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8/26/2015 7:11:13 AM
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The new Star Wars villain is not a Sith. Personally, I very much dislike the direction this goes. Sith are a staple of the Star Wars diet, and fighting them is a constant. Shaking things up like this disrupts the Jedi-Sith dynamic in a bad way. What are your thoughts?

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8/26/2015 7:13:09 AM
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Jedi and Sith aren't the only groups...this could be interesting (more complex world = more fun).
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8/26/2015 7:20:40 AM
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At 8/26/2015 7:13:09 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
Jedi and Sith aren't the only groups...this could be interesting (more complex world = more fun).

Sure, you have the Nigh Sisters and the Baran Do for starters, but those other groups are, and have always been, sideshows. I think because other groups are present already, adding one more doesn't demonstrably grow the complexity of the universe, but it does detract from one of the main themes and constants of the franchise. The Jedi-Sith opposition is one of the defining elements of Star Wars. Take that away and what you have is less than Star Wars...it's Star Wars minus a key facet. This is just Abrams doing is own thing just to do his own thing; it's asinine.
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8/26/2015 10:36:54 AM
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At 8/26/2015 7:11:13 AM, bsh1 wrote:
The new Star Wars villain is not a Sith. Personally, I very much dislike the direction this goes. Sith are a staple of the Star Wars diet, and fighting them is a constant. Shaking things up like this disrupts the Jedi-Sith dynamic in a bad way. What are your thoughts?

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If the villain is Jedi, it'd prove my D&G theory :P
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8/26/2015 12:29:13 PM
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At 8/26/2015 7:11:13 AM, bsh1 wrote:
The new Star Wars villain is not a Sith.

Thanks Obama
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8/26/2015 4:41:43 PM
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At 8/26/2015 10:36:54 AM, tejretics wrote:
At 8/26/2015 7:11:13 AM, bsh1 wrote:
The new Star Wars villain is not a Sith. Personally, I very much dislike the direction this goes. Sith are a staple of the Star Wars diet, and fighting them is a constant. Shaking things up like this disrupts the Jedi-Sith dynamic in a bad way. What are your thoughts?

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If the villain is Jedi, it'd prove my D&G theory :P

What theory? And, the villain isn't a Jedi either...apparently he's a member of some force cult of darkish but not Sith-level dark beings called the Knights of Ren, or something like that.
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8/26/2015 4:43:57 PM
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At 8/26/2015 2:44:16 PM, XLAV wrote:
Cool. Star Wars is too goodvsevil4me.

Eh. I think Vader epitomizes shades of grey (in a non-kinky way). But, in other ways, Star Wars has benefited from its good vs. evil dynamic. Having that clarity is often what makes it a good or appealing narrative.
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8/26/2015 4:44:12 PM
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At 8/26/2015 12:29:13 PM, Illegalcombatant wrote:
At 8/26/2015 7:11:13 AM, bsh1 wrote:
The new Star Wars villain is not a Sith.

Thanks Obama

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8/26/2015 4:45:21 PM
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At 8/26/2015 7:11:13 AM, bsh1 wrote:
The new Star Wars villain is not a Sith. Personally, I very much dislike the direction this goes. Sith are a staple of the Star Wars diet, and fighting them is a constant. Shaking things up like this disrupts the Jedi-Sith dynamic in a bad way. What are your thoughts?

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WUT

Dats stupid, bruh. Sith = pwn
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8/26/2015 4:48:00 PM
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At 8/26/2015 4:45:21 PM, The-Voice-of-Truth wrote:
At 8/26/2015 7:11:13 AM, bsh1 wrote:
The new Star Wars villain is not a Sith. Personally, I very much dislike the direction this goes. Sith are a staple of the Star Wars diet, and fighting them is a constant. Shaking things up like this disrupts the Jedi-Sith dynamic in a bad way. What are your thoughts?

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WUT

Dats stupid, bruh. Sith = pwn

Rofl. Succinct, but accurate.
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8/26/2015 4:49:25 PM
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At 8/26/2015 4:48:00 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 8/26/2015 4:45:21 PM, The-Voice-of-Truth wrote:
At 8/26/2015 7:11:13 AM, bsh1 wrote:
The new Star Wars villain is not a Sith. Personally, I very much dislike the direction this goes. Sith are a staple of the Star Wars diet, and fighting them is a constant. Shaking things up like this disrupts the Jedi-Sith dynamic in a bad way. What are your thoughts?

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WUT

Dats stupid, bruh. Sith = pwn

Rofl. Succinct, but accurate.

That's the whole point of debating, lol. Straight to the point and clear.
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8/26/2015 4:50:46 PM
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At 8/26/2015 7:11:13 AM, bsh1 wrote:
The new Star Wars villain is not a Sith. Personally, I very much dislike the direction this goes. Sith are a staple of the Star Wars diet, and fighting them is a constant. Shaking things up like this disrupts the Jedi-Sith dynamic in a bad way. What are your thoughts?

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It should be an Ewok.
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8/26/2015 4:52:13 PM
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At 8/26/2015 4:50:46 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 8/26/2015 7:11:13 AM, bsh1 wrote:
The new Star Wars villain is not a Sith. Personally, I very much dislike the direction this goes. Sith are a staple of the Star Wars diet, and fighting them is a constant. Shaking things up like this disrupts the Jedi-Sith dynamic in a bad way. What are your thoughts?

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It should be an Ewok.

OMG...That would be amazing...!
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8/26/2015 4:55:23 PM
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At 8/26/2015 7:11:13 AM, bsh1 wrote:
The new Star Wars villain is not a Sith. Personally, I very much dislike the direction this goes. Sith are a staple of the Star Wars diet, and fighting them is a constant. Shaking things up like this disrupts the Jedi-Sith dynamic in a bad way. What are your thoughts?

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Not only that but the protagonist isn't a Jedi.
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8/26/2015 5:01:25 PM
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At 8/26/2015 4:55:23 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 8/26/2015 7:11:13 AM, bsh1 wrote:
The new Star Wars villain is not a Sith. Personally, I very much dislike the direction this goes. Sith are a staple of the Star Wars diet, and fighting them is a constant. Shaking things up like this disrupts the Jedi-Sith dynamic in a bad way. What are your thoughts?

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Not only that but the protagonist isn't a Jedi.

THIS ISN'T STAR WARS! AAAAGGGGHHH!
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8/26/2015 5:12:53 PM
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At 8/26/2015 5:01:25 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 8/26/2015 4:55:23 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 8/26/2015 7:11:13 AM, bsh1 wrote:
The new Star Wars villain is not a Sith. Personally, I very much dislike the direction this goes. Sith are a staple of the Star Wars diet, and fighting them is a constant. Shaking things up like this disrupts the Jedi-Sith dynamic in a bad way. What are your thoughts?

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Not only that but the protagonist isn't a Jedi.

THIS ISN'T STAR WARS! AAAAGGGGHHH!

To be fair, though, they literally couldn't use another Sith villain. Anakin brought balance to the Force by causing the extinction of the Sith (which he accomplished by killing Sidious and then dying, since there are as a rule only two Sith at any given moment).
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8/26/2015 5:14:20 PM
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At 8/26/2015 5:12:53 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 8/26/2015 5:01:25 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 8/26/2015 4:55:23 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 8/26/2015 7:11:13 AM, bsh1 wrote:
The new Star Wars villain is not a Sith. Personally, I very much dislike the direction this goes. Sith are a staple of the Star Wars diet, and fighting them is a constant. Shaking things up like this disrupts the Jedi-Sith dynamic in a bad way. What are your thoughts?

https://www.yahoo.com...

Not only that but the protagonist isn't a Jedi.

THIS ISN'T STAR WARS! AAAAGGGGHHH!

To be fair, though, they literally couldn't use another Sith villain. Anakin brought balance to the Force by causing the extinction of the Sith (which he accomplished by killing Sidious and then dying, since there are as a rule only two Sith at any given moment).

Balance =/= extinction of the Sith. Have you read the extended universe?
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8/26/2015 5:15:54 PM
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At 8/26/2015 5:14:20 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 8/26/2015 5:12:53 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 8/26/2015 5:01:25 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 8/26/2015 4:55:23 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 8/26/2015 7:11:13 AM, bsh1 wrote:
The new Star Wars villain is not a Sith. Personally, I very much dislike the direction this goes. Sith are a staple of the Star Wars diet, and fighting them is a constant. Shaking things up like this disrupts the Jedi-Sith dynamic in a bad way. What are your thoughts?

https://www.yahoo.com...

Not only that but the protagonist isn't a Jedi.

THIS ISN'T STAR WARS! AAAAGGGGHHH!

To be fair, though, they literally couldn't use another Sith villain. Anakin brought balance to the Force by causing the extinction of the Sith (which he accomplished by killing Sidious and then dying, since there are as a rule only two Sith at any given moment).

Balance =/= extinction of the Sith. Have you read the extended universe?

No. I know about the events from the Force Unleashed video game, but presumably that was a failure, seeing as how there was no Starkiller clone shown in the original trilogy.
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8/26/2015 5:39:54 PM
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At 8/26/2015 7:11:13 AM, bsh1 wrote:
The new Star Wars villain is not a Sith. Personally, I very much dislike the direction this goes. Sith are a staple of the Star Wars diet, and fighting them is a constant. Shaking things up like this disrupts the Jedi-Sith dynamic in a bad way. What are your thoughts?

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I like the development. The Jedi/Sith Dynamic does present a false dichotomy. I think the concept of other options is a good development.
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8/26/2015 5:51:02 PM
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At 8/26/2015 5:39:54 PM, kasmic wrote:
At 8/26/2015 7:11:13 AM, bsh1 wrote:
The new Star Wars villain is not a Sith. Personally, I very much dislike the direction this goes. Sith are a staple of the Star Wars diet, and fighting them is a constant. Shaking things up like this disrupts the Jedi-Sith dynamic in a bad way. What are your thoughts?

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I like the development. The Jedi/Sith Dynamic does present a false dichotomy. I think the concept of other options is a good development.

I think it's too far away from what Star Wars is. You need certain constants in the series, and the Jedi-Sith dynamic is one of those.
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8/26/2015 6:21:19 PM
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At 8/26/2015 7:11:13 AM, bsh1 wrote:
The new Star Wars villain is not a Sith. Personally, I very much dislike the direction this goes. Sith are a staple of the Star Wars diet, and fighting them is a constant. Shaking things up like this disrupts the Jedi-Sith dynamic in a bad way. What are your thoughts?

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I generally detest one dimensional evil for the sake of being evil villains like Sidious, so this is a positive IMO. It offers opportunity to have a villain with more complex and intriguing motivations.

Besides, this whole "Sith" crap originated in the EU and and made its way into the films alongside the midichlorian nonsense, Yoda not being Obiwan's teacher and the litany of other plot holes that go against the original trilogy. The more we move away from that, the better.
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8/26/2015 11:26:32 PM
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8/28/2015 7:13:21 PM
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At 8/26/2015 6:21:19 PM, Logical-Master wrote:
At 8/26/2015 7:11:13 AM, bsh1 wrote:
The new Star Wars villain is not a Sith. Personally, I very much dislike the direction this goes. Sith are a staple of the Star Wars diet, and fighting them is a constant. Shaking things up like this disrupts the Jedi-Sith dynamic in a bad way. What are your thoughts?

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I generally detest one dimensional evil for the sake of being evil villains like Sidious, so this is a positive IMO. It offers opportunity to have a villain with more complex and intriguing motivations.

I actually think that the presence of poles is useful for several reasons. It creates clear characters to hate and to love, and the mere fact that they are wholly evil or wholly good doesn't necessarily diminish their interestingness. Sidious is perhaps one of the most fascinating characters in the series--his ability to play the role of Palpatine and to manipulate the Jedi so devious is both fascinating and terrifying to witness. Additionally, the presence of pure evil and pure good helps to contrast what is in-between. The Sith and the Jedi felt almost to be dueling elements of Anakin's being. Anakin was certainly a grey character, and it was interesting to see how the poles acted on him; it created for a compelling narrative.

Besides, this whole "Sith" crap originated in the EU and and made its way into the films alongside the midichlorian nonsense

The midichlorian "nonsense" was not particularly compelling, IMO. But, I disagree that the concept of the "Sith" was crap.

Yoda not being Obiwan's teacher and the litany of other plot holes that go against the original trilogy. The more we move away from that, the better.

That plot hole was patched. Yoda identifies himself as a teacher for all Jedi, was actively (though no primarily) involved in the training on many Jedi, and worked particularly closely with younglings. It's fair of him to be identified as Obi-Wan's teacher, despite not having bee his master.
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8/29/2015 11:30:40 AM
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I feared when Disney bought the franchise there was a good chance of losing the genuineness of the Star Wars universe we love. I truly think most of us will end up preferring the extended universe to Disney's canon. And I'm a little peeved that Disney has the say over other Star Wars enterprises, like the game SWTOR's future content. Go back to Star Trek, Abrams.
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8/31/2015 12:58:13 AM
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At 8/26/2015 4:52:13 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 8/26/2015 4:50:46 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 8/26/2015 7:11:13 AM, bsh1 wrote:
The new Star Wars villain is not a Sith. Personally, I very much dislike the direction this goes. Sith are a staple of the Star Wars diet, and fighting them is a constant. Shaking things up like this disrupts the Jedi-Sith dynamic in a bad way. What are your thoughts?

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It should be an Ewok.

OMG...That would be amazing...!

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8/31/2015 12:59:15 AM
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At 8/31/2015 12:58:13 AM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
At 8/26/2015 4:52:13 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 8/26/2015 4:50:46 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 8/26/2015 7:11:13 AM, bsh1 wrote:
The new Star Wars villain is not a Sith. Personally, I very much dislike the direction this goes. Sith are a staple of the Star Wars diet, and fighting them is a constant. Shaking things up like this disrupts the Jedi-Sith dynamic in a bad way. What are your thoughts?

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It should be an Ewok.

OMG...That would be amazing...!

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8/31/2015 1:02:05 AM
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At 8/26/2015 4:43:57 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 8/26/2015 2:44:16 PM, XLAV wrote:
Cool. Star Wars is too goodvsevil4me.

Eh. I think Vader epitomizes shades of grey (in a non-kinky way). But, in other ways, Star Wars has benefited from its good vs. evil dynamic. Having that clarity is often what makes it a good or appealing narrative.

Was Thrawn not Star Wars because he wasn't a Sith? Was C'Boath not Star Wars because he was a Jedi?
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At 8/31/2015 2:18:06 AM, Epica wrote:
I hope the new villain is the borg.

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