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1/6/2011 7:22:28 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Koopin's post is spam.

I have no objection to the Bible being used as a text in school. It's significance in the Western literary canon is undeniable. If it's being taught as fact I would consider that a very serious problem, since much of its content is false.
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1/6/2011 7:24:46 PM
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At 1/6/2011 7:23:20 PM, Grape wrote:
Actually, this whole thread is probably spam. I doubt any of Freedo's links are legitimate either.

Correct. +1 for image preview script. :P
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1/9/2011 1:12:26 PM
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Sure why not. I was a Christian. Reading the bible is one of the things that first toppled my belief.

All you have to do is read about the Old Testament God of war, death, sadism, and genocide... You'll see that it is probably something you want to stay far the hell away from.

Do more research on it, and you end up finding that the Jewish people used to be Polytheists, and Yahweh was their god of war. The bible has been corrupted so much that just reading it by itself is reading it out of context. =p
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1/9/2011 9:10:48 PM
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Jewish people used to be polytheists??
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1/9/2011 9:14:20 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/9/2011 1:12:26 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
Sure why not. I was a Christian. Reading the bible is one of the things that first toppled my belief.

All you have to do is read about the Old Testament God of war, death, sadism, and genocide... You'll see that it is probably something you want to stay far the hell away from.

Do more research on it, and you end up finding that the Jewish people used to be Polytheists, and Yahweh was their god of war. The bible has been corrupted so much that just reading it by itself is reading it out of context. =p

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1/12/2011 4:13:00 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/9/2011 9:10:48 PM, Jarjar3000 wrote:
Jewish people used to be polytheists??

I highly doubt that. I have never once seen facts supporting something like that.
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1/12/2011 1:00:46 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/9/2011 1:12:26 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
Sure why not. I was a Christian. Reading the bible is one of the things that first toppled my belief.

All you have to do is read about the Old Testament God of war, death, sadism, and genocide... You'll see that it is probably something you want to stay far the hell away from.

Do more research on it, and you end up finding that the Jewish people used to be Polytheists, and Yahweh was their god of war. The bible has been corrupted so much that just reading it by itself is reading it out of context. =p

Does not surprise me.
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1/12/2011 1:05:05 PM
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At 1/12/2011 4:13:00 AM, HatedeatH wrote:
At 1/9/2011 9:10:48 PM, Jarjar3000 wrote:
Jewish people used to be polytheists??

I highly doubt that. I have never once seen facts supporting something like that.

Well one of the first things I found on the subject

"Introduced in the Old testament, Yahweh was first adopted by the Israelites. It is unpopular belief among dedicated Christians and Jews alike, yet more historically accurate to say that Yahweh was first conceived as part a polytheist belief system rather than a monotheist system, which didn't even exist at the time. Actually, the Old Testament does very little to address Yahweh within a monotheistic context. Everything in the Old Testament points to Yahweh as an exclusive, quasi-regional deity of a larger polytheistic belief system. "

http://www.dogmanaut.com...
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1/12/2011 1:11:59 PM
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At 1/12/2011 4:13:00 AM, HatedeatH wrote:
At 1/9/2011 9:10:48 PM, Jarjar3000 wrote:
Jewish people used to be polytheists??

I highly doubt that. I have never once seen facts supporting something like that.

Actually they are Henotheists which is a form of Polytheism. Henotheism is the belief in multiple gods, but only one God is worshipped or applies only to a certain group of people while other gods apply to other groups of people.

This was actually taught in my Philosophy of Religion college course.
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1/12/2011 1:27:49 PM
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you know i can kind of see the appeal to polytheism. I mean, one god is boring. The old testament is painful to read. Even summarized. However greek mythology is pretty interesting. With multiple gods you get more drama with the gods fighting.
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1/12/2011 1:29:01 PM
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At 1/12/2011 1:27:49 PM, darkkermit wrote:
you know i can kind of see the appeal to polytheism. I mean, one god is boring. The old testament is painful to read. Even summarized. However greek mythology is pretty interesting. With multiple gods you get more drama with the gods fighting.

Lol yeah the greek/roman gods are fun to read about
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1/12/2011 1:36:22 PM
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At 1/12/2011 1:05:05 PM, lovelife wrote:
At 1/12/2011 4:13:00 AM, HatedeatH wrote:
At 1/9/2011 9:10:48 PM, Jarjar3000 wrote:
Jewish people used to be polytheists??

I highly doubt that. I have never once seen facts supporting something like that.

Well one of the first things I found on the subject

"Introduced in the Old testament, Yahweh was first adopted by the Israelites. It is unpopular belief among dedicated Christians and Jews alike, yet more historically accurate to say that Yahweh was first conceived as part a polytheist belief system rather than a monotheist system, which didn't even exist at the time. Actually, the Old Testament does very little to address Yahweh within a monotheistic context. Everything in the Old Testament points to Yahweh as an exclusive, quasi-regional deity of a larger polytheistic belief system. "

http://www.dogmanaut.com...
That's called a horrible review of the Old Testament.
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1/12/2011 1:44:34 PM
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At 1/12/2011 1:36:22 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 1/12/2011 1:05:05 PM, lovelife wrote:
At 1/12/2011 4:13:00 AM, HatedeatH wrote:
At 1/9/2011 9:10:48 PM, Jarjar3000 wrote:
Jewish people used to be polytheists??

I highly doubt that. I have never once seen facts supporting something like that.

Well one of the first things I found on the subject

"Introduced in the Old testament, Yahweh was first adopted by the Israelites. It is unpopular belief among dedicated Christians and Jews alike, yet more historically accurate to say that Yahweh was first conceived as part a polytheist belief system rather than a monotheist system, which didn't even exist at the time. Actually, the Old Testament does very little to address Yahweh within a monotheistic context. Everything in the Old Testament points to Yahweh as an exclusive, quasi-regional deity of a larger polytheistic belief system. "

http://www.dogmanaut.com...
That's called a horrible review of the Old Testament.

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1/12/2011 1:51:45 PM
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At 1/12/2011 1:44:34 PM, lovelife wrote:
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YHWH, as described in the Torah, calls for pure monotheism. Polytheism, or even something that comes close to it, is extremely sinful according to that scripture.
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1/12/2011 2:15:07 PM
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At 1/12/2011 1:51:45 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 1/12/2011 1:44:34 PM, lovelife wrote:
?
YHWH, as described in the Torah, calls for pure monotheism. Polytheism, or even something that comes close to it, is extremely sinful according to that scripture.

Read what geo wrote. It makes more sense when you have it in that context.
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1/12/2011 2:17:45 PM
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At 1/12/2011 2:15:07 PM, lovelife wrote:
At 1/12/2011 1:51:45 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 1/12/2011 1:44:34 PM, lovelife wrote:
?
YHWH, as described in the Torah, calls for pure monotheism. Polytheism, or even something that comes close to it, is extremely sinful according to that scripture.

Read what geo wrote. It makes more sense when you have it in that context.
That proves nothing. YHWH from the Torah claims pure monotheism. What Jews used to do wrong about worshiping other deities has nothing to do with YHWH not claiming exclusive Divinity in the OT.
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1/12/2011 2:20:14 PM
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At 12/28/2010 11:03:07 PM, Koopin wrote:
Yes, as a Christian I don't think it should be forced. Here is the Christian Atheist ratio in TX.
http://tinyurl.com...

Koopin, you bastard, stop doing that!

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1/12/2011 2:20:18 PM
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At 12/28/2010 10:58:48 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Texas has gone waaaayy too far this time:

You need to die in a fire.
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1/12/2011 2:21:37 PM
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At 1/12/2011 2:20:14 PM, brian_eggleston wrote:
At 12/28/2010 11:03:07 PM, Koopin wrote:
Yes, as a Christian I don't think it should be forced. Here is the Christian Atheist ratio in TX.
http://tinyurl.com...

Koopin, you bastard, stop doing that!

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1/12/2011 2:24:59 PM
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At 1/12/2011 2:21:37 PM, Koopin wrote:
At 1/12/2011 2:20:14 PM, brian_eggleston wrote:
At 12/28/2010 11:03:07 PM, Koopin wrote:
Yes, as a Christian I don't think it should be forced. Here is the Christian Atheist ratio in TX.
http://tinyurl.com...

Koopin, you bastard, stop doing that!

(Although I quite like that Rick Ashtray song, it doesn't look professional with him poncing about all over my computer screen at work).

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1/12/2011 2:34:04 PM
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At 1/12/2011 2:17:45 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 1/12/2011 2:15:07 PM, lovelife wrote:
At 1/12/2011 1:51:45 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 1/12/2011 1:44:34 PM, lovelife wrote:
?
YHWH, as described in the Torah, calls for pure monotheism. Polytheism, or even something that comes close to it, is extremely sinful according to that scripture.

Read what geo wrote. It makes more sense when you have it in that context.
That proves nothing. YHWH from the Torah claims pure monotheism. What Jews used to do wrong about worshiping other deities has nothing to do with YHWH not claiming exclusive Divinity in the OT.

You're missing the point. I never said the Jews worshipped other gods, my point is that the Old Testament is a Henotheistic (polytheistic) text. Yahweh himself mentions other gods all the time in the Old Testament, this nothing to do with mistaken Jews worshiping the wrong God, Yahweh himself in the holy scriptures expresses Henotheism.

Also, you don't seem to understand Henotheism because you think that just because Yahweh says not to worship other gods, therefore it's monotheistic. No. It can still be polytheistic despite the fact that Yahweh doesn't want you to worship other gods.
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1/12/2011 2:45:15 PM
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At 1/12/2011 2:34:04 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
You're missing the point. I never said the Jews worshipped other gods, my point is that the Old Testament is a Henotheistic (polytheistic) text. Yahweh himself mentions other gods all the time in the Old Testament, this nothing to do with mistaken Jews worshiping the wrong God, Yahweh himself in the holy scriptures expresses Henotheism.

Also, you don't seem to understand Henotheism because you think that just because Yahweh says not to worship other gods, therefore it's monotheistic. No. It can still be polytheistic despite the fact that Yahweh doesn't want you to worship other gods.
The Old Testament doesn't speak of Deities in plural, but deities in plural. There is a difference between those two. You are mistaking the concepts. Acknowledging that there are deities being worshiped is not connecting anything to polytheism. As long as YHWH didn't say that there are Gods of His own rank, there is no such thing as polytheism. Surely, polytheism exists in the OT as a concept, not a fact. Don't mix concepts and facts.
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1/12/2011 2:51:39 PM
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Mirza to the ovens! lol jk, jk.
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1/12/2011 2:55:01 PM
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At 1/12/2011 2:45:15 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 1/12/2011 2:34:04 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
You're missing the point. I never said the Jews worshipped other gods, my point is that the Old Testament is a Henotheistic (polytheistic) text. Yahweh himself mentions other gods all the time in the Old Testament, this nothing to do with mistaken Jews worshiping the wrong God, Yahweh himself in the holy scriptures expresses Henotheism.

Also, you don't seem to understand Henotheism because you think that just because Yahweh says not to worship other gods, therefore it's monotheistic. No. It can still be polytheistic despite the fact that Yahweh doesn't want you to worship other gods.
The Old Testament doesn't speak of Deities in plural, but deities in plural. There is a difference between those two. You are mistaking the concepts. Acknowledging that there are deities being worshiped is not connecting anything to polytheism. As long as YHWH didn't say that there are Gods of His own rank, there is no such thing as polytheism. Surely, polytheism exists in the OT as a concept, not a fact. Don't mix concepts and facts.

All religion is is concepts.
So when concepts are put into the religion, it i part of the religion.
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1/12/2011 2:55:19 PM
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At 1/12/2011 2:51:39 PM, HatedeatH wrote:
Mirza to the ovens! lol jk, jk.
I am very offended

by the fact that you didn't notice I'm a Muslim.