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4/30/2011 1:52:54 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
I crossed the river
Fell into the sea
Where the non-believers go beyond belief
Then I scratched the surface
In the mount of hell
Running out of service in the blood I fell

Well I, I just want to see the light!
And I, I don't want to lose my sight!
Well I, I just want to see the light!
And I, I need to know what's worth the fight!

I've been wasted
Pills and alcohol
I've been chasing
Down the pool halls
I drank the water from a hurricane
I set a fire just to see the flame

Well I, I just want to see the light!
And I, I don't want to lose my sight!
Well I, I just want to see the light!
And I, I need to know what's worth the fight!

I crossed the desert
Reaching higher ground
Then I pound the pavement to take the liars down
But it's gone forever,but never too late
Where the ever after is in the hands of fate

Well I, I just want to see the light!
And I, I don't want to lose my sight!
Well I, I just want to see the light!
And I, I need to know what's worth the fight!
: At 11/28/2011 1:28:24 PM, BlackVoid wrote:
: M. Torres said it, so it must be right.

I'm an Apatheistic Ignostic. ... problem? ;D

I believe in the heart of the cards. .:DDO Duelist:.
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4/30/2011 1:59:04 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
WINNERS:

Andromeda_Z
headphonegut
rogue
socialpinko
ccstate4peat
bluesteel
Johnicle
m93samman
OreEle
Marauder

Losers:
anarcholibertyman
lovelife
tvellalott
Danielle

Okay, I know Pinko was Mafia in the last DP. But that was because I wanted to give the Mafia one last shot. So YES. The last DP was kinda a waste, but you guys had it in the bag anyway. So, I am NOT going to cheat Social of a win just because I wanted Mafia to win. Seriously. Anyhow, I'll show all roles next, and then I'll offer a critique. Especially on myself.
: At 11/28/2011 1:28:24 PM, BlackVoid wrote:
: M. Torres said it, so it must be right.

I'm an Apatheistic Ignostic. ... problem? ;D

I believe in the heart of the cards. .:DDO Duelist:.
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4/30/2011 2:00:30 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
m93samman

Jesus of Suburbia

"I'm the son of rage and love!
The Jesus of Suburbia!"

You are Johnny, the fed up, angry, wanna-be punk who decides to just go off and run away from Jingletown! Regrettably though, you kinda suck since you have no idea what you want from life. You are Vanilla.

Secret Power: Any power or kill directed at St. Jimmy will be directed to you (I MESSED UP DP1 IN DOING THIS) because you are the same person.

You win with the town.
: At 11/28/2011 1:28:24 PM, BlackVoid wrote:
: M. Torres said it, so it must be right.

I'm an Apatheistic Ignostic. ... problem? ;D

I believe in the heart of the cards. .:DDO Duelist:.
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4/30/2011 2:05:23 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
bluesteel

St. Jimmy

"Cigarettes, and ramen, and a little bag of dope!
I am the son of a b!tch, and Edgar Allen Poe!"

YOU'RE THE G0DDAMNED SAINT JIMMY. You don't really exist, actually, but whatever. You're real to the Jesus of Suburbia. And you have such strong influence over him, that you get him high and sh!t - just cause it's fun. Be careful of that girl, Whatsername. She may get in the way of you and Johnny - and we we know you don't want that.

You have a secret PM with Johnny and have the choice to shoot him up with your drugs each night phase. Something good will happen - but so will something bad.

1st Night: Role-blocked, so 2nd Night had 1st Night effect.
2nd Night: You lose your vote, but gain Sensor.
3rd Night: Bulletproof
4th Night: Miller
5th Night: Whatsername will become Vanilla
6th Night: Jimmy will die

Secret Win Condition: If you and Johnny are the last townies alive, you win. Even if Mafia outnumber you.

You win with the town.


That was a stupid secret win condition. Lame idea that was left over. Bare in mind I designed this game around my 3rd ever Mafia game.
: At 11/28/2011 1:28:24 PM, BlackVoid wrote:
: M. Torres said it, so it must be right.

I'm an Apatheistic Ignostic. ... problem? ;D

I believe in the heart of the cards. .:DDO Duelist:.
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4/30/2011 2:07:47 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
Marauder

Whatsername

"She's a rebel, she's a saint!
She's the one that they call ol' Whatsername."

You are Whatsername. And unlike Jimmy, you actually ARE a Saint. So you're Doctor. Bless others with your kind hope and you'll protect them from death. You get to protect one player each night.

Secret Power: If you target Johnny, you cancel Jimmy's PM and his power.

You win with the town.
: At 11/28/2011 1:28:24 PM, BlackVoid wrote:
: M. Torres said it, so it must be right.

I'm an Apatheistic Ignostic. ... problem? ;D

I believe in the heart of the cards. .:DDO Duelist:.
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4/30/2011 2:08:17 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
rogue

Will

"Left me here alone... When I shoulda stayed home!
After ten cups of coffee I'm thinking..."

Life sucks for you man. You're ready to leave the town with Tunny and Johnny, and BAM. Turns out you knocked up Heather. Way to go. You're stoned all the time on your couch (lazy @ss) but at least you still write your friends letters. You're the Mason. You can recruit any player each Night Phase into a Mason PM (accessible during Night Phase as well as Day Phase). Beware as you CAN recruit Mafia - so watch out.

You win with the town.
: At 11/28/2011 1:28:24 PM, BlackVoid wrote:
: M. Torres said it, so it must be right.

I'm an Apatheistic Ignostic. ... problem? ;D

I believe in the heart of the cards. .:DDO Duelist:.
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4/30/2011 2:09:31 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
headphonegut

Tunny

"The 'rage and love' story of my life...
The Jesus of Suburbia is a lie."

So yeah. You hate Bush and all that crap. But being broke in the city in a cheap-@ss apartment with Johnny sucks too. So you go and join the military! Good man! You are the Vig and get one kill each night phase.

Secret Condition: On NP3, you lose your power, as a result of being injured in combat.

You win with the town.
: At 11/28/2011 1:28:24 PM, BlackVoid wrote:
: M. Torres said it, so it must be right.

I'm an Apatheistic Ignostic. ... problem? ;D

I believe in the heart of the cards. .:DDO Duelist:.
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4/30/2011 2:11:15 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
socialpinko

Heather

"He's talking sh!t about how it's better way back when
He lives every waking moment as a means to an end!"

Heather. Heather, Heather, Heather. Shoulda double-wrapped it before you tapped it. You got knocked up and so have to worry about pregnancy and crap. It sucks being a mother and having a boyfriend who is too stoned to do anything. You are the traitor and can be converted to the Mafia. But your baby doesn't make your life easy, does it? So you get lynched quicker than anyone else - Hated Traitor.

If you are killed by the Mafia, you are converted.

You win with the town until converted. If converted, you win with the Mafia.


I CHANGED THE CONDITION ON THE LAST NP. I simply made Pinko Mafia, just because I thought he might stand a chance. But he didn't... Ugh. Anyway. Moving on.
: At 11/28/2011 1:28:24 PM, BlackVoid wrote:
: M. Torres said it, so it must be right.

I'm an Apatheistic Ignostic. ... problem? ;D

I believe in the heart of the cards. .:DDO Duelist:.
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4/30/2011 2:12:40 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
Andromeda_Z

The Favorite Son

"His star was brightly shining like a neon light!
It's your favorite son!"

You are the Favorite Son. Perfect body, charismatic personality, all the right connections. You are quite the celebrity. You are the Politician and can change any player's vote during the DP (once). Heck, you're such a great guy that you're Popular too and it takes an extra vote to lynch you.

Secret Condition: On NP3, you lose your power as a result of being injured in combat.

You win with the town.
: At 11/28/2011 1:28:24 PM, BlackVoid wrote:
: M. Torres said it, so it must be right.

I'm an Apatheistic Ignostic. ... problem? ;D

I believe in the heart of the cards. .:DDO Duelist:.
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4/30/2011 2:14:27 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
Johnicle

Extraordinary Girl

"She's an extraordinary girl in an ordinary world
And she can't seem to get away..."

You are the hot, foreign, lustful, Morphine-induced wet dream that Tunny experiences while being drugged up before his amputation (isn't that lovely?) But here's the good part - each night you can select one person to investigate. However, instead of YOU getting the result, a random townie will be visited by you in a dream. They'll wake up after the night phase with the result of the investigation.

You win with the town.


THIS IS ONE PLACE WHERE I FVCKED UP. The reason being that ONLY townies could receive results. I wanted to make sure the Mafia couldn't get the investigation, but by saying they couldn't in the PM, I basically made a "double" cop. xP
: At 11/28/2011 1:28:24 PM, BlackVoid wrote:
: M. Torres said it, so it must be right.

I'm an Apatheistic Ignostic. ... problem? ;D

I believe in the heart of the cards. .:DDO Duelist:.
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4/30/2011 2:15:37 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
ccstate4peat

Christian

"I am the atom bomb, I am your chosen one
Toxin your reservoir and then return man to ape!"

Whoa, whoa. Calm down man. You are Christian - the energetic, determined hero of the 21st century breakdown. You are the leader of the Class of 13 and an explosive one at that! Unleash your inferno on ANYONE who tries to kill you. You are the bomb. But some consider your fury and kick-@ssness as extreme. So you appear guilty on investigation. That sucks.

Secret Power: You are so dedicated to Gloria, that if she is lynched, you will die and kill the hammer.

You win with the town.
: At 11/28/2011 1:28:24 PM, BlackVoid wrote:
: M. Torres said it, so it must be right.

I'm an Apatheistic Ignostic. ... problem? ;D

I believe in the heart of the cards. .:DDO Duelist:.
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4/30/2011 2:18:07 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
OreEle

Gloria

"She's a runaway of the establishment incorporated
She won't cooperate, well, she's the last of the American girls…"

You are the beautiful, inspiring Gloria. Your compassion is boundless. However, you are really quite fragile. You just want to escape the madness of rebellions and revolutions. You want peace more than anything, and are quite the runaway. You've gotten tough and keep your emotions in check. You are the Bulletproof.

Secret Power: Christian is so in love with you, that if you are lynched, his power will be activated.

You win with the town.
: At 11/28/2011 1:28:24 PM, BlackVoid wrote:
: M. Torres said it, so it must be right.

I'm an Apatheistic Ignostic. ... problem? ;D

I believe in the heart of the cards. .:DDO Duelist:.
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4/30/2011 2:18:33 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
The other Mafia roles and Jester roles were revealed in full.
: At 11/28/2011 1:28:24 PM, BlackVoid wrote:
: M. Torres said it, so it must be right.

I'm an Apatheistic Ignostic. ... problem? ;D

I believe in the heart of the cards. .:DDO Duelist:.
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4/30/2011 2:25:10 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
SELF-CRITIQUE:

Understand I designed this game SO early that there were bound to be flaws. FIRST OFF, I am doing a far more broad topic next time. I figured this one was easily researchable (Bluesteel, for example). But seriously, I SUPER-POWERED the Mafia and they STILL lost. If everyone had character-claimed DP1, the game would have been over quick. But habits won, and no one wanted to do that. lol

My biggest mistake was Johnicle's role. It works, but I'd have to also include Mafia so that it couldn't double-confirm. :P

And this just pisses me off, cause of something Blue said. He heard the claims of Christian and Gloria, and IMMEDIATELY assumed they were Town. My FIRST draft had this planned as American Idiot vs. 21st Century Breakdown. Had I done that, Blue would have TOTALLY fallen for it. The problem, however, is that had any of the characters from Breakdown died, anyone would have made the connection. :P

So yes. Many mistakes. But it was my first game. I hope that everyone gives me a second chance when I will make a better game. The experience gained from this was invaluable.

Player Critique's next.
: At 11/28/2011 1:28:24 PM, BlackVoid wrote:
: M. Torres said it, so it must be right.

I'm an Apatheistic Ignostic. ... problem? ;D

I believe in the heart of the cards. .:DDO Duelist:.
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4/30/2011 2:30:06 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
TOWNIE MVP:

Seriously you guys. You followed Blue like SHEEP. You better be glad he wasn't Mafia, cause he had you on his leash. M93 followed him blindly. And no one questioned him, ever. So Blue wins Townie MVP for leading everyone to an EASY victory. I wish Danielle hadn't died so early. I'm sure being Jester, she could have fvcked with Bluesteel enough to create SOME chaos. lol

TOWNIE LVP:

OreEle or CC. Neither contributed much at all.

MAFIA MVP:

TV. He had the most BS claim ever. Seriously guys, cops designed to find a SPECIFIC Mafia just don't exist. A regular Cop does that just as easily. I pulled an exact same claim in the News Anchor game and brought down the two strongest Townies because of it.

MAFIA LVP:

Anarcho. He acted like Mafia. It was too obvious. I appreciated his attempt at fake-claiming American Idiot though. But once again, Bluesteel led the cavalry. Sorry man.
: At 11/28/2011 1:28:24 PM, BlackVoid wrote:
: M. Torres said it, so it must be right.

I'm an Apatheistic Ignostic. ... problem? ;D

I believe in the heart of the cards. .:DDO Duelist:.
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4/30/2011 2:32:10 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
I would post all the night actions, but I'm tired, so I'm signing off.

Feel free to tell each other the night actions. I'll add more when I have more time. Any questions, please post them and I'll get to them ASAP.
: At 11/28/2011 1:28:24 PM, BlackVoid wrote:
: M. Torres said it, so it must be right.

I'm an Apatheistic Ignostic. ... problem? ;D

I believe in the heart of the cards. .:DDO Duelist:.
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4/30/2011 2:35:15 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
It wasn't dumb to think that Gloria and Christian were town, given lovelife had already died.

And yeah, I should have known immediately tv's role claim was bs, but all the secret powers and weird roles really threw me. He was definitely next on my suspicion list though after anarcho, but anarcho was a much more obvious target.

It may have been a last minute decision, but you made the characters in this game really predictable. The main 3 (Johnny, Will, Tunny) were obviously town. I got lucky no one suspected mine though.
You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into - Jonathan Swift (paraphrase)
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4/30/2011 2:36:06 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/30/2011 2:32:10 AM, M.Torres wrote:
I would post all the night actions, but I'm tired, so I'm signing off.

Feel free to tell each other the night actions. I'll add more when I have more time. Any questions, please post them and I'll get to them ASAP.

I don't remember - was there a no kill NP3? Was it b/c I was bulletproof.

Did lovelife us her role on me NP1?
You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into - Jonathan Swift (paraphrase)
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4/30/2011 2:37:39 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/30/2011 2:35:15 AM, bluesteel wrote:
It wasn't dumb to think that Gloria and Christian were town, given lovelife had already died.

And yeah, I should have known immediately tv's role claim was bs, but all the secret powers and weird roles really threw me. He was definitely next on my suspicion list though after anarcho, but anarcho was a much more obvious target.

It may have been a last minute decision, but you made the characters in this game really predictable. The main 3 (Johnny, Will, Tunny) were obviously town. I got lucky no one suspected mine though.

I was wondering, though, why no one suspected Mafia Mason. I thought Will would come under fire for being a druggie, but you convinced everyone I thought drugs were good (which wasn't a factor in deciding Town).

I guess I can't expect my first game to go perfect. :/
: At 11/28/2011 1:28:24 PM, BlackVoid wrote:
: M. Torres said it, so it must be right.

I'm an Apatheistic Ignostic. ... problem? ;D

I believe in the heart of the cards. .:DDO Duelist:.
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4/30/2011 2:38:46 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
lol, well I dunno if you think drugs are good, but my role clearly indicated no clear correlation between drugs and mafia. tv's character also made it more likely spinko was bad than rogue.
You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into - Jonathan Swift (paraphrase)
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4/30/2011 2:39:00 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/30/2011 2:36:06 AM, bluesteel wrote:
At 4/30/2011 2:32:10 AM, M.Torres wrote:
I would post all the night actions, but I'm tired, so I'm signing off.

Feel free to tell each other the night actions. I'll add more when I have more time. Any questions, please post them and I'll get to them ASAP.

I don't remember - was there a no kill NP3? Was it b/c I was bulletproof.

There was. And sadly, TV picked CC, who was Bomb. So all Mafia were killed by DP4.


Did lovelife us her role on me NP1?

Yes. She did.
: At 11/28/2011 1:28:24 PM, BlackVoid wrote:
: M. Torres said it, so it must be right.

I'm an Apatheistic Ignostic. ... problem? ;D

I believe in the heart of the cards. .:DDO Duelist:.
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4/30/2011 2:40:23 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
I liked my role; I think you came up with some intriguing things, but a few key mistakes killed it for the mafia:

you giving Johnicle role to me instead of m93 NP1 like you should have
Johnicle's role double confirming
too few available fake claims for mafia
You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into - Jonathan Swift (paraphrase)
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4/30/2011 2:42:03 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
I guess it's not completely your fault. Town got lucky as fvck as well, with mafia targeting the bomb and marauder saving me from lovelife.
You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into - Jonathan Swift (paraphrase)
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4/30/2011 3:13:11 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
Danielle was mafia? Huh?
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4/30/2011 2:45:45 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/30/2011 2:30:06 AM, M.Torres wrote:

Seriously you guys. You followed Blue like SHEEP.

I wasn't... I mean the fact that he was essentially confirmed made it easy to weigh his opinion higher. But he mentioned a special win condition. I thought this might mean turning into 3rd party half way through the game, so had we gotten down to 3 or 4 players, I would have gone after him.

But there were higher targets and we only disagreed with who was more likely to be mafia.
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4/30/2011 3:21:14 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/30/2011 3:13:11 AM, tvellalott wrote:
Danielle was mafia? Huh?

Jester.
: At 11/28/2011 1:28:24 PM, BlackVoid wrote:
: M. Torres said it, so it must be right.

I'm an Apatheistic Ignostic. ... problem? ;D

I believe in the heart of the cards. .:DDO Duelist:.
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4/30/2011 3:22:43 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/30/2011 2:40:23 AM, bluesteel wrote:
I liked my role; I think you came up with some intriguing things, but a few key mistakes killed it for the mafia:

you giving Johnicle role to me instead of m93 NP1 like you should have
Johnicle's role double confirming
too few available fake claims for mafia

I was considering making fake claims for them. But I thought at that point, it would have been WAY too overpowered. :/

Obviously, the mod's biggest challenge is making a balanced game.
: At 11/28/2011 1:28:24 PM, BlackVoid wrote:
: M. Torres said it, so it must be right.

I'm an Apatheistic Ignostic. ... problem? ;D

I believe in the heart of the cards. .:DDO Duelist:.
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4/30/2011 5:47:46 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Come on, I was following bluesteel blindly? You have to give me SOME credit for outing spinko. My plan at the very end was epic
: At 4/15/2011 5:29:37 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
: Pascal's wager is for poosies.
:
: I mean that sincerly, because it's basically an argument from poooosie.
:
: I'm pretty sure that's like a fallacy.. Argument ad Pussium or something like that.
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5/1/2011 12:14:13 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/30/2011 2:11:15 AM, M.Torres wrote:
socialpinko

Heather

"He's talking sh!t about how it's better way back when
He lives every waking moment as a means to an end!"

Heather. Heather, Heather, Heather. Shoulda double-wrapped it before you tapped it. You got knocked up and so have to worry about pregnancy and crap. It sucks being a mother and having a boyfriend who is too stoned to do anything. You are the traitor and can be converted to the Mafia. But your baby doesn't make your life easy, does it? So you get lynched quicker than anyone else - Hated Traitor.

If you are killed by the Mafia, you are converted.

You win with the town until converted. If converted, you win with the Mafia.


I CHANGED THE CONDITION ON THE LAST NP. I simply made Pinko Mafia, just because I thought he might stand a chance. But he didn't... Ugh. Anyway. Moving on.

why did you want mafia to win so bad?

and next time you want to just change the conditions of the game in the middle of it could you give my role god-powers instead of creating more mafia? that would be sooooo cool......
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5/1/2011 12:24:29 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/30/2011 2:30:06 AM, M.Torres wrote:
TOWNIE MVP:

Seriously you guys. You followed Blue like SHEEP. You better be glad he wasn't Mafia, cause he had you on his leash. M93 followed him blindly. And no one questioned him, ever. So Blue wins Townie MVP for leading everyone to an EASY victory. I wish Danielle hadn't died so early. I'm sure being Jester, she could have fvcked with Bluesteel enough to create SOME chaos. lol

I agree that for the most part Bluesteel's suggestions where basically the majority of our actions we took, but I dont think it was blind.

he was the most confirmed character in the game, by m98 and johnicle, so he was the safest to hear out without worring if it was mafia trying to lead you to a lynch.

aside from that his reasoning for most of the actions he suggested was fairly good and his knowledge of the greenday 'stories' history was superior than what anyone else showed.

when the town has to cooperate that usually means listening to someones suggestions before your own, with few special cases that are exceptions to that. ants and bees do little good trying to do there own thing and the first day phase shows that I think, so if I see another persons suggested actions that I find 'tolerable' then it's worth a shot to join in and do them.

this is talking mostly about day phase lynch votes, night phase shouldn't be discernible from day phase post if possible.
One act of Rebellion created all the darkness and evil in the world; One life of Total Obedience created a path back to eternity and God.

A Scout is Obedient.