Total Posts:15|Showing Posts:1-15
Jump to topic:

Private school vouchers: Y/N?

Sweatingjojo
Posts: 83
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
10/9/2008 7:17:58 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
In areas where public schools are the fail, yes, let students out of there. Not everywhere though. Some localities have really great public schools, and I think that it would be redundant to begin offering PSVs there.
Kleptin
Posts: 5,095
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
10/10/2008 5:49:56 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
Why would I want to pay for poor people to go to school when I need to pay off my loans and then worry about sending my own kids to school?
: At 5/2/2010 2:43:54 PM, innomen wrote:
It isn't about finding a theory, philosophy or doctrine and thinking it's the answer, but a practical application of one's experiences that is the answer.

: At 10/28/2010 2:40:07 PM, jharry wrote: I have already been given the greatest Gift that anyone could ever hope for [Life], I would consider myself selfish if I expected anything more.
brian_eggleston
Posts: 3,347
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
10/10/2008 7:58:39 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
The trouble is that the successful schools become heavily oversubscribed and have to devise an admissions policy.

A lottery system would seem obvious but this could mean a kid living round the corner from a good school who was unlucky enough not to "win" a place being forced to travel a long distance to a failing school.

Also, any interview or examination selection process would make a mockery of the voucher system.
Visit the burglars' bulletin board: http://www.break-in-news.com...
Kleptin
Posts: 5,095
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
10/10/2008 2:19:29 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
There must be something I'm missing. Please tell me again *why* these kids from poor families deserve to use our tax dollars to attend private schools in the first place o.O
: At 5/2/2010 2:43:54 PM, innomen wrote:
It isn't about finding a theory, philosophy or doctrine and thinking it's the answer, but a practical application of one's experiences that is the answer.

: At 10/28/2010 2:40:07 PM, jharry wrote: I have already been given the greatest Gift that anyone could ever hope for [Life], I would consider myself selfish if I expected anything more.
Ragnar_Rahl
Posts: 19,297
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
10/10/2008 2:51:27 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
Yes as a temporary matter, to increase the number of private schools (and decrease the number of public), so that the abolition of the public school system will be easier.
It came to be at its height. It was commanded to command. It was a capital before its first stone was laid. It was a monument to the spirit of man.
Sweatingjojo
Posts: 83
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
10/10/2008 3:20:00 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 10/10/2008 2:19:29 PM, Kleptin wrote:
There must be something I'm missing. Please tell me again *why* these kids from poor families deserve to use our tax dollars to attend private schools in the first place o.O

Well the idea is that everyone deserves an education, and that studies have shown that sending kids from failing public schools to private ones makes them smarter.
Kleptin
Posts: 5,095
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
10/10/2008 3:29:56 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 10/10/2008 3:20:00 PM, Sweatingjojo wrote:
At 10/10/2008 2:19:29 PM, Kleptin wrote:
There must be something I'm missing. Please tell me again *why* these kids from poor families deserve to use our tax dollars to attend private schools in the first place o.O

Well the idea is that everyone deserves an education, and that studies have shown that sending kids from failing public schools to private ones makes them smarter.

Everyone has a right to food. Food stamps don't buy caviar, or expensive sushi, or 5 course meals at fancy restaurants.

Everyone has a right to health care. Medicaid doesn't send you to boutique hospitals that have health spas and gyms.

Everyone has a right to shelter, but we don't house the homeless at the Ritz Carlton.

We give poor people the bare minimum they need in order to be comfortable. They don't deserve it in any way, shape, or form, but the middle class provides it anyway.

If I'm going to be forced to shell out money in order to hoist one of them into the seat of some prestigious private school that I was hoping to put *my* kid in, someone SOMEWHERE should damn well make sure that the kid has genius potential.

Why
: At 5/2/2010 2:43:54 PM, innomen wrote:
It isn't about finding a theory, philosophy or doctrine and thinking it's the answer, but a practical application of one's experiences that is the answer.

: At 10/28/2010 2:40:07 PM, jharry wrote: I have already been given the greatest Gift that anyone could ever hope for [Life], I would consider myself selfish if I expected anything more.
Kleptin
Posts: 5,095
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
10/10/2008 3:31:25 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
else would I want to pay for private school instead of keeping them in public schools (which I'm already paying for?)
: At 5/2/2010 2:43:54 PM, innomen wrote:
It isn't about finding a theory, philosophy or doctrine and thinking it's the answer, but a practical application of one's experiences that is the answer.

: At 10/28/2010 2:40:07 PM, jharry wrote: I have already been given the greatest Gift that anyone could ever hope for [Life], I would consider myself selfish if I expected anything more.
Numquam
Posts: 4
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
10/10/2008 9:39:15 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
Private school vouchers generally don't pay for an entire year of tuition, so the family does have some amount of interest in the education. Also, the voucher is only worth as much as education at a public school would cost anyways. (numbers I have heard are around $3000)
LR4N6FTW4EVA
Posts: 190
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
10/11/2008 2:16:14 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 10/10/2008 9:39:15 PM, Numquam wrote:
Private school vouchers generally don't pay for an entire year of tuition, so the family does have some amount of interest in the education. Also, the voucher is only worth as much as education at a public school would cost anyways. (numbers I have heard are around $3000)

The average cost of a public school education is $10000 per student annually.
The average tuition of a private school is $7500 per year.

Nope, you save money.
LR4N6FTW4EVA
Posts: 190
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
10/11/2008 2:18:46 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 10/10/2008 5:49:56 AM, Kleptin wrote:
Why would I want to pay for poor people to go to school when I need to pay off my loans and then worry about sending my own kids to school?

Because you already do that. Besides, you would end up paying the same or less, as we pay $10000 annually per child on average for public schools, and maybe $600 more for special ed. students; the average cost of a private school tuition is $7500, $8500 for special ed., so we save on average, $2000 per child.
Xera
Posts: 7
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
11/23/2008 3:20:15 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
Vouchers are a good idea, but I think simply allowing a choice of schools to the parents instead of locking them into whatever school district they happen to be in makes more sense. I think if the state is going to be paying about 10K per kid to go to school, the money should follow the kid, wherever the kid is going gets the funds. Schools should compete to get kids, teachers should compete to get kids. Schools that do a great job will be able to expand to meet the needs that they have so that all kids can go to a good school, and bad schools will die. In other words there should be no district lines at all. The school board should be elected by the parents who have children enrolled in the school, not by any old person that lives in a certain district regardless of whether they know anything about the schools or not, and let the schools operate the way any business should, let the consumer decide if it stays in business.
We need a president who's fluent in at least one language. " (Buck Henry)
ChosenWolff
Posts: 3,361
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
7/15/2014 3:32:13 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/9/2008 6:58:38 AM, LR4N6FTW4EVA wrote:
Yes. Studies show that they work.
Yes
How about NO elections?

#onlyonedeb8
SeventhProfessor
Posts: 5,097
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
3/31/2015 11:23:14 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/10/2008 3:20:00 PM, Sweatingjojo wrote:
At 10/10/2008 2:19:29 PM, Kleptin wrote:
There must be something I'm missing. Please tell me again *why* these kids from poor families deserve to use our tax dollars to attend private schools in the first place o.O

Well the idea is that everyone deserves an education, and that studies have shown that sending kids from failing public schools to private ones makes them smarter.

This was the 1227th post ever made on DDO.
#UnbanTheMadman

#StandWithBossy

#BetOnThett

"bossy r u like 85 years old and have lost ur mind"
~mysteriouscrystals

"I've honestly never seen seventh post anything that wasn't completely idiotic in a trying-to-be-funny way."
~F-16

https://docs.google.com...