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Disney's Frozen...WTF?!? (spoilers)

Khaos_Mage
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3/16/2014 10:06:54 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
How do people like this movie?!?

Not like, as it wasn't a bad movie, but it is not deserving of all these accolades, either.
The plot made literally no sense.
The ending, between the sword breaking and reversing the curse, was a huge plot hole.
The dues ex machina to return summer was nauseating.
What exactly was the moral of the story?
The head is easier to fix than the heart? WTF?
I'll keep the fun, but not the memory of magic. For what purpose? For everyone or just the girl? Once the magic was exposed, shouldn't she have died or something?

Honestly, I think the only reason it is so real received is that it had a Broadway musical feel to it, which I enjoyed. (enjoyed all the more because my wife hates that hehehe)

I much would rather see Wreck-it Ralph, and it, too, had HUGE plot holes, much worse than this movie, but was the better movie by far.
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3/16/2014 10:11:33 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
How do you not like the movie lol? You wouldn't be the first though. I've met a few others who don't like it. But maybe don't try over analyzing the plot of it rather try learning something from it. You can learn things from practically anything but that's if your willing to put pride aside and choose to will to learn. It's not hard. It's pretty fun learning new things. And it's always interesting to see what kind of person the makers of the films are.
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3/16/2014 10:16:14 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/16/2014 10:06:54 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
How do people like this movie?!?

Not like, as it wasn't a bad movie, but it is not deserving of all these accolades, either.

It was very intelligent, IMO.

The plot made literally no sense.

Sure it did.

The ending, between the sword breaking and reversing the curse, was a huge plot hole.

How so? It was the sensible ending, I thought; about real love, rather than the old magical kiss nonsense.

The dues ex machina to return summer was nauseating.

Dude, every single everything in the entirety of everything is dues ex machina. Nothing makes sense, nothing is likely.

What exactly was the moral of the story?

Love makes things good, and it was a rewriting of that old and dumb fairy tale kiss nonsense.

The head is easier to fix than the heart? WTF?

I personally loved this bit. A shout out to the likes of me. The trolls who know love, and are trying to fix the world bit by bit, but it's easy to change someone based on their insecurities, changing their caution, but not their consideration. People have to find love on their own.

I'll keep the fun, but not the memory of magic. For what purpose? For everyone or just the girl? Once the magic was exposed, shouldn't she have died or something?

Dude you're reading into that too much. They didn't want her pestering her sister to use magic or whatever, because it was dangerous.

Honestly, I think the only reason it is so real received is that it had a Broadway musical feel to it, which I enjoyed. (enjoyed all the more because my wife hates that hehehe)

I much would rather see Wreck-it Ralph, and it, too, had HUGE plot holes, much worse than this movie, but was the better movie by far.
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3/16/2014 10:29:16 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/16/2014 10:11:33 AM, GodChoosesLife wrote:
How do you not like the movie lol? You wouldn't be the first though. I've met a few others who don't like it. But maybe don't try over analyzing the plot of it rather try learning something from it. You can learn things from practically anything but that's if your willing to put pride aside and choose to will to learn. It's not hard. It's pretty fun learning new things. And it's always interesting to see what kind of person the makers of the films are.

And what did you learn?
What did you perceive as the moral?
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3/16/2014 10:35:38 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
GodChoosesLife is a ridiculous person trying to navigate life with niceties. Her "learning" is a pretense, probably taken from daddy who so loves to preach his ridiculousness.
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3/16/2014 10:39:20 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/16/2014 10:16:14 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:
At 3/16/2014 10:06:54 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
How do people like this movie?!?

Not like, as it wasn't a bad movie, but it is not deserving of all these accolades, either.

It was very intelligent, IMO.
Different, yes. Some humor, yes. In the sense of Broadway, yes.
On the whole, no.

The plot made literally no sense.

Sure it did.
No.
She was driving out of the country because she had magic? This was never addressed.

The ending, between the sword breaking and reversing the curse, was a huge plot hole.

How so? It was the sensible ending, I thought; about real love, rather than the old magical kiss nonsense.
So....the sister never really loved the Elsa? She seemed WAY too devoted to her, for someone that kept shutting her out.
I would have excepted Elsa doing something for the sister (can't remember her name).

The dues ex machina to return summer was nauseating.

Dude, every single everything in the entirety of everything is dues ex machina. Nothing makes sense, nothing is likely.
"oh, love, that's it, that's how to return summer", that implies that she never loved before, yet everything she did (her isolation) was for love of her sister/country.

Her building the castle is fine. Her ending summer, not so much.
It implies that she had to remember she loved her sister. I'd rather her have found a hidden scroll or something, TBH.

What exactly was the moral of the story?

Love makes things good, and it was a rewriting of that old and dumb fairy tale kiss nonsense.
Not love, but family love. That's great and all, but it wasn't like it wasn't always present, was it?

The head is easier to fix than the heart? WTF?

I personally loved this bit. A shout out to the likes of me. The trolls who know love, and are trying to fix the world bit by bit, but it's easy to change someone based on their insecurities, changing their caution, but not their consideration. People have to find love on their own.
The love was always there. It was never found.
Again, if Elsa proved her love for her sister, since she was a shut-in, that would make sense. But that's not what happened.

I'll keep the fun, but not the memory of magic. For what purpose? For everyone or just the girl? Once the magic was exposed, shouldn't she have died or something?

Dude you're reading into that too much. They didn't want her pestering her sister to use magic or whatever, because it was dangerous.
Apparently not that dangerous, since all it took was love to reverse everything.

Honestly, I think the only reason it is so real received is that it had a Broadway musical feel to it, which I enjoyed. (enjoyed all the more because my wife hates that hehehe)

I much would rather see Wreck-it Ralph, and it, too, had HUGE plot holes, much worse than this movie, but was the better movie by far.
My work here is, finally, done.
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3/16/2014 10:42:59 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/16/2014 10:39:20 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:

I suppose there was no precise government operation taken by the queen =P
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3/16/2014 10:44:14 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/16/2014 10:42:59 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:
At 3/16/2014 10:39:20 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:

I suppose there was no precise government operation taken by the queen =P

What does that even mean?
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3/16/2014 10:55:52 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/16/2014 10:52:14 AM, Defro wrote:
What really bothered me were the stone troll people. The movie didn't explain them at all.

What needed to be explained about them?
What bothered me was that Olaf was created, but Elsa didn't know.
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3/16/2014 11:00:35 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/16/2014 10:55:52 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 3/16/2014 10:52:14 AM, Defro wrote:
What really bothered me were the stone troll people. The movie didn't explain them at all.

What needed to be explained about them?
What bothered me was that Olaf was created, but Elsa didn't know.

Well for starters, a brief explanation on how they knew the king and how they could cure Anna and change Elsa's memories would have been great.
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3/16/2014 11:06:41 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/16/2014 11:00:35 AM, Defro wrote:
At 3/16/2014 10:55:52 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 3/16/2014 10:52:14 AM, Defro wrote:
What really bothered me were the stone troll people. The movie didn't explain them at all.

What needed to be explained about them?
What bothered me was that Olaf was created, but Elsa didn't know.


Well for starters, a brief explanation on how they knew the king and how they could cure Anna and change Elsa's memories would have been great.

Yeah, and how did Elsa's family come to power? And, why was there no king after the king and queen died? /sarcasm

Why is that important?
It is what it is.
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3/16/2014 11:08:25 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/16/2014 10:44:14 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 3/16/2014 10:42:59 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:
At 3/16/2014 10:39:20 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:

I suppose there was no precise government operation taken by the queen =P

What does that even mean?

I'd imagine that bit about Elsa loving her sister the whole way through had something to do with love being endless or such. It is really our only redeeming quality, people exaggerate it or make it bigger.
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3/16/2014 11:13:29 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/16/2014 11:06:41 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:

Yeah, and how did Elsa's family come to power? And, why was there no king after the king and queen died? /sarcasm

Why is that important?
It is what it is.

I guess you have a point. Nevertheless, I was very curious about them and wanted to know more about them, which was why it bothered me that they were not explained. I realize others may not share my frustrations :P

How about this? Why didn't the trolls give Anna back her original memories or explain more about her sister that she didn't understand the second time she came to them?
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3/16/2014 11:33:56 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
All right Khaos, I'll explain it better. Your problem with this movie is largely that you have a sort of OCD when it comes to the state and all things state. It's all about control for you - the control of others, as simply beasts. This movie puts forward love as something godly, something that transcends all the bullsh*t, something that's the simple answer to all the ills of the world. That's was the point, and you don't just know that right from the very beginning, but have to grow to know it.
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3/16/2014 11:37:36 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
That bit where she had the clock between her legs was really her having a cock between her legs, btw. The parts where she was throwing herself into pictures was porn, and when that statue head landed on the cake that was to tell of a fling with a transsexual. Hilarious, I thought.
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3/16/2014 11:44:28 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/16/2014 10:29:16 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 3/16/2014 10:11:33 AM, GodChoosesLife wrote:
How do you not like the movie lol? You wouldn't be the first though. I've met a few others who don't like it. But maybe don't try over analyzing the plot of it rather try learning something from it. You can learn things from practically anything but that's if your willing to put pride aside and choose to will to learn. It's not hard. It's pretty fun learning new things. And it's always interesting to see what kind of person the makers of the films are.

And what did you learn?
What did you perceive as the moral?

Some things I already knew actually. To not trust just anyone, never engage in a relationship with a guy so fast, never be disloyal or unloving to my siblings, stand up with courage to what I believe and not have a care in the world what anyone else thinks, ... Shall I continue?...
Better than deserved, as ALWAYS.
"The strongest principle of growth lies in human choices."
"The Lord doesn't promise us a perfect life that is free of problems, but he does promise that He'll get us through anything." ~SweeTea
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"If Jesus isn't in heaven, then it's not heaven; instead, it's hell." ~anonymous
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"Tell me what consumes your heart most, and I'll tell you who your God is." ~Dad
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3/16/2014 11:45:33 AM
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At 3/16/2014 11:37:36 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:
That bit where she had the clock between her legs was really her having a cock between her legs, btw. The parts where she was throwing herself into pictures was porn, and when that statue head landed on the cake that was to tell of a fling with a transsexual. Hilarious, I thought.

Very.......interesting interpretation...
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3/16/2014 11:46:25 AM
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At 3/16/2014 10:35:38 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:
GodChoosesLife is a ridiculous person trying to navigate life with niceties. Her "learning" is a pretense, probably taken from daddy who so loves to preach his ridiculousness.

Hmmmm, being nice is just my way of being tolerant, k?
And because I know it's civil and the right thing to do.
I make my own decisions ... Just to clarify your accusations :)
Better than deserved, as ALWAYS.
"The strongest principle of growth lies in human choices."
"The Lord doesn't promise us a perfect life that is free of problems, but he does promise that He'll get us through anything." ~SweeTea
"Good Times" ~ Max
"If Jesus isn't in heaven, then it's not heaven; instead, it's hell." ~anonymous
"Suffering is unimaginably confusing, but it's a way to be drawn closer to God" ~Me
"Tell me what consumes your heart most, and I'll tell you who your God is." ~Dad
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3/16/2014 11:46:50 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/16/2014 10:36:21 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:
I say that with no malice btw, but with sincerity.

Awh I've made you self conscious about being malicious lol
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3/16/2014 11:47:35 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/16/2014 11:45:33 AM, Defro wrote:
At 3/16/2014 11:37:36 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:
That bit where she had the clock between her legs was really her having a cock between her legs, btw. The parts where she was throwing herself into pictures was porn, and when that statue head landed on the cake that was to tell of a fling with a transsexual. Hilarious, I thought.


Very.......interesting interpretation...

It's not just an interpretation, it's what it was. Lots of people try to fill the void in their life with sex, before coming to know love.
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3/16/2014 12:24:46 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/16/2014 11:46:50 AM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 3/16/2014 10:36:21 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:
I say that with no malice btw, but with sincerity.

Awh I've made you self conscious about being malicious lol

You couldn't be anymore off my radar dude.
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3/16/2014 12:25:45 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/16/2014 11:46:25 AM, GodChoosesLife wrote:
At 3/16/2014 10:35:38 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:
GodChoosesLife is a ridiculous person trying to navigate life with niceties. Her "learning" is a pretense, probably taken from daddy who so loves to preach his ridiculousness.

Hmmmm, being nice is just my way of being tolerant, k?
And because I know it's civil and the right thing to do.
I make my own decisions ... Just to clarify your accusations :)

Sure you do. You very clearly seek positive attention in your actions.
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3/16/2014 12:29:27 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/16/2014 12:25:45 PM, AnDoctuir wrote:
At 3/16/2014 11:46:25 AM, GodChoosesLife wrote:
At 3/16/2014 10:35:38 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:
GodChoosesLife is a ridiculous person trying to navigate life with niceties. Her "learning" is a pretense, probably taken from daddy who so loves to preach his ridiculousness.

Hmmmm, being nice is just my way of being tolerant, k?
And because I know it's civil and the right thing to do.
I make my own decisions ... Just to clarify your accusations :)

Sure you do. You very clearly seek positive attention in your actions.

Do I really? -.-
I mean I'm just as proned as you and others to make some form of mistake, right?
I'm not better than you or anyone else. So please, quit making assumptions.
Better than deserved, as ALWAYS.
"The strongest principle of growth lies in human choices."
"The Lord doesn't promise us a perfect life that is free of problems, but he does promise that He'll get us through anything." ~SweeTea
"Good Times" ~ Max
"If Jesus isn't in heaven, then it's not heaven; instead, it's hell." ~anonymous
"Suffering is unimaginably confusing, but it's a way to be drawn closer to God" ~Me
"Tell me what consumes your heart most, and I'll tell you who your God is." ~Dad
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3/16/2014 12:30:53 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/16/2014 12:29:27 PM, GodChoosesLife wrote:
At 3/16/2014 12:25:45 PM, AnDoctuir wrote:
At 3/16/2014 11:46:25 AM, GodChoosesLife wrote:
At 3/16/2014 10:35:38 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:
GodChoosesLife is a ridiculous person trying to navigate life with niceties. Her "learning" is a pretense, probably taken from daddy who so loves to preach his ridiculousness.

Hmmmm, being nice is just my way of being tolerant, k?
And because I know it's civil and the right thing to do.
I make my own decisions ... Just to clarify your accusations :)

Sure you do. You very clearly seek positive attention in your actions.

Do I really? -.-
I mean I'm just as proned as you and others to make some form of mistake, right?
I'm not better than you or anyone else. So please, quit making assumptions.

Oh shut up already.
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3/16/2014 12:32:20 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/16/2014 12:30:53 PM, AnDoctuir wrote:
At 3/16/2014 12:29:27 PM, GodChoosesLife wrote:
At 3/16/2014 12:25:45 PM, AnDoctuir wrote:
At 3/16/2014 11:46:25 AM, GodChoosesLife wrote:
At 3/16/2014 10:35:38 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:
GodChoosesLife is a ridiculous person trying to navigate life with niceties. Her "learning" is a pretense, probably taken from daddy who so loves to preach his ridiculousness.

Hmmmm, being nice is just my way of being tolerant, k?
And because I know it's civil and the right thing to do.
I make my own decisions ... Just to clarify your accusations :)

Sure you do. You very clearly seek positive attention in your actions.

Do I really? -.-
I mean I'm just as proned as you and others to make some form of mistake, right?
I'm not better than you or anyone else. So please, quit making assumptions.

Oh shut up already.

Sure.
Better than deserved, as ALWAYS.
"The strongest principle of growth lies in human choices."
"The Lord doesn't promise us a perfect life that is free of problems, but he does promise that He'll get us through anything." ~SweeTea
"Good Times" ~ Max
"If Jesus isn't in heaven, then it's not heaven; instead, it's hell." ~anonymous
"Suffering is unimaginably confusing, but it's a way to be drawn closer to God" ~Me
"Tell me what consumes your heart most, and I'll tell you who your God is." ~Dad