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Blatant Disrespect of the rules of timetravel

Noumena
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6/20/2013 8:24:07 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
What specific example are you referring to? I mean of "blatant disrespect of the rules of timetravel".
: At 5/13/2014 7:05:20 PM, Crescendo wrote:
: The difference is that the gay movement is currently pushing their will on Churches, as shown in the link to gay marriage in Denmark. Meanwhile, the Inquisition ended several centuries ago.
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6/20/2013 8:36:51 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/20/2013 8:24:07 PM, Noumena wrote:
What specific example are you referring to? I mean of "blatant disrespect of the rules of timetravel".

Oh, look at me. I can't even link.
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Ragnar
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6/20/2013 10:50:40 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
What rules would killing someone in the past break? Other than having no reason to have done it?
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6/21/2013 10:49:19 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/20/2013 10:50:40 PM, Ragnar wrote:
What rules would killing someone in the past break? Other than having no reason to have done it?
That's a pretty big rule to break. You would have to travel not only into the past, but into some kind of parallel universe where that person was always killed by you.
cybertron1998
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6/21/2013 12:02:27 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/21/2013 10:49:19 AM, Quan wrote:
At 6/20/2013 10:50:40 PM, Ragnar wrote:
What rules would killing someone in the past break? Other than having no reason to have done it?
That's a pretty big rule to break. You would have to travel not only into the past, but into some kind of parallel universe where that person was always killed by you.

that is one theory there is also the theory where you would change you universe and possibly not even exist creating a paradox
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Noumena
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6/21/2013 12:31:36 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/21/2013 10:49:19 AM, Quan wrote:
At 6/20/2013 10:50:40 PM, Ragnar wrote:
What rules would killing someone in the past break? Other than having no reason to have done it?
That's a pretty big rule to break. You would have to travel not only into the past, but into some kind of parallel universe where that person was always killed by you.

There are different rules in different media. In Doctor Who it could be a fixed or an open point in time. So depending on what yer changing it might work. In Lost you absolutely cannot change anything. Yer plan would just fall apart in some way every time you try. In some media, changing things just creates another universe where the change occurred. There's no universally valid rule for time travel dudez.
: At 5/13/2014 7:05:20 PM, Crescendo wrote:
: The difference is that the gay movement is currently pushing their will on Churches, as shown in the link to gay marriage in Denmark. Meanwhile, the Inquisition ended several centuries ago.
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6/21/2013 4:14:02 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/21/2013 12:31:36 PM, Noumena wrote:
At 6/21/2013 10:49:19 AM, Quan wrote:
At 6/20/2013 10:50:40 PM, Ragnar wrote:
What rules would killing someone in the past break? Other than having no reason to have done it?
That's a pretty big rule to break. You would have to travel not only into the past, but into some kind of parallel universe where that person was always killed by you.

There are different rules in different media. In Doctor Who it could be a fixed or an open point in time. So depending on what yer changing it might work. In Lost you absolutely cannot change anything. Yer plan would just fall apart in some way every time you try. In some media, changing things just creates another universe where the change occurred. There's no universally valid rule for time travel dudez.

I know. But I'm a Whovian and so I take these kinds of things very seriously. Probably too seriously.
Noumena
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6/21/2013 4:30:49 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/21/2013 4:14:02 PM, Rubyclaw wrote:
At 6/21/2013 12:31:36 PM, Noumena wrote:
At 6/21/2013 10:49:19 AM, Quan wrote:
At 6/20/2013 10:50:40 PM, Ragnar wrote:
What rules would killing someone in the past break? Other than having no reason to have done it?
That's a pretty big rule to break. You would have to travel not only into the past, but into some kind of parallel universe where that person was always killed by you.

There are different rules in different media. In Doctor Who it could be a fixed or an open point in time. So depending on what yer changing it might work. In Lost you absolutely cannot change anything. Yer plan would just fall apart in some way every time you try. In some media, changing things just creates another universe where the change occurred. There's no universally valid rule for time travel dudez.

I know. But I'm a Whovian and so I take these kinds of things very seriously. Probably too seriously.

If yer a Whovian than you know not all points in time are fixed. So killing young Barry may or may not be impossible. We don't know.
: At 5/13/2014 7:05:20 PM, Crescendo wrote:
: The difference is that the gay movement is currently pushing their will on Churches, as shown in the link to gay marriage in Denmark. Meanwhile, the Inquisition ended several centuries ago.
Rubyclaw
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6/21/2013 5:40:21 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/21/2013 4:30:49 PM, Noumena wrote:
At 6/21/2013 4:14:02 PM, Rubyclaw wrote:
At 6/21/2013 12:31:36 PM, Noumena wrote:
At 6/21/2013 10:49:19 AM, Quan wrote:
At 6/20/2013 10:50:40 PM, Ragnar wrote:
What rules would killing someone in the past break? Other than having no reason to have done it?
That's a pretty big rule to break. You would have to travel not only into the past, but into some kind of parallel universe where that person was always killed by you.

There are different rules in different media. In Doctor Who it could be a fixed or an open point in time. So depending on what yer changing it might work. In Lost you absolutely cannot change anything. Yer plan would just fall apart in some way every time you try. In some media, changing things just creates another universe where the change occurred. There's no universally valid rule for time travel dudez.

I know. But I'm a Whovian and so I take these kinds of things very seriously. Probably too seriously.

If yer a Whovian than you know not all points in time are fixed. So killing young Barry may or may not be impossible. We don't know.

Well yeah, but I'm pretty sure that the election of the first black president of the United States would be significant enough to be fixed.
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6/21/2013 6:03:56 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/21/2013 5:40:21 PM, Rubyclaw wrote:
At 6/21/2013 4:30:49 PM, Noumena wrote:
At 6/21/2013 4:14:02 PM, Rubyclaw wrote:
At 6/21/2013 12:31:36 PM, Noumena wrote:
At 6/21/2013 10:49:19 AM, Quan wrote:
At 6/20/2013 10:50:40 PM, Ragnar wrote:
What rules would killing someone in the past break? Other than having no reason to have done it?
That's a pretty big rule to break. You would have to travel not only into the past, but into some kind of parallel universe where that person was always killed by you.

There are different rules in different media. In Doctor Who it could be a fixed or an open point in time. So depending on what yer changing it might work. In Lost you absolutely cannot change anything. Yer plan would just fall apart in some way every time you try. In some media, changing things just creates another universe where the change occurred. There's no universally valid rule for time travel dudez.

I know. But I'm a Whovian and so I take these kinds of things very seriously. Probably too seriously.

If yer a Whovian than you know not all points in time are fixed. So killing young Barry may or may not be impossible. We don't know.

Well yeah, but I'm pretty sure that the election of the first black president of the United States would be significant enough to be fixed.

On the contrary, significant points are the most re-writable.

Mount Vesuvius exploding - re-written

quiet spot somewhere in Utah - fixed.
Rubyclaw
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6/21/2013 9:26:01 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/21/2013 6:03:56 PM, MassiveDump wrote:
At 6/21/2013 5:40:21 PM, Rubyclaw wrote:
At 6/21/2013 4:30:49 PM, Noumena wrote:
At 6/21/2013 4:14:02 PM, Rubyclaw wrote:
At 6/21/2013 12:31:36 PM, Noumena wrote:
At 6/21/2013 10:49:19 AM, Quan wrote:
At 6/20/2013 10:50:40 PM, Ragnar wrote:
What rules would killing someone in the past break? Other than having no reason to have done it?
That's a pretty big rule to break. You would have to travel not only into the past, but into some kind of parallel universe where that person was always killed by you.

There are different rules in different media. In Doctor Who it could be a fixed or an open point in time. So depending on what yer changing it might work. In Lost you absolutely cannot change anything. Yer plan would just fall apart in some way every time you try. In some media, changing things just creates another universe where the change occurred. There's no universally valid rule for time travel dudez.

I know. But I'm a Whovian and so I take these kinds of things very seriously. Probably too seriously.

If yer a Whovian than you know not all points in time are fixed. So killing young Barry may or may not be impossible. We don't know.

Well yeah, but I'm pretty sure that the election of the first black president of the United States would be significant enough to be fixed.

On the contrary, significant points are the most re-writable.

Mount Vesuvius exploding - re-written

quiet spot somewhere in Utah - fixed.

Mount Vesuvius exploding was not a re-write. It was always supposed to happen. It just so happened that the Doctor was behind it.
cybertron1998
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6/21/2013 9:33:41 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/21/2013 9:26:01 PM, Rubyclaw wrote:
At 6/21/2013 6:03:56 PM, MassiveDump wrote:
At 6/21/2013 5:40:21 PM, Rubyclaw wrote:
At 6/21/2013 4:30:49 PM, Noumena wrote:
At 6/21/2013 4:14:02 PM, Rubyclaw wrote:
At 6/21/2013 12:31:36 PM, Noumena wrote:
At 6/21/2013 10:49:19 AM, Quan wrote:
At 6/20/2013 10:50:40 PM, Ragnar wrote:
What rules would killing someone in the past break? Other than having no reason to have done it?
That's a pretty big rule to break. You would have to travel not only into the past, but into some kind of parallel universe where that person was always killed by you.

There are different rules in different media. In Doctor Who it could be a fixed or an open point in time. So depending on what yer changing it might work. In Lost you absolutely cannot change anything. Yer plan would just fall apart in some way every time you try. In some media, changing things just creates another universe where the change occurred. There's no universally valid rule for time travel dudez.

I know. But I'm a Whovian and so I take these kinds of things very seriously. Probably too seriously.

If yer a Whovian than you know not all points in time are fixed. So killing young Barry may or may not be impossible. We don't know.

Well yeah, but I'm pretty sure that the election of the first black president of the United States would be significant enough to be fixed.

On the contrary, significant points are the most re-writable.

Mount Vesuvius exploding - re-written

quiet spot somewhere in Utah - fixed.

Mount Vesuvius exploding was not a re-write. It was always supposed to happen. It just so happened that the Doctor was behind it.

mount vesuvius was not always supposed to happen. if you factor in every possible reality than no it was not supposed to happen
Epsilon: There are so many stories where some brave hero decides to give their life to save the day, and because of their sacrifice, the good guys win, the survivors all cheer, and everybody lives happily ever after. But the hero... never gets to see that ending. They'll never know if their sacrifice actually made a difference. They'll never know if the day was really saved. In the end, they just have to have faith.
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6/21/2013 10:38:39 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/21/2013 12:02:27 PM, cybertron1998 wrote:
At 6/21/2013 10:49:19 AM, Quan wrote:
At 6/20/2013 10:50:40 PM, Ragnar wrote:
What rules would killing someone in the past break? Other than having no reason to have done it?
That's a pretty big rule to break. You would have to travel not only into the past, but into some kind of parallel universe where that person was always killed by you.

that is one theory there is also the theory where you would change you universe and possibly not even exist creating a paradox

That's the exact problem I'm talking about. If you killed someone in the past, they wouldn't have been around for your to decide to go back in time to kill them. It either always happened, or never happened.

You also have to account for the fact that there could now be two or more of you existing at any given moment. Do you experience being all of them simultaneously? Or do you become separate individuals?
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6/23/2013 10:45:15 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/20/2013 10:50:40 PM, Ragnar wrote:
What rules would killing someone in the past break? Other than having no reason to have done it?

If you went back in time just to kill someone, then you would have no reason to go back in time because they wouldn't be alive to have made you want to go back in time and kill them. Thus, creating a paradox.
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