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Pinocchio Paradox

ConservativePolitico
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7/28/2012 10:16:12 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
The below statement is true.
The above statement is false.
The wise have eyes in their heads, while the fool walks in the darkness; but I came to realizethat the same fate overtakes them both.
Then I said to myself,
"The fate of the fool will overtake me also.
What then do I gain by being wise?"
I said to myself, "This too is meaningless."
For the wise, like the fool, will not be long remembered;
the days have already come when both have been forgotten.
Like the fool, the wise too must die!
- Ecclesiastes 2:14-16
DATCMOTO
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7/31/2012 3:07:44 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/28/2012 10:07:09 PM, clonez wrote:
What if Pinocchio says:
"My nose grows now."?

What if he says:
"I am lying"?

Discuss.

At the instant he conceives and states "My nose grows now" it is not growing and so is a lie; this iniates nose growth after the fact.

If the "I am lying" statement refers to the earlier "my nose grows" then the tense is incorrect; it would have to be "I lied" which is a true statement and so no new growth occurs.
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DetectableNinja
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7/31/2012 3:43:24 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
This sentence is false.
But if the chance remains
to see those better days,
I'd cut the cannons down.

- Vampire Weekend "Giving Up the Gun"
Man-is-good
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8/1/2012 1:22:32 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/31/2012 3:43:24 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
This sentence is false.

What I will say is false though what I will purport here is true.
"Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto." --Terence

"I believe that the mind can be permanently profaned by the habit of attending to trivial things, so that all our thoughts shall be tinged with triviality."--Thoreau
FREEDO
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8/4/2012 6:56:04 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Paradoxes exist and they aren't hard to come up with. But the problem here is that paradoxes which incorporate lying are all dumb because they're not actually paradoxes.

This is because any lie can be true. Someone can think something is false when it is actually true and say it is true. They would be lying yet correct.

Furthermore, lying and telling the truth are both contingent on having a belief. If Pinocchio doesn't know the outcome himself, then he wouldn't have the ability to lie about it.

The answer is that his nose would not grow.

If Pinocchio's nose grew when he was wrong it would be a different story.

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