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6/17/2011 9:52:15 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
My apologies for delaying this phase. I was very busy.

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Brainmaster
On the first day, this one was accused of witchcraft and burned at the stake. Was this soul truly wicked? We can't know for sure.

Victims of the devil:

Koopin
On the first night, an unknown amount of witches came unto this one and fried him in an evil concoction of delicious seasoning and devoured parts of his body with a side of evil mashed potatoes. Then they killed him.
GRAND POOBAH OF DDO

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6/17/2011 9:54:28 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Koopin
On the first night, an unknown amount of witches came unto this one and fried him in an evil concoction of disgusting seasoning and devoured parts of his body with a side of evil mashed potatoes. Then they killed him.

so they ate koopin like kfc? lololol.

btw I win with the town. If you don't say it your a witch. I suspect freedo for posting without saying it.
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6/17/2011 9:55:09 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 6/17/2011 9:54:28 PM, lovelife wrote:

btw I win with the town. If you don't say it your a witch. I suspect freedo for posting without saying it.

in case of retardation, that wasn't serious.
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6/17/2011 9:57:17 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
N O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O 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6/17/2011 9:59:57 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
@ koopin

The history of all hitherto existing societies is the history of class struggles.

Freeman and slave, patrician and plebeian, lord and serf, guild-master and journeyman, in a word, oppressor and oppressed, stood in constant opposition to one another, carried on an uninterrupted, now hidden, now open fight, a fight that each time ended, either in a revolutionary re-constitution of society at large, or in the common ruin of the contending classes.

In the earlier epochs of history, we find almost every where a complicated arrangement of society into various orders, a manifold gradation of social rank. In ancient Rome we have patricians, knights, plebeians, slaves; in the Middle Ages, feudal lords, vassals, guild-masters, journeymen, apprentices, serfs; in almost all of these classes, again, subordinate gradations.

The modern bourgeois society that has sprouted from the ruins of feudal society has not done away with clash antagonisms. It has but established new classes, new conditions of oppression, new forms of struggle in place of the old ones. Our epoch, the epoch of the bourgeoisie, possesses, however, this distinctive feature: it has simplified the class antagonisms: Society as a whole is more and more splitting up into two great hostile camps, into two great classes, directly facing each other: Bourgeoisie and Proletariat.. . .

In proportion as the bourgeoisie, i.e., capital, is developed, in the same proportion is the proletariat, the modern working class, developed-- a class of labourers, who live only so long as they find work, and who find work only so long as their labour increases capital. These labourers, who must sell themselves piece-meal, are a commodity, like every other article of commerce, and are consequently exposed to all the vicissitudes of competition, to all the fluctuations of the market.

Owing to the extensive use of machinery and to division of labour, the work of the proletarians has lost all individual character, and consequently, all charm for the workman. He becomes an appendage of the machine, and it is only the most simple, most monotonous, and most easily acquired knack, that is required of him. Hence, the cost of production of a workman is restricted, almost entirely, to the means of subsistence that he requires for his maintenance, and for the propagation of his race. But the price of a commodity, and therefore also of labour, is equal to its cost of production. In proportion therefore, as the repulsiveness of the work increases, the wage decreases. Nay more, in proportion as the use of machinery and division of labour increases,in the same proportion the burden of toil also increases, whether by prolongation of the working hours, by increase of the work exacted in a given time or by increased speed of the machinery, etc.

Modern industry has converted the little workshop of the patriarchal master into the great factory of the industrial capitalist. Masses of labourers, crowded into the factory, are organized like soldiers. As privates of the industrial army they are placed under the command of a perfect hierarchy of officers and sergeants. Not only are they slaves of the bourgeois class, and of the bourgeois State; they are daily and hourly enslaved by the machine, by the over-looker, and, above all, by the individual bourgeois manufacturer himself. The more openly this despotism proclaims gain to be its end and aim, the more petty, the more hateful and the more embittering it is.

But with the development of industry the proletariat not only increases in number; it becomes concentrated in greater masses, its strength grows, and it feels that strength more. The various interests and conditions of life within the ranks of the proletariat are more and more equalized, in proportion as machinery obliterates all distinctions of labour, and nearly everywhere reduces wages to the same low level. The growing competition among the bourgeois, and the resulting commercial crises, make the wages of the workers ever more fluctuating. The unceasing improvement of machinery, ever more rapidly developing, makes their livelihood more and more precarious; the collisions between individual workmen and individual bourgeois take more and more the character of collisions between two classes. There upon the workers begin to form combinations (Trades Unions) against the bourgeois; they club together in order to keep up the rate of wages; they found permanent associations in order to make provision beforehand for these occasional revolts. Here and there the contest breaks out into riots.

Now and then the workers are victorious, but only for a time. The real fruit of their battles lies, not in the immediate result, but in the ever-expanding union of the workers. This union is helped on by the improved means of communication that are created by modern industry and that place the workers of different localities in contact with one another. It was just this contact that was needed to centralize the numerous local struggles, all of the same character, into one national struggle between classes. But every class struggle is a political struggle. And that union, to attain which the burghers of the Middle Ages, with their miserable highways, required centuries, the modern proletarians, thanks to railways, achieve in a few years.

This organization of the proletarians into a class, and consequently into a political party, is continually being upset again by the competition between the workers themselves. But it ever rises up again, stronger, firmer, mightier. It compels legislative recognition of particular interests of the workers, by taking advantage of the divisions among the bourgeoisie itself. . . .

Hitherto, every form of society has been based, as we have already seen, on the antagonism of oppressing and oppressed classes. But in order to oppress a class, certain conditions must be assured to it under which it can, at least, continue its slavish existence. The serf, in the period of serfdom, raised himself to membership in the commune, just as the petty bourgeois, under the yoke of feudal absolutism, managed to develop into a bourgeois. The modern laborer, on the contrary, instead of rising with the progress of industry, sinks deeper and deeper below the conditions of existence of his own class. He becomes a pauper, and pauperism develops more rapidly than population and wealth. And here it becomes evident, that the bourgeoisie is unfit any longer to be the ruling class in society, and to impose its conditions of existence upon society as an over-riding law. It is unfit to rule because it is incompetent to assure an existence to its slave within his slavery, because it cannot help letting him sink into such a state, that it has to feed him, instead of being fed by him. Society can no longer live under this bourgeoisie, in other words, its existence is no longer compatible with society.
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6/17/2011 10:01:02 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
I win with the town.
I am not mafia.
I am not third party.
Sorry I missed the whole first DP, though it's cool that I wasn't replaced. Recap anyone?
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6/17/2011 10:02:56 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 6/17/2011 10:02:04 PM, Koopin wrote:
Why are you quoting Karl Marx? Is this supposed to be in the other game?

Recently in an exchange with someone on the moral deficiency and hazards of capitalism I was chided for being too severely critical of the capitalist class. Chided on the grounds that capitalists are the ones who turn their ingenious ideas and visionary dreams into business enterprises that produce goods and services that improve our lives, that generate the wealth and bountifulness that raises everyone's material standard of living, and that stimulate innovation and progress.

You know what I'm talking about, the old pro-capitalist canard that without our brilliant and beautiful capitalist overlords we'd all be jobless, prospectless, backward, and barbarous creatures leading a stagnant existence. That it's the moguls of the moneyocracy who make things, who make beneficial things happen for the rest of us; who make the economic machine that turns out all of the modern conveniences that make modernity the wonderful thing it is; who make the institutions of society; who make society as we know it in the rich and free West a viable proposition.

According to this load of pro-capitalist humbug, the common working man and woman should be grovelingly grateful to be along for the ride, and content to leave capitalists in the driver's seat of society. Workers are de-dignified into mere drones, taking their cues from the managers, magnates, and moneyed masters of the system, without whom they'd be nothing. Capitalist owners are the stars, and the people they employ are just expendable bit players, or extras. And of course without the stars there'd be no show at all. Why what would we all do without the shining stars of capitalism, in whose reflected glory we mediocre wage slaves live our comfortable lives? What engine would keep civilization's forward momentum into a better and brighter future going? There would be no such engine, and civilization would be stalled in a dark age.

I beg to disagree. No, it's not capitalists and their initiative & inventiveness that makes our society affluent and flourishing, it's the low men and women on the socioeconomic totem pole doing the actual work. It's working-class people and their energy, their strength of character, their work ethic, their ability to creatively implement the will of their employer, and their labors & toil that makes business enterprises successful and a force for society's well-being and progress. I repeat, it's these virtues and contributions of workingpeople, not the much overrated virtues and contributions of their high-powered capitalist honchos, that makes for viable and prospering businesses and societies.

Indeed, instead of 99% of the credit going to bourgeois bosses and bloodsucking businessmen, with only 1% of the appreciation going to struggling, sweating, and striving blue-collar guys and gals, it should be quite the reverse – virtually all of the credit should go to the systematically exploited and preyed-upon proletariat, for that's where the credit is genuinely due. All credit and power to the workers!!!

As for what engine of change and growth will power and drive forth an economic system that abolishes the parasitical capitalist class, how about the above mentioned energy, character, cleverness, and creativity of ordinary working-class men and women. I would have to ask anyone who finds this difficult to believe, Are you some kind of elitist who believes that only an aristocratic elite of capitalist movers & shakers can run a successful economy, and that this therefore entitles them to the exploitative share of society's wealth they expropriate for themselves (talk about a dangerous sense of entitlement, the sense of entitlement of capitalists is incomparably more outrageous than that of welfare recipients)?

Alas though, the capitalist system is philosophically predicated precisely upon this classist assumption, that capitalists are the great paternalistic and benevolent benefactors of society, and therefore have a right to a dangerous and controlling portion of society's economic wealth and political power. This is an assumption that we're of course socio-culturally brainwashed to unquestioningly, naively, and dogmatically accept, which is why there are so many people who may not be filthy rich but who nonetheless identify and side with the economic elite and believe wholeheartedly in a socioeconomic system, i.e. capitalism, that is structurally designed to victimize the majority of those who live under it.

I'm sorry and sincerely don't wish to be ad hominem in regard to such people, but I really do have to say that boosters of the capitalist class really are just indoctrinees. Their thinking is no doubt so abysmally entrenched in the rationalizing ideology of capitalism that the above or any criticism of the "free market" (to use the popular doublespeak euphemism) will sound like absolute wrongheaded nonsense.

Well, I say to them, to Mr. or Mrs. Pro-Capitalist, No doubt, like so many doctrinaire defenders of capitalism, you can cite to me off-the-cuff statistics galore about how the "free market" is improving everyone's life, but I defy you to go to some of the horrendously poor communities in the Third World, or even here at home, and tell the suffering human beings there that capitalism is a hunky-dory system doing lovely things for their lives. If they don't stone you to death with righteous indignation, or laugh you to scorn, they might just break down crying that anyone would have the ignorance and lack of human decency to suggest such a thing, to smugly apologize for an inherently callous and predaceous system like capitalism.

Mm-hmm, although the capitalist elite has been quite successful at programming our worldview in such a way as to cast themselves in a highly positive light, and to make us buy into a ridiculously rosy picture of self-regulating capitalism (i.e. the-fox-guarding-the-henhouse capitalism), the norm for large corporate entities, and many other employers in our system, is to behave toward the rank and file of the labor force, toward you and me and the communities we call home, in a somewhat less than philanthropic and civic-minded fashion. Rather than being a blessing to the little guy, big business is often his bane and bitter adversary. No, companies that treat the workfolk who are their lifeblood with all the respect accorded to menials and peons, that deny them their benefits and fair pay, that cheat longtime employees out of their pensions, that outsource their positions and leave them in the lurch of joblessness, that pollute the air and water of their communities with industrial waste, etc., such companies and the unwonderful capitalist wizes who run them certainly do not deserve the lionizing they often receive from their free-marketeer fans.

Most emphatically no, then, the working poor, the unemployed, and the underclass don't blissfully "surf" the creative "wake" of the capitalist elite, as someone once tried to tell me. Rather, the wake left by capitalist greed is often a wake of wrongs done to, want suffered by, and woe visited upon the economy's average Joes and Janes, a wake they drown in on a daily basis.

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6/17/2011 10:03:32 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 6/17/2011 10:03:01 PM, Andromeda_Z wrote:
At 6/17/2011 9:59:57 PM, Brainmaster wrote:
Communist Manifesto

Wtf?

Koopin spammed the thread so I replied with charleslb-esque spam
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6/17/2011 10:05:33 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 6/17/2011 10:02:00 PM, Merda wrote:
The Communist Manifesto! I'd know it anywhere! God I practically memorized it.

Same here, I used to be a communist. But why would he post that in miscellaneous forums allover DDO?
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6/17/2011 10:05:48 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 6/17/2011 10:03:32 PM, Brainmaster wrote:
At 6/17/2011 10:03:01 PM, Andromeda_Z wrote:
At 6/17/2011 9:59:57 PM, Brainmaster wrote:
Communist Manifesto

Wtf?

Koopin spammed the thread so I replied with charleslb-esque spam

*get's it*
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6/17/2011 10:06:30 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 6/17/2011 10:03:32 PM, Brainmaster wrote:
At 6/17/2011 10:03:01 PM, Andromeda_Z wrote:
At 6/17/2011 9:59:57 PM, Brainmaster wrote:
Communist Manifesto

Wtf?

Koopin spammed the thread so I replied with charleslb-esque spam

Charleslb doesn't copypaste the Communist Manifesto, he vomits thesaurus all over the forums.
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6/17/2011 10:07:11 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 6/17/2011 10:06:30 PM, Andromeda_Z wrote:
At 6/17/2011 10:03:32 PM, Brainmaster wrote:
At 6/17/2011 10:03:01 PM, Andromeda_Z wrote:
At 6/17/2011 9:59:57 PM, Brainmaster wrote:
Communist Manifesto

Wtf?

Koopin spammed the thread so I replied with charleslb-esque spam

Charleslb doesn't copypaste the Communist Manifesto, he vomits thesaurus all over the forums.

Yes, but that would be cruel and unusual to force people to read him again.
Kfc.
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6/17/2011 10:08:56 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Recap of the last DP would be nice. And if any investigative roles found out something useful, it would be much appreciated. I think we're getting off track.
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6/17/2011 10:09:03 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 6/17/2011 10:07:11 PM, Brainmaster wrote:
At 6/17/2011 10:06:30 PM, Andromeda_Z wrote:
At 6/17/2011 10:03:32 PM, Brainmaster wrote:
At 6/17/2011 10:03:01 PM, Andromeda_Z wrote:
At 6/17/2011 9:59:57 PM, Brainmaster wrote:
Communist Manifesto

Wtf?

Koopin spammed the thread so I replied with charleslb-esque spam

Charleslb doesn't copypaste the Communist Manifesto, he vomits thesaurus all over the forums.

Yes, but that would be cruel to force people to read him again.

Fixed. It's not unusual if he does it all the time.
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6/17/2011 10:10:04 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 6/17/2011 10:09:03 PM, Andromeda_Z wrote:
At 6/17/2011 10:07:11 PM, Brainmaster wrote:
At 6/17/2011 10:06:30 PM, Andromeda_Z wrote:
At 6/17/2011 10:03:32 PM, Brainmaster wrote:
At 6/17/2011 10:03:01 PM, Andromeda_Z wrote:
At 6/17/2011 9:59:57 PM, Brainmaster wrote:
Communist Manifesto

Wtf?

Koopin spammed the thread so I replied with charleslb-esque spam

Charleslb doesn't copypaste the Communist Manifesto, he vomits thesaurus all over the forums.

Yes, but that would be cruel to force people to read him again.

Fixed. It's not unusual if he does it all the time.

I should write a fvcking novel about why AnCap rules and title it "Suck this Charles" and post it on Misc
Kfc.
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6/17/2011 10:12:36 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 6/17/2011 10:10:04 PM, Brainmaster wrote:
At 6/17/2011 10:09:03 PM, Andromeda_Z wrote:
At 6/17/2011 10:07:11 PM, Brainmaster wrote:
At 6/17/2011 10:06:30 PM, Andromeda_Z wrote:
At 6/17/2011 10:03:32 PM, Brainmaster wrote:
At 6/17/2011 10:03:01 PM, Andromeda_Z wrote:
At 6/17/2011 9:59:57 PM, Brainmaster wrote:
Communist Manifesto

Wtf?

Koopin spammed the thread so I replied with charleslb-esque spam

Charleslb doesn't copypaste the Communist Manifesto, he vomits thesaurus all over the forums.

Yes, but that would be cruel to force people to read him again.

Fixed. It's not unusual if he does it all the time.

I should write a fvcking novel about why AnCap rules and title it "Suck this Charles" and post it on Misc

You're not helping the rumor that we're the same person.
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6/17/2011 10:13:20 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 6/17/2011 10:08:56 PM, Merda wrote:
Recap of the last DP would be nice. And if any investigative roles found out something useful, it would be much appreciated. I think we're getting off track.

We did get off track. Last DP, Brainmaster trolled. We decided he was probably jester or a witch, but we weren't sure if a jester role fit in with the game. We determined there weren't characters, just factions and sometimes roles. Lovelife said she thought innomen was town after he only posted twice, but this wasn't pursued. Brainmaster hammered himself.
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6/17/2011 10:13:38 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 6/17/2011 10:12:36 PM, Merda wrote:
At 6/17/2011 10:10:04 PM, Brainmaster wrote:
At 6/17/2011 10:09:03 PM, Andromeda_Z wrote:
At 6/17/2011 10:07:11 PM, Brainmaster wrote:
At 6/17/2011 10:06:30 PM, Andromeda_Z wrote:
At 6/17/2011 10:03:32 PM, Brainmaster wrote:
At 6/17/2011 10:03:01 PM, Andromeda_Z wrote:
At 6/17/2011 9:59:57 PM, Brainmaster wrote:
Communist Manifesto

Wtf?

Koopin spammed the thread so I replied with charleslb-esque spam

Charleslb doesn't copypaste the Communist Manifesto, he vomits thesaurus all over the forums.

Yes, but that would be cruel to force people to read him again.

Fixed. It's not unusual if he does it all the time.

I should write a fvcking novel about why AnCap rules and title it "Suck this Charles" and post it on Misc

You're not helping the rumor that we're the same person.

No, we all know you are Spinko. What's there to say?
Kfc.
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6/17/2011 10:14:26 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 6/17/2011 10:12:36 PM, Merda wrote:
You're not helping the rumor that we're the same person.

You don't seem similar at all, did I miss something?
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6/17/2011 10:24:05 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 6/17/2011 10:14:26 PM, Andromeda_Z wrote:
At 6/17/2011 10:12:36 PM, Merda wrote:
You're not helping the rumor that we're the same person.

You don't seem similar at all, did I miss something?

Someone, possibly Contradiction, suggested we were. No wait it was hello-orange. I don't know what his new name is. He thought our styles of debating were the same. I thought it was kind of insulting. And I think the fact that he's done 30 debates in a week possibly had something to do with it.

But on to mafia matters, I can verify that I don't have a specific character. It's more of a character type and then specifications on my role. I'll do a random VTL for pressure. I figure we pressure two people for a vague sort of claim and then go from there.

VTL lovelife It's a random vote. I need a few more people to follow suit just to pressure her for some sort of role claim. It doesn't have to be specific, just possibly verifiable or probable.
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6/17/2011 10:24:35 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 6/17/2011 10:24:05 PM, Merda wrote:
At 6/17/2011 10:14:26 PM, Andromeda_Z wrote:
At 6/17/2011 10:12:36 PM, Merda wrote:
You're not helping the rumor that we're the same person.

You don't seem similar at all, did I miss something?

Someone, possibly Contradiction, suggested we were. No wait it was hello-orange. I don't know what his new name is. He thought our styles of debating were the same. I thought it was kind of insulting. And I think the fact that he's done 30 debates in a week possibly had something to do with it.

But on to mafia matters, I can verify that I don't have a specific character. It's more of a character type and then specifications on my role. I'll do a random VTL for pressure. I figure we pressure two people for a vague sort of claim and then go from there.

VTL lovelife It's a random vote. I need a few more people to follow suit just to pressure her for some sort of role claim. It doesn't have to be specific, just possibly verifiable or probable.

he's now bangbang coconut
Kfc.
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6/17/2011 10:27:03 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 6/17/2011 10:24:05 PM, Merda wrote:
At 6/17/2011 10:14:26 PM, Andromeda_Z wrote:
At 6/17/2011 10:12:36 PM, Merda wrote:
You're not helping the rumor that we're the same person.

You don't seem similar at all, did I miss something?

Someone, possibly Contradiction, suggested we were. No wait it was hello-orange. I don't know what his new name is. He thought our styles of debating were the same. I thought it was kind of insulting. And I think the fact that he's done 30 debates in a week possibly had something to do with it.

I remember that thread now, thanks.

But on to mafia matters, I can verify that I don't have a specific character. It's more of a character type and then specifications on my role. I'll do a random VTL for pressure. I figure we pressure two people for a vague sort of claim and then go from there.

VTL lovelife It's a random vote. I need a few more people to follow suit just to pressure her for some sort of role claim. It doesn't have to be specific, just possibly verifiable or probable.

Sounds good to me, I still think something is up with her saying innomen was likely town after he made two posts. VTL lovelife
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6/17/2011 10:32:13 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Today, we face the witches again. Let not the Devil win. But where is our inspiration? Well, I, your minister and cop am here to help. Fear not, the game is nearly over.

You see, last DP I noticed a key comment of Marauder's that highlighted my suspicions. Now all eyes turn to Marauder, well turn them away; he is very likely town. He was pointing out Lovelife's random support of Innomen.

Now, this is all well and good being suspicious, but where's the final proof? I investigated Innomen - he's guilty. Lovelife is likely also guilty, just randomly supporting a fellow who happens to be Mafia, which also means Marauder is likely town.

Burn the witches at the stake!

VTL Innomen
"Tis not in mortals to command success
But we"ll do more, Sempronius, we"ll deserve it