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FREEDO
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3/3/2011 1:30:19 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
A complex game with simple rules.

There is no clear objective in the game. You could strive to collect as many chips as you can. You could strive to get trust-worthy people as much chips as you can. You could strive to be the most trust-worthy person. You could just strive to mess with people. You could strive for any combination of those, as well as anything else.

There are no sign-ups. The game is open to join.

The game has no foreseeable end.

Upon joining the game you receive 5 chips.

You may choose to give any number of chips to any person but you cannot choose the same person twice. So keep a good eye on who you and others interact with.

When you offer an amount to someone, the amount will double out of thin-air.

When you offer amount to someone, they have a choice. They can choose to keep it all, thus gaining more chips, or they can give some back, thus generating trust. The more they give back the more trust they will have from other people.

A person may gain a large amount of trust from everyone but then hit an amount offered where it is too tempting to turn down.

A person could actually reveal a game plan like "I will select one person randomly out of every five who give me an offer to keep all their chips, everyone else will get all but one chip back."

There are any number of strategies.
GRAND POOBAH OF DDO

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FREEDO
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3/3/2011 1:36:31 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
I shall claim this as my strategy, you can trust me or not:

I will randomly switch between keeping only one chip(the more you trust me with, the more you make) and keeping one chip less than half(you will make one chip).

I will never steal.
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m93samman
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3/3/2011 10:16:03 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
I offer FREEDO 5 chips.
: At 4/15/2011 5:29:37 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
: Pascal's wager is for poosies.
:
: I mean that sincerly, because it's basically an argument from poooosie.
:
: I'm pretty sure that's like a fallacy.. Argument ad Pussium or something like that.
Ore_Ele
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3/3/2011 10:24:01 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
So any offer, the chips will be doubled out of thin air.

Here is what I'll do, any chips that are offered to me, I will return all chips popped out of thin air, so the original person does not lose any. In return, I hope that others respond with the same kindness.

current chip count:5
people interacted with:0
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Ore_Ele
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3/3/2011 10:24:40 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
M93, I offer all 5 of my chips.

current chip count:5
people interacted with:0
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m93samman
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3/3/2011 10:33:34 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/3/2011 10:24:40 AM, OreEle wrote:
M93, I offer all 5 of my chips.

current chip count:5
people interacted with:0

My current chip count: 10
People interacted with: 2

OreEle, I offer you all 10 of my chips.
: At 4/15/2011 5:29:37 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
: Pascal's wager is for poosies.
:
: I mean that sincerly, because it's basically an argument from poooosie.
:
: I'm pretty sure that's like a fallacy.. Argument ad Pussium or something like that.
Ore_Ele
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3/3/2011 10:38:55 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/3/2011 10:33:34 AM, m93samman wrote:
At 3/3/2011 10:24:40 AM, OreEle wrote:
M93, I offer all 5 of my chips.

current chip count:5
people interacted with:0

My current chip count: 10
People interacted with: 2

OreEle, I offer you all 10 of my chips.

I think your original 5 coins are still in your possesion until Freedo accepts them. Did you choose to keep the coins that were created our of thin air (there would have been 5 of them)?

You should keep them all, then offer them all back and I'll return have, that will maximize both of our coin count.
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m93samman
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3/3/2011 10:43:55 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/3/2011 10:38:55 AM, OreEle wrote:
At 3/3/2011 10:33:34 AM, m93samman wrote:
At 3/3/2011 10:24:40 AM, OreEle wrote:
M93, I offer all 5 of my chips.

current chip count:5
people interacted with:0

My current chip count: 10
People interacted with: 2

OreEle, I offer you all 10 of my chips.

I think your original 5 coins are still in your possesion until Freedo accepts them. Did you choose to keep the coins that were created our of thin air (there would have been 5 of them)?

You should keep them all, then offer them all back and I'll return have, that will maximize both of our coin count.

Oh. In that case, forget what I said.

Current chip count: 5

I accept your chips, OreEle. However, so that FREEDO still has some chips to accept, I can't offer you all of mine; but I'll offer you the ones I got from you.

OreEle, I offer you 10 of my chips.

People interacted with: 2
: At 4/15/2011 5:29:37 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
: Pascal's wager is for poosies.
:
: I mean that sincerly, because it's basically an argument from poooosie.
:
: I'm pretty sure that's like a fallacy.. Argument ad Pussium or something like that.
Ore_Ele
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3/3/2011 10:53:37 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/3/2011 10:43:55 AM, m93samman wrote:
At 3/3/2011 10:38:55 AM, OreEle wrote:
At 3/3/2011 10:33:34 AM, m93samman wrote:
At 3/3/2011 10:24:40 AM, OreEle wrote:
M93, I offer all 5 of my chips.

current chip count:5
people interacted with:0

My current chip count: 10
People interacted with: 2

OreEle, I offer you all 10 of my chips.

I think your original 5 coins are still in your possesion until Freedo accepts them. Did you choose to keep the coins that were created our of thin air (there would have been 5 of them)?

You should keep them all, then offer them all back and I'll return have, that will maximize both of our coin count.

Oh. In that case, forget what I said.

Current chip count: 5

I accept your chips, OreEle. However, so that FREEDO still has some chips to accept, I can't offer you all of mine; but I'll offer you the ones I got from you.

OreEle, I offer you 10 of my chips.

People interacted with: 2

Okay, I accept the 10 chips, another 10 pop out of thin air. I return the 10 air chips and keep the original 10.

current chip count: 10
People interacted with: 1
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Ore_Ele
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3/3/2011 10:55:48 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
I'm going to change my strategy.

If someone wishes to do coin business, I will give all my coins, and they SHOULD KEEP THEM ALL, than offer them all back and I will return half. That will maximize coin-out-of-thin-air production.
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xxdarkxx
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3/3/2011 11:43:34 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/3/2011 10:55:48 AM, OreEle wrote:
I'm going to change my strategy.

If someone wishes to do coin business, I will give all my coins, and they SHOULD KEEP THEM ALL, than offer them all back and I will return half. That will maximize coin-out-of-thin-air production.

I offer you my 5 coins.

Current coins: 0
People Interacted with: 0
xxdarkxx
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3/3/2011 11:44:28 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
I'm going to essentially do the same thing that OreEle is doing.

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Current coins: 0
People Interacted with: 0
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Ore_Ele
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3/3/2011 12:08:54 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/3/2011 11:43:34 AM, xxdarkxx wrote:
At 3/3/2011 10:55:48 AM, OreEle wrote:
I'm going to change my strategy.

If someone wishes to do coin business, I will give all my coins, and they SHOULD KEEP THEM ALL, than offer them all back and I will return half. That will maximize coin-out-of-thin-air production.

I offer you my 5 coins.

Current coins: 0
People Interacted with: 0

I accept all 5 coins and keep the OOTA (out-of-thin-air) coins.

current coins: 20
People worked with: 2

I offer all 20 coins to xxdarkxx and make one request. May you keep the OOTA coins and return the original ones to me?
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m93samman
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3/3/2011 12:45:41 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Current chip count: 25, with 5 of them being offered to FREEDO.
: At 4/15/2011 5:29:37 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
: Pascal's wager is for poosies.
:
: I mean that sincerly, because it's basically an argument from poooosie.
:
: I'm pretty sure that's like a fallacy.. Argument ad Pussium or something like that.
xxdarkxx
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3/3/2011 1:13:41 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/3/2011 12:08:54 PM, OreEle wrote:
At 3/3/2011 11:43:34 AM, xxdarkxx wrote:
At 3/3/2011 10:55:48 AM, OreEle wrote:
I'm going to change my strategy.

If someone wishes to do coin business, I will give all my coins, and they SHOULD KEEP THEM ALL, than offer them all back and I will return half. That will maximize coin-out-of-thin-air production.

I offer you my 5 coins.

Current coins: 0
People Interacted with: 0

I accept all 5 coins and keep the OOTA (out-of-thin-air) coins.

current coins: 20
People worked with: 2

I offer all 20 coins to xxdarkxx and make one request. May you keep the OOTA coins and return the original ones to me?

Or we can make even more coins.

I accept the 20 offered plus the 20 OOTA coins.

Then offer you all 40, requesting you return the OOTA.

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Current coins: 0
People Interacted with: 1
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m93samman
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3/3/2011 1:18:54 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/3/2011 1:13:41 PM, xxdarkxx wrote:
At 3/3/2011 12:08:54 PM, OreEle wrote:

I offer all 20 coins to xxdarkxx and make one request. May you keep the OOTA coins and return the original ones to me?

Or we can make even more coins.

I accept the 20 offered plus the 20 OOTA coins.

Then offer you all 40, requesting you return the OOTA.

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Current coins: 0
People Interacted with: 1
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I offer xxdarkxx all 20 of my free coins.

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Current coins: 5, all being offered to FREEDO
People interacted with: 3
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: At 4/15/2011 5:29:37 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
: Pascal's wager is for poosies.
:
: I mean that sincerly, because it's basically an argument from poooosie.
:
: I'm pretty sure that's like a fallacy.. Argument ad Pussium or something like that.
Ore_Ele
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3/3/2011 1:25:41 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/3/2011 1:13:41 PM, xxdarkxx wrote:
At 3/3/2011 12:08:54 PM, OreEle wrote:
At 3/3/2011 11:43:34 AM, xxdarkxx wrote:
At 3/3/2011 10:55:48 AM, OreEle wrote:
I'm going to change my strategy.

If someone wishes to do coin business, I will give all my coins, and they SHOULD KEEP THEM ALL, than offer them all back and I will return half. That will maximize coin-out-of-thin-air production.

I offer you my 5 coins.

Current coins: 0
People Interacted with: 0

I accept all 5 coins and keep the OOTA (out-of-thin-air) coins.

current coins: 20
People worked with: 2

I offer all 20 coins to xxdarkxx and make one request. May you keep the OOTA coins and return the original ones to me?

Or we can make even more coins.

I accept the 20 offered plus the 20 OOTA coins.

Then offer you all 40, requesting you return the OOTA.

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Current coins: 0
People Interacted with: 1
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Unfortunately one of the rules are, "You may choose to give any number of chips to any person but you cannot choose the same person twice."
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FREEDO
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3/3/2011 2:54:28 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/3/2011 10:16:03 AM, m93samman wrote:
I offer FREEDO 5 chips.

I return 9.

Current chip count: 6
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xxdarkxx
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3/3/2011 3:11:39 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/3/2011 1:25:41 PM, OreEle wrote:
At 3/3/2011 1:13:41 PM, xxdarkxx wrote:
At 3/3/2011 12:08:54 PM, OreEle wrote:
At 3/3/2011 11:43:34 AM, xxdarkxx wrote:
At 3/3/2011 10:55:48 AM, OreEle wrote:
I'm going to change my strategy.

If someone wishes to do coin business, I will give all my coins, and they SHOULD KEEP THEM ALL, than offer them all back and I will return half. That will maximize coin-out-of-thin-air production.

I offer you my 5 coins.

Current coins: 0
People Interacted with: 0

I accept all 5 coins and keep the OOTA (out-of-thin-air) coins.

current coins: 20
People worked with: 2

I offer all 20 coins to xxdarkxx and make one request. May you keep the OOTA coins and return the original ones to me?

Or we can make even more coins.

I accept the 20 offered plus the 20 OOTA coins.

Then offer you all 40, requesting you return the OOTA.

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Current coins: 0
People Interacted with: 1
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Unfortunately one of the rules are, "You may choose to give any number of chips to any person but you cannot choose the same person twice."

OHHHH well in that case I can't even return the coins to you considering I already sent you some can I?

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Current coins: 40
People Interacted with: 1
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xxdarkxx
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3/3/2011 3:12:39 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/3/2011 1:18:54 PM, m93samman wrote:
At 3/3/2011 1:13:41 PM, xxdarkxx wrote:
At 3/3/2011 12:08:54 PM, OreEle wrote:

I offer all 20 coins to xxdarkxx and make one request. May you keep the OOTA coins and return the original ones to me?

Or we can make even more coins.

I accept the 20 offered plus the 20 OOTA coins.

Then offer you all 40, requesting you return the OOTA.

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Current coins: 0
People Interacted with: 1
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I offer xxdarkxx all 20 of my free coins.

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Current coins: 5, all being offered to FREEDO
People interacted with: 3
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I accept your 20 coins sending the 20 OOTA coins back.

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Current coins: 60
People Interacted with: 1
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FREEDO
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3/3/2011 3:22:10 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
If xxdarkxx gives me all his coins I will keep all and then offer him all of mine so he can split it in half.
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askbob
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3/3/2011 3:30:26 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Current Coins: 5

Accepting all coins. Am going to collect them all then double
Me -Phil left the site in my charge. I have a recorded phone conversation to prove it.
kohai -If you're the owner, then do something useful like ip block him and get us away from juggle and on a dofferent host!
Me -haha you apparently don't know my history
Kohai - Maybe not, but that doesn't matter! You shoukd still listen to your community and quit being a tyrrant!
Me - i was being completely sarcastic
Kohai - then u misrepresented yourself by impersonating the owner—a violation of the tos
Ore_Ele
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3/3/2011 3:34:49 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Anyone care to invest in a poor broke bum?

current coins: 0
People done business with: 2
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3/3/2011 3:39:48 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/3/2011 3:34:49 PM, OreEle wrote:
Anyone care to invest in a poor broke bum?

current coins: 0
People done business with: 2

I would but I have a current offer in motion involving all my coins.
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fnord
FREEDO
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3/3/2011 3:44:45 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/3/2011 3:39:48 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 3/3/2011 3:34:49 PM, OreEle wrote:
Anyone care to invest in a poor broke bum?

current coins: 0
People done business with: 2

I would but I have a current offer in motion involving all my coins.

Oh wait a second...nevermind.
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fnord