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And the point of learning Poems is?

I-am-a-panda
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12/6/2008 12:28:18 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
Why must students learn poems in English, and talk about things like population distribution in Geography. Personally, from age 13 onwards, there should be a choice of doing practical schooling which prepares you for the workplace in 5 years or so, or theory schooling, where you study things like law, humanities, book stuff. Poems should be left for college, hell most poems don't even use proper english.
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12/6/2008 1:35:14 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
Thas because a poem is on the course. Why need we learn poems. You may argue cultural, well yes, as long as you understand the god damn thing. I hate Patrick Kavanagh, so much. Now he's going to haunt me, the pre-mature balding bespectacled man. The same thing happened when I cursed Karl Marx, he lay in my bed and whispered in my ear about Socialism. It was quite creepy.
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12/6/2008 1:46:05 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
In all fairness Karl was a very open man. But alot of times he kept stalin. OH, PUN-O-LICIOUS!
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12/23/2008 10:49:40 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
How can you expect 13 year olds to make life decisions (i.e. choose "practical" courses) when college students typically change their major 3 or 4 times over the course of their tenure at a university (?!) ... And these are more intelligent and mature individuals, supposedly. That's just illogical and would put an incredible amount of stress on a 13 year old and/or their parents. And surely you're not suggesting the State do the picking (socialism...?).

Now I'm not disagreeing that some school subjects are frivolous; however, English is not one of them, and poetry is an aspect of the literary field. Cultural implications aside, learning about poetry increases and enhances analytical skills and encourages creativity, open-mindedness, subjective thinking and artistic reason. These are all skills that can help you in various other fields. For instance, English and Philosophy majors tend to enter/excel in law school thanks to the reading comprehension + philosophical open-ness skills they learned as under-grads.
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12/24/2008 3:17:51 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 12/23/2008 10:49:40 PM, theLwerd wrote:
How can you expect 13 year olds to make life decisions (i.e. choose "practical" courses) when college students typically change their major 3 or 4 times over the course of their tenure at a university (?!) ... And these are more intelligent and mature individuals, supposedly. That's just illogical and would put an incredible amount of stress on a 13 year old and/or their parents. And surely you're not suggesting the State do the picking (socialism...?).

Now I'm not disagreeing that some school subjects are frivolous; however, English is not one of them, and poetry is an aspect of the literary field. Cultural implications aside, learning about poetry increases and enhances analytical skills and encourages creativity, open-mindedness, subjective thinking and artistic reason. These are all skills that can help you in various other fields. For instance, English and Philosophy majors tend to enter/excel in law school thanks to the reading comprehension + philosophical open-ness skills they learned as under-grads.

Ok, 13 years old is a bit early, but 15, yes.

Now, I ask you, why should poems be studied in English. A majority (if not all) poems decrease the standard of English. They are very vague with their 'metaphors'. Maybe they would be ok if I had a decent teacher.
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12/24/2008 5:24:18 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 12/6/2008 12:28:18 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
Why must students learn poems in English

Quite right. Reciting poetry in German is far more pretentious. I suggest Heidenröslein by Johann Wolfgang von Goethe as a suitable alternative something by Blake, Auden or Milton.

Sah ein Knab' ein Röslein stehn,
Röslein auf der Heiden,
War so jung und morgenschön,
Lief er schnell es nah zu sehn,
Sah's mit vielen Freuden.
Röslein, Röslein, Röslein rot,
Röslein auf der Heiden.

Knabe sprach: "Ich breche dich,
Röslein auf der Heiden.
"Röslein sprach: "Ich steche dich,
Daß du ewig denkst an mich,
Und ich will's nicht leiden.
"Röslein, Röslein, Röslein rot,
Röslein auf der Heiden.

Und der wilde Knabe brach's Röslein auf der Heiden;
Röslein wehrte sich und stach,
Half ihm doch kein Weh und Ach,
Mußt' es eben leiden.
Röslein, Röslein, Röslein rot,
Röslein auf der Heiden.
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Danielle
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12/24/2008 10:02:05 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 12/24/2008 3:17:51 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 12/23/2008 10:49:40 PM, theLwerd wrote:
How can you expect 13 year olds to make life decisions (i.e. choose "practical" courses) when college students typically change their major 3 or 4 times over the course of their tenure at a university (?!) ... And these are more intelligent and mature individuals, supposedly. That's just illogical and would put an incredible amount of stress on a 13 year old and/or their parents. And surely you're not suggesting the State do the picking (socialism...?).

Now I'm not disagreeing that some school subjects are frivolous; however, English is not one of them, and poetry is an aspect of the literary field. Cultural implications aside, learning about poetry increases and enhances analytical skills and encourages creativity, open-mindedness, subjective thinking and artistic reason. These are all skills that can help you in various other fields. For instance, English and Philosophy majors tend to enter/excel in law school thanks to the reading comprehension + philosophical open-ness skills they learned as under-grads.

Ok, 13 years old is a bit early, but 15, yes.

Now, I ask you, why should poems be studied in English. A majority (if not all) poems decrease the standard of English. They are very vague with their 'metaphors'. Maybe they would be ok if I had a decent teacher.

Fifteen is still WAY too young for that burden; consider my note regarding how much older college students change their majors significantly (often wasting a lot of time, effort and money!) throughout their tenure at a university. Plus, at fifteen you generally not only don't know what you are truly capable of, but also you don't have any idea what you have an interest in. Courses like philosophy, for example, usually aren't incorporated into standard HS learning. You need the exposure you obtain at a place like college in order to make a more informed decision about your chosen path.

Moreover, poems don't decrease the standard of English because there IS NO standard when it comes to poetry. It's art. It's subjective. I've explained the skills and their uses in my previous post so I won't repeat the same information. However simply because something is "vague" with metaphors does not make the message or the lessons any less valuable. If anything it enhances the experience.

Of course this mostly rings true for those interested in liberal arts; clearly a mathematician may not be so engaged, just as a law student may not be so titillated by an obscure mathematics theory. However lower level learning should try to incorporate different values and ideas into their curriculum.
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12/24/2008 10:11:56 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
Oh freddled gruntbuggly,
Thy micturations are to me
As plurdled gabbleblotchits
On a lurgid bee
That mordiously hath bitled out
Its earted jurtles
Into a rancid festering [drowned out by moaning and screaming]
Now the jurpling slayjid agrocrustles
Are slurping hagrilly up the axlegrurts
And living glupules frart and slipulate
Like jowling meated liverslime
Groop, I implore thee, my foonting turlingdromes
And hooptiously drangle me
With crinkly bindlewurdles,
Or else I shall rend thee in the gobberwarts with my blurglecruncheon
See if I don't.
Danielle
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12/24/2008 11:07:08 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
Clever, except you wouldn't learn that poem in school.

And if you did, a competent teacher would make it relative.

Even an incompetent teacher could teach you a lesson.
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5/15/2015 3:54:59 PM
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At 12/6/2008 1:40:44 PM, s0m31john wrote:
Homosexual agenda in our schools.

I highly doubt it.
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5/16/2015 12:41:37 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
There is no point in learning poems.
They just need something extra to add into the curriculum to make sure they have you learning something for the entire course, hence poetry.
I'd guess the actual educational value in learning poetry would lie in the cultural value behind it. I don't really find any cultural value in learning poetry as I don't look for it, but there are other people who would.
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5/16/2015 10:10:29 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/6/2008 12:28:18 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
Why must students learn poems in English, and talk about things like population distribution in Geography. Personally, from age 13 onwards, there should be a choice of doing practical schooling which prepares you for the workplace in 5 years or so, or theory schooling, where you study things like law, humanities, book stuff. Poems should be left for college, hell most poems don't even use proper english.

How are kids supposed to know they are good at or what interests them if they don't try it. Are you honestly saying that a kid of 13 knows exactly what his career will be in the future? Pretty sure the vast majority have no idea! Just because you have no interest in Poetry doesn't mean that others are not. School is made to cater for everyone so that everyone has an equal opportunity to succeed in the area they want to.

Part of the english course is both literacy and creative writing. Poetry is possibly the best example of creative writing out there. I don't like it personally but i'm not going to discourage the people that do appreciate it.
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5/22/2015 8:32:15 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
Poetry is very useful for teaching comprehension and in teaching students how to use context clues. While it may seem like a whole bunch of mumbo-jumbo, introducing poetry to students at a semi-young age is important because it will ultimately help them be more observant of what they read and help them with their reading and comprehension skills.