extra maths courses they'll throw you out. This is from personal experience. Officially I was thrown out, without a doubt, but in truth stopped attending two months after going to university. Had enough of others telling me what to do, for twelve fvcking years.)

First step is to figure out what you want to do with your life. Primary would be the job of your life, or jobs. To find that out is to ask yourself simple questions and look at and in yourself for answers. What do you like? What are you good at? There's also a problem with those questions - perhaps you haven't yet found neither.
There might have been some moments when you did something, whether an assignment or anything that you liked and that came out extremely well, but only for very short period, and then was forgot about.
Or there's some quality you have, one that can easily be directed into a certain field, making you, potentially, an expert in that field.

The earlier on you figure out what you want to do with your life, who you want to be, the easier it is to figure out (plan) the steps to take next, what needs be done to get there. I'd advise to think over the steps without including college/universities, or any schools for that matter, and see how it would end up "on paper" that way. If schools are necessary, for some reason, then to investigate further possibilities, the goal being to waste as little of your life on worthless matters as possible.

I just need to know. Is this what I am going to be looking at for the next four to six years of my life?
In school, yes. But say your mind, criticize and object and oppose if you know you are right, and don't give up. There's a much higher chance of you being right than those who oppose you, in case the opposition has more people, especially "normal" people, in its midst.
Or leave school. If I knew back then what I know now...
Is college going to be filled with more busy work? Enlighten me, please. I might reconsider living off of welfare instead of being a contributing member of society.
Lots of useless busy work, the mind-numbing kind.

One thing that should always help figure out life is to just take a year or two off of everything strenuous. To just live freely, perhaps try some jobs, even the simplest ones that require no actual studying. That year or years should be as stressless as possible, stress is no good thing.
After leaving university I had that kind of time, didn't plan it, just happened. Helped a lot.
CanWeKnow
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12/19/2013 12:48:54 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Bleh. I have already applied at some of the top Engineering schools in the US for Computer Engineering. It's what I am most interested in and have the most experience with.

I really do love learning, it's just so hard to enjoy it at school. Give me some books, some paper, a good pen, and some food and I will devour information. Put me in a small and constricted desk with 32 other kids and my will to learn disappears.

I have spoken to my teachers throughout the years and protested the (inhumane) use of busywork. Time after time I have been told to "just do the work, it isn't that hard" or "Well, so-and-so did it just fine, why can't you?". No matter how hard I try to communicate, my words are swatted away like flies on a blistering summer day. I always get the same broken record type answers, no matter what type of questions I ask.

Lately, I have just stopped going to school the full five days a week. I will show up for test days and the occasional lesson, but I can skip lots of days and still maintain an A. This, in and of itself, is a gross demonstration of how inefficient the public education system in my state is. The bad part is, the school district doesn't receive funding for students who don't attend at least 90% of the semester. They have a convenient policy that allows them to drop my credit (basically fail me) after 10 absences in a semester. The evil part of me wants to rack up as many absences as possible while still keeping an A just to see what will happen, but the rational part of me just wants to graduate and get the heck out of high school.
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12/19/2013 1:42:25 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
There are many problems in education, though I don't experience quite the same disenchantment with form that you do; that could be different educational systems speaking though.

There will (or should) come a point where you simply can't 'get the answer' . There's a course in NSW called "mathematics extension 2" . Getting 60% in the HSC (the big exam if you will) is often a top band performance, like getting an A. Have a look if you wish, http://www.boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au... . The point is that form shows an understanding. Think of computer programming. You don't have to be brilliant at calculation to write out a program which does the calculations for you.

I have a friend who often just misses out on representing Australia internationally at informatics or programming competitions. But if he doesn't study for the course mentioned above he does above average, but not anywhere near perfect.

I have found that year 11 and 12 bring greater freedom. My current maths teacher just does worked examples all class and says 'you're senior students. It's up to you to do your homework. I don't care if you do it or not.' And, because there is a lot to do to simply cover all the course content and become proficient at it (that is, try and get 100% for those who wish to get into law) , busy work begins to disappear. Busy work exists when there is a dearth of actual work to do. The amount of actual work increases as you go up the ladder.

None of this is to excuse the faults of the education system. But you do come around to a grudging acceptance. Form good relationships with teachers, take what you can from the work. You'd be amazed how much they know, and how much they are distilling what they know into simple ideas. Try reading 10 university textbooks and specialist books to understand the historiography of a given area (what I'm doing for a project) . Compare that to your teacher's words.

Seize what you can.
"Tis not in mortals to command success
But we"ll do more, Sempronius, we"ll deserve it
CanWeKnow
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12/19/2013 2:43:35 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
You are right, it has gotten better as I moved up the grades. My best teachers have always been the laissez-faire type. None of them ever forced a student to do work. Which, in my mind, is the only way to teach effectively since kids who don't want to learn aren't going to learn. Why waste the time?

"Pragmatic solutions or death." - CanWeKnow

I just finished taking my 1st Semester Finals about two hours ago. I'm not surprised to find that the classes in which I spent the least amount of time doing busy work have the highest test scores.

Economics: 98%(Essay)
97%(Multiple Choice) (District AVG 68%)

English: 103% (Essay)
97%(Multiple Choice) (District AVG 48%)

Pre-Calculus: 90% (O.K. being honest, I should have studied a little more for this one. Math is one of those subjects where you just have to do the grunt work sometimes.)(District AVG 72%)

Ecology &
Env. Science: 87%(Multiple Choice)

I skimmed through my Economics textbook and praised the Course Placement Gods for giving me a teacher who is so very good at summarizing it in a neat and sometimes entertaining way. The textbook is all over the place. As far as workload, this class had the ideal amount.

My English teacher is great. Again, workload in this class is ideal. Usually never any homework besides weekly vocabulary worksheets. I get these done in class and don't mind them since they are usually fun words, like fatuous.

Ecology & Environmental Science is the worst. I spend anywhere from 3-4 hours a week doing homework for this class. (Okay I realize that might not be a lot, but it's the type of work that kills me) It's mostly fatuous activities like making flashcards that include pictures. -_- Give me a break. The hardest part about this class is just the sheer amount of notes and terms that my teacher forces me to take because they are graded. Going over just two terms can take a good thirty minutes. As far as actual labs, we take 35 minutes going over what we are supposed to be doing and why we are doing it and then 10 minutes actually doing it. This teacher spends way too much time trying to make sure that everyone fully understands arbitrary details. Thankfully, it's over with. I only needed one semester so that I could graduate. The school refused to let me take Physics since I didn't take Chemistry (another long story about inefficiency and being fed up with it). I am taking Physics online and will have those credits added onto my transcript. Silly that I couldn't just take the course at my regular school huh?

I have noticed that the Science department at my school is just really bad. I could never figure out how they managed to make THE MOST interesting subject into the worst part of my day. I have never taken a Science class I enjoyed. It's always the notes. They are very picky about how I take my notes, what notes to write down, what pictures to draw, what colors to label things with, etc. It takes so much time. The study guides too. They must be filled out completely or it means a huge deduction (sometimes it has been worth more points than the actual test).

I love Science in general though, and am actually enjoying my Physics class. I get the information, get to practice a little, and then test. So efficient!
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12/22/2013 12:48:14 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
It's fairly common for high school students to have courses that are not challenging enough to be really interesting. Go to a good engineering school and I guarantee that problem will be completely solved. If you are getting 97% on exams in college, take more advanced courses or switch schools. In my class at M.I.T. (back in the Middle Ages) there was a kid who flunked out, went to another engineering school and got A's, then came back to M.I.T. and flunked out again. You have choices.

So pick a good school and there won't be pointless dog work. However, the bad news is that the rest of your life will be plagued by pointless garbage: endless government forms, employee evaluations, and forms to apply for anything. The trick is to not fight it on the grounds that it is stupid; that gets you identified as a useless troublemaker. Instead, learn to do it with lightning speed. The people who demand filled-out forms really don't care what you've written. They care that you've filled out the form.

Don't lie if there is a felony involved, but otherwise fill out forms to the best of your knowledge without worrying about getting perfect data. California wants to know the exact date upon which you bought the four year old car you're bringing into the state. So fill in a date. Government forms often pose incomprehensible questions. Guess what they are asking for and write it down. If you guess wrong and they care, they'll get back to you. Don't tell them they are stupid. Smile and press on.
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12/22/2013 1:48:02 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/22/2013 12:48:14 AM, RoyLatham wrote:
It's fairly common for high school students to have courses that are not challenging enough to be really interesting. Go to a good engineering school and I guarantee that problem will be completely solved. If you are getting 97% on exams in college, take more advanced courses or switch schools. In my class at M.I.T. (back in the Middle Ages) there was a kid who flunked out, went to another engineering school and got A's, then came back to M.I.T. and flunked out again. You have choices.

So pick a good school and there won't be pointless dog work. However, the bad news is that the rest of your life will be plagued by pointless garbage: endless government forms, employee evaluations, and forms to apply for anything. The trick is to not fight it on the grounds that it is stupid; that gets you identified as a useless troublemaker. Instead, learn to do it with lightning speed. The people who demand filled-out forms really don't care what you've written. They care that you've filled out the form.

Don't lie if there is a felony involved, but otherwise fill out forms to the best of your knowledge without worrying about getting perfect data. California wants to know the exact date upon which you bought the four year old car you're bringing into the state. So fill in a date. Government forms often pose incomprehensible questions. Guess what they are asking for and write it down. If you guess wrong and they care, they'll get back to you. Don't tell them they are stupid. Smile and press on.

Bleh! I know you are right. My character just refuses to accept it. ^_^ One day, I shall become Supreme Ruler & Divine Commander and my first act will be to remove all things complicated and replace them with simple solutions!

It's funny that you mentioned California. I applied to UC Berkeley. XD My credentials are at the minimum for people who actually got accepted. I'm still hoping to see a nice letter in the mail in March though.
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12/22/2013 8:36:58 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/22/2013 1:48:02 AM, CanWeKnow wrote:
It's funny that you mentioned California. I applied to UC Berkeley. XD My credentials are at the minimum for people who actually got accepted. I'm still hoping to see a nice letter in the mail in March though.

Berkeley is very good school, with as much horsepucky to wade through as any place on earth. Once the embodiment of "free speech" they are now a cathedral of political correctness. It will build your character to keep focused on education. The San Francisco Bay area is one of the best places on earth overall; that's a major consolation.

In the early sixities, Berkeley student leader Mario Savio became famous for saying, "Never trust anyone over 30." A decade later, the cover of National Review had a cake with 30 candles proclaiming Happy Birthday Mario Savio.

The University of California at Davis is about a hundred miles northeast of Berkeley, in the hot Central Valley. They are probably most famous for studying wine making. No one would guess, but they have an excellent engineering program. I had a number of their grads work for me over the years, and they were all first class.
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1/3/2014 1:12:03 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
I think that with out education; poverty and illiteracy can not be eradicated in U.A.E and other parts of the world, and also a country can not grow and progress on the verge of economic development.
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1/9/2014 10:17:27 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
The reality is that your "education" isn't their primary goal.

The teachers want to keep their jobs, this probably means following some rule book, curriculum etc etc

The principle/school wants to ensure funding of their school, this means following some rule book, testing requirements, attendance requirements....

If a conflict arises between what is better for YOUR education vs those things.....

Nothing personal, they have to operate within the system.
"Seems like another attempt to insert God into areas our knowledge has yet to penetrate. You figure God would be bigger than the gaps of our ignorance." Drafterman 19/5/12
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1/19/2014 11:34:48 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
As Plato says "Knowledge which is acquired under compulsion obtains no hold on the mind."

I think if you are not being inspired then you are not learning I think if more people learnt about that they may go and inspire more people to learn.

Albert Einstein
"Imagination is more important than knowledge."
CanWeKnow
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1/19/2014 4:56:04 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Isn't there something wrong about that though?

What can we do, as a society, to change that? I can't help but feel that when I go to register as a voter in a month or so that it might just be for naught.