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Frank Zappa(And the motherfvckers too)

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1/28/2011 5:16:48 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Probably one of those artists that you really have to be a musician, a composer, or a recreational user of chemical amusement aid to appreciate fully but uh....

Seriously, this guy was a genius.

Any one else out there like Zappa, or am I alone on this one?

(inb4 someone mentions another band that they think is better or comparable)

You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore series will make you sh!t bricks. Volume 2 is a great one, volume 3 is also mind meltingly impossible(Drowning Witch alone will asplode your face)

Anyway, since there are like no good Zappa videos on youtube, I'm just going to leave this particular piece here that I always liked...
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1/28/2011 9:01:45 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Here is something a little bit different.

A guitar dual and duet between Frank Zappa and Steve Vai.

Steve Vai is arguably the most technically skilled guitarist living on the planet right now. Zappa put him in his band to basically play the written out parts that were too hard for Zappa himself to actually play. So what you have here is a battle between skill and soul. It's pretty cool.
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1/30/2011 8:48:13 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
Zappas alright in my opinion. I appreciate the complexity of some of the stuff he wrote and he definately always had best of the best musicians in his band and was a good guitarists himself. Most of his stuff just never really caught my ear, it was interesting to listen too but nothing I had an interest in repeatedly listening to.

That being said, I probably haven't listen too a huge range of his stuff. I have Overnight Sensation, Apostrophe, and some greatest hits CD and a DVD called Baby Snakes that is a live performance.
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1/30/2011 9:37:41 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Yeah, the guy released over 60 albums in his lifetime, he was making music constantly.

Overnite Sensation and Apostrophe are alright albums(Apostrophe was my first Zappa album), but the really good stuff is in the YCDTOSA series(basically the live stuff). Joe's Garage is one of the better studio albums, I can sing along with the whole album.

I'm surprised you wouldn't find anything worth re-listening too though.

Speaking of Joe's Garage, this track is great
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2/2/2011 12:02:29 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
Did I mention that Zappa is brilliant at improvisation?
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2/2/2011 12:04:30 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
Zappa was unique. Not easy listening but undoubtedly a great musician.
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2/2/2011 12:11:31 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
Quote from another great composer of the 20th century....

"Beauty in music is too often confused with something that lets the ear lie back in an easy chair. Many sounds that we are used to do not bother us, and for that reason we are inclined to call them beautiful. Frequently -- possibly almost invariably -- analytical and impersonal test will show that when a new or unfamiliar work is accepted as beautiful on its first hearing, its fundamental quality is one that tends to put the mind to sleep." - Charles Ives

Though, this is pretty easy to listen to if you ask me..

Some more of his classical music, just like that first one I posted.
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2/2/2011 12:34:10 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
Some of the orchestral stuff that Zappa made was just... incredible.

He really was a classical composer disguised as a rock guitarist.

Skip to 3:04 in this video, and listen till the end. If you aren't convinced that Zappa is the most underrated classical composer of the last century, you are a boob.

Seriously, he isn't even mentioned in classical music encyclopedias. You've got your Webern, Schoenberg, you've got Charles Ives, even John Cage, and who could miss Stravinsky.. But Zappa? Hell no, that ugly fvck would dare to play rock music, and write songs with lyrics of a borderline pornographic nature. Zappa's nose isn't high enough in the air for him to be respected as a classical composer.

Zappa is to the 20th century as Bach was in his time. No one gave a sh!t about Bach until not quite 100 years after his death. Future generations of composers will realize how amazing this stuff is.

The Yellow Shark was an amazing concert, but if you are really looking for impossible, no music that sounds remotely even like it.. Civilization Phaze III, the last album Zappa made before he died... Yeah, it'll leave permanent stains in your pants.
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2/3/2011 1:31:09 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
"Beauty in music is too often confused with something that lets the ear lie back in an easy chair. Many sounds that we are used to do not bother us, and for that reason we are inclined to call them beautiful. Frequently -- possibly almost invariably -- analytical and impersonal test will show that when a new or unfamiliar work is accepted as beautiful on its first hearing, its fundamental quality is one that tends to put the mind to sleep." - Charles Ives

I know what he is trying to say although I don't necessarily think he is right. If a sound "bothers" me of course I don't find it beautiful. I intentionally expose myself to wide varieties of music, some new stuff I love, some I can't decide, and some I don't like. Doesn't mean me or that music is wrong, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

A great example: I was listening to NPR last night driving home and they had Performance Today on, a show that showcases classical music. I listen to it every now and again because it is a huge genre I don't really listen to. After 5 minutes of discussing some Russian composer and how his music was comical and playful they played a piece. I didn't like it even though it is a renowned classical piece.

That got me to thinking: of the classical music I like all of it is the more dark and ominous sounding pieces. I don't really like the comical or playful pieces for whatever reason. After rereading this thread that is probably the reason Zappa never caught my ear, most of his writing has that same quality.

The same is not necessarily true for me in all genres of music though. I like Primus who definately has a little bit of a comical style. I like plenty of music that isn't dark and ominous because I like a lot of jazz and motown (its not like I am just into metal, in fact I can't stand a lot of metal).

And I think an important flipside is this: musicians tend to like a lot of stuff non-musicians don't. They do this because the appreciate the complexity, technical difficulty, etc of the music and not because it is beautiful. It is more attractive to our ears because we are tying to figure out what is going on or how they did that and not because it is inherently beautiful. Examples of that abound as well.
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2/3/2011 3:40:43 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
I know what he is trying to say although I don't necessarily think he is right. If a sound "bothers" me of course I don't find it beautiful. I intentionally expose myself to wide varieties of music, some new stuff I love, some I can't decide, and some I don't like. Doesn't mean me or that music is wrong, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

It is subjective. There isn't anything really pretentious about this statement even.. Hell, I like the Blues. You can't get simpler than the blues, it's basically 3 chords, soul power, and attitude. It's boring from an analytical standpoint, but if you like the sound of it, hey.

At the opposite side of the spectrum, there is some music that is hard to listen to right away, and no matter how many times I try to listen to it, I will still think it is garbage. I can't stand grindcore kind of stuff. I can't stand J-pop. Smooth Jazz makes me want to stab people(ironic since it is probably meant to give the opposite reaction. hah)

But aye, the old saying "There is no accounting for taste" reigns true.

A great example: I was listening to NPR last night driving home and they had Performance Today on, a show that showcases classical music. I listen to it every now and again because it is a huge genre I don't really listen to. After 5 minutes of discussing some Russian composer and how his music was comical and playful they played a piece. I didn't like it even though it is a renowned classical piece.

That got me to thinking: of the classical music I like all of it is the more dark and ominous sounding pieces. I don't really like the comical or playful pieces for whatever reason. After rereading this thread that is probably the reason Zappa never caught my ear, most of his writing has that same quality.

Zappa wasn't a very serious guy. Even though he was a very productive composer, and made a ridiculous amount of music, humor pretty much pervades every corner of it. Zappa's music often times made fun of itself. He would take stylistic and genre cliches and play them in a way that pointed out their absurdity. That's part of his appeal to me though. Anyone can take a piece of paper, and write something that is impossible to play. Why be pretentious about it? Even though Zappa made some of the most complicated and difficult music ever composed, he did it while wiggling his eyebrows suggestively.

The same is not necessarily true for me in all genres of music though. I like Primus who definately has a little bit of a comical style. I like plenty of music that isn't dark and ominous because I like a lot of jazz and motown (its not like I am just into metal, in fact I can't stand a lot of metal).


And I think an important flipside is this: musicians tend to like a lot of stuff non-musicians don't. They do this because the appreciate the complexity, technical difficulty, etc of the music and not because it is beautiful. It is more attractive to our ears because we are tying to figure out what is going on or how they did that and not because it is inherently beautiful. Examples of that abound as well.

Complexity has its own texture. I don't care about analyzing music. Even though I myself am both a musician and a composer, there is amazingly complex stuff that just doesn't grab my attention.

Though, I will say that I have a preference for rhythmically dense and chaotic music. A rhythmically interesting piece doesn't even need a complicated harmony to gauge my interest. Indian Sitar music is beautiful to me, and it only really uses a drone as harmony. It is melodically beautiful though.
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2/12/2011 8:53:30 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
When I played this to my brother, he described it as a blues guitar solo from the loneliest man on Earth.

Seriously though, this thing oozes with soul.
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2/13/2011 1:36:33 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Does have a blues sound too it but a little up beat to really get all of the blues feel. A little to repetitive in feel for a 5 minute long piece guitar solo in my opinion.
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2/13/2011 2:46:38 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 2/13/2011 1:36:33 PM, Floid wrote:
Does have a blues sound too it but a little up beat to really get all of the blues feel. A little to repetitive in feel for a 5 minute long piece guitar solo in my opinion.

Well, that's how my brother described it, not me. ;p

Repetitive in feel, maybe, but I've yet to see a guitarist go so long on one type of feel for such an extended period of time and make it sound so interesting.
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2/23/2011 10:45:27 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
This is what a mothers concert in the 60s sounded like. Hah XD
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9/6/2011 10:02:19 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
I have to revive this topic, because Frank Zappa is the sh!t.

I'm listening to "You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore Volume 4" right now, and the "Brown Moses and Evil Prince" medley is out of this world.

It's a shame that all of Zappa's really good sh!t is hard to find on youtube. If you want to listen, but are too cheap of a fvcker to buy the album before listening, I would recommend finding torrents. If you like the album, buy that sh!t, because even though Zappa is dead.. um... his.. spirit lives on, and craves money.

...

For some reason, the "YCDTOSA" series is a lot harder to find on youtube, but I think that the quality of the music is infinitely better than the studio albums.

Seriously, Thing Fish was a sh!t album in my opinion. However, the live performances of the album.. That's a different story.

Oh wait, holy shnap, I managed to find The Evil Prince that is featured on that album right here on youtube.

Does have the Brown Moses first part, but eeeeeh.
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11/6/2011 4:32:31 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
This interview is wtf.
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11/6/2011 5:09:52 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Might as well stick some good listenings in since I bumped the topic again....
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