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Who can advise on creating mafia game?

wiploc
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10/22/2011 8:52:40 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
I've got an idea for a mafia theme game. The theme excites me. The characters have interesting new power roles.

It's all good except that I've never tried to design one of these before. How do I know if it's balanced?

So, who would you ask for confidential advice on game construction?
tvellalott
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10/22/2011 8:53:09 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/22/2011 8:52:40 PM, wiploc wrote:
I've got an idea for a mafia theme game. The theme excites me. The characters have interesting new power roles.

It's all good except that I've never tried to design one of these before. How do I know if it's balanced?

So, who would you ask for confidential advice on game construction?

Me.
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10/22/2011 8:59:55 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/22/2011 8:55:21 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
Wiploc, you are so lucky. You posted a random thread and what do you know? A mafia expert pops up and offers to help.

Fix'd. :P
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10/24/2011 10:23:53 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/22/2011 8:53:09 PM, tvellalott wrote:
At 10/22/2011 8:52:40 PM, wiploc wrote:
So, who would you ask for confidential advice on game construction?

Me.

Great, thanks. I'll send you the roll posts by PM. Here's the dawn of day one:

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Good morning Westeros!

King Robert (the Wastrel) Baratheon is dead in circumstances said by some to be suspicious; long live his son, King Joffrey the Monster. Even now, ravens carry the news to all of the seven kingdoms. Dark wings, dark words.

The seven kingdoms of Westeros were united 300 years ago by the Targarians. Thirteen years ago, King Aeries (the Mad) Targarian became so depraved, cruel, and unpredictable that he was put down by the Usurper, Robert Baratheon, and his friend Ned Stark.

Ned Stark was the Hand of the King under Robert. The hand of the king? Think Prime Minister. (Or think acting king. Some kings, like Robert, leave the ruling to their Hands, while they go whoring and hunting. Others, like Aeries, leave the ruling to their Hands, while they go mad.) Robert appointed Ned Stark to act as Regent for Joffrey until he comes of age, so, naturally Ned Stark, if he's in this game, is in charge of the country.

Cersie Lannister is the king's mother. She's the Queen Regent, so, naturally she, if she's in this game is in charge.

Cersie doesn't care for the cold, brusk, stiff-necked Ned Stark. For this dislike, she has reasons which seem to her good, and which may or may not come to light. So she has appointed her father, Tywin Lannister to be the hand of the king. This means, of course, that Tywin, if he's in this game, is in charge.

Joffrey Baratheon is the king. People have to do what he tells them, or he makes them fight to the death. Making people fight to the death is the best part of being king, next to pressing the royal seal into the sealing wax on the documents that his ministers put in front of him. Joffrey, if he's in this game, runs the country.

Thus (perhaps not counting Ned Stark) the town. Who are the mafia? Well, there were seven kingdoms under Aeries and Robert. Which ones might try to break away or take over under Joffrey? Let us round up the usual suspects:

Dorn: Think Scotland. Scotland was the last part of Britain to be conquered by the English. For many generations it strategically made and broke alliances with France in order to retain its independence from Britain. Now rotate Britain so that Scotland is on the warm end, and then stretch it out so that it includes as much territory as the UK and Scandinavia together, and then maybe shrink the planet a bit so that one end of this continent-sized Britain is permafrost and the other is tropical. Too much information? Anyway that's Dorn: a traditionally-rebellious Saharan Scotland.

The Martels run Dorn. Oberin (the Viper) Martel fights with poisoned weapons, if he happens to be in this game.

Highgarden: Think California, prosperous and fruitful. Oldtown is a center of culture, like Paris. The Tyrells are an old, very noble family; they don't like having been outmaneuvered by the gauche up jumped Lannisters.

Loras Tyrell, of Highgarden, if he's in this game, may be the greatest knight in the Kingdom. He's certainly the prettiest.

The Vale of Arryn: This is ruled by Lysa Arryn, nee Tully, Ned Stark's sister in law, whose husband, the previous Hand, was allegedly murdered, allegedly by the Lannisters. So, if Lysa is in this game, she can pretty well be assumed to fall in on Ned's side whether he's town or not, if he's in this game.

Beyond the Wall: Only the wildlings live beyond the pale. Okay, the Pale was Irish; this wall is more like Hadrian's, only bigger, eight hundred feet high. This is the north end of the continent. The southern bits of this northern waste are habitable. The northern bits are glaciers and permafrost. Think Siberia.

Dark forces are stirring here; the cold is rising. White walkers kill people, then raise the corpses and turn them against their friends. Giant ice spiders stalk anything with warm blood. Etcetera. Some unstoppable evil is behind this. Only the Wall can hold back the forces of darkness and cold.

Mance Raider is the king of the wildlings, the Free Folk. Since they can't fight the white walkers, he is taking his people south. They'd like permission to pass thru the Wall into civilized lands where they would have a great time pillaging. If they can't get permission, they'll have to bring the wall down with the Horn of Jorimon. Think Gabriel's trumpet. Of course, if Raider brings down the wall, there will be nothing to hold back the forces of night and cold.

Mance Raider's people have a generational enmity toward the Starks. If Mance is in this game, this would make him town, if the Starks were mafia, and if they are in this game‒-if he weren't threatening to bring down the Wall, which may destroy everybody, town included.

The wildlings worship the old gods.

The Nightwatch: Nah, these guys are no problem. They'll never rebel. They defend the wall from the wildlings and darker forces. They are neither town nor mafia, because they take no part in the wars of the Seven Kingdoms of Westeros.

They do need support though. Men, money, armor, horses, food, peasants, whores, ships, weapons, Brylcreem, anything you can send them. The fate of the Kingdom depends on it. If the Wall falls, everybody loses. Despite your town/mafia conflict, some of you must sacrifice for the common good.

What does this mean in game terms? What can you sacrifice? Your powers. If you are a cop, say, or a doctor, or whatever, and you were to give up your power for one night, donate it to the Nightwatch, you would be doing a noble deed. And, hey, if you do, good things might happen. Karma may be watching.

And one night will probably get it, right? Surely someone else will donate tomorrow night.

John Snow is Lord Commander of the Nightwatch. Since the nightwatch takes no part in the wars of the Seven Kingdoms, John Snow cannot vote. Makes you wonder what he's doing in this game. Maybe he isn't.

Winterfell: This is the land just south of the wall. A cold country, huge, sparsely populated. For thousands of years, Winterfell has suffered the raids of the wildlings who live beyond the wall.

Ned Stark rules here, a notoriously honorable man. Of course, he did, like George Washington, rise against his rightful king. And he did marry bring a bastard son home from the war. And he may have conspired with Stannis Baratheon to depose Joffrey. Nonetheless, you can trust him completely. Stark's honor.

The Starks worship the nameless old gods (think Heathens, Pocahontas, for instance).

Pike: The iron islands. The Greyjoys rule here. Pirates. They were suppressed when the kingdoms were united. Who's to say what they'll do now. They worship the Drowned God (think Christianity).

Balon Greyjoy rules here. His son Theon was raised by the Starks, so who knows which way he will go, if he happens to be in this game.

Riverrun: Hoster Tully rules here in the Riverlands south of Winterfell. One of his daughters married Ned Stark, and the other one is Lysa Arryn, ruler of the Vale. It's pretty clear which way he'll lean, if he's in this game, and if they are in the game.

Casterly Rock: Very rich, primarily because of mineral wealth. Think Saudi Arabia, only with gold instead of oil, and mountains instead of sand.

Tywin Lannister rules here. He can't be mafia. His family runs the country. Definitely town. Tough sonofabitch. People tend to do what he tells them. He speaks with authority.

At Casterly Rock, they worship the new gods, the seven. Think pagans: Thor, Isis, Mars, that kind of thing.

Continued next post.
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10/24/2011 10:25:04 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
continued from previous post

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The Stormlands: The Baratheons rule here, Stannis and his little brother Renley, brothers of the late king Robert. Stannis has taken it into his head that Joffrey isn't really Robert's son, but rather is the bastard son of Queen Cersei and her brother Jamie. An abomination. Stannis Baratheon, all about justice, isn't into abominations.

In fact, if Joffrey isn't really Robert's son, then he isn't really the rightful king. Robert's older brother would be king. Stannis. King Stannis. That has a nice ring. But Stannis isn't after power or grandeur. He's after what is right. He is the rightful king. People should bow down to him. Then he should keep things proper by cutting their heads off if their behavior has been dubious. It's important to keep the proprieties.

Stannis, if he is in this game, is not town.

Renley is the younger brother Baratheon. He takes Stannis's point about Joffrey not being the real king. He also notes that Stannis would be a terrible king, and that, because nobody likes him, he can never get to be king. Therefore: King Renley. It's only logical.

Renley, if he is in this game, is not town.

Other Parties:

There's a rumor that a Targarian child survived. There's a rumor that she has raised an army of Dothraki Screamers (think Mongols). There's a rumor that she has dragons (think dragons, except that the last dragon died 300 years ago). There's a rumor that she's actually a boy. There's a rumor she's dead.

Thoros of Myr, if he's in this game, is a dissolute priest of the red god (think Allah).

Obviously, some of the above factions are not represented in a game with this few players. On the other hand, some players in this game haven't been mentioned.

Religions:

They are mentioned because they are important. If you die, and your family/team/faction dies, you may still sort of win if your religion does. So there are two victory conditions: your team and your religion. If you win one and lose the other, you can say you tied.

Turncoats:

People change sides in A Song of Ice and Fire. It happens. It's not random; you can't just say, "Hey, I want to be on that side for awhile!"; but if someone is town today, that doesn't necessarily mean she'll be town tomorrow.

Weddings, for instance. Each character is gendered. If Margery Tyrell (if she's in this game) marries Theon Greyjoy (if he's in this game) then he might join the Highgarden team, and she might be drowned and rise again as a follower of the wet religion. Like in real life.

It can be hard to give up your family or your religion. You might not get full points for a victory after such a change. Better to win with your original team than with a new team. But, hey, better to win a little bit with the new team than not to win at all?

The ones to watch out for are the ones with no loyalty, the ones who do get full points after switching. Thomas Jefferson, for instance. He never hung his head after the American revolution. Would have been just as happy to have switched teams again after a few years. "The tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants in every generation," or something like that. Dangerous man, that.

Further Bulletins as Events Warrant:

Actually, just look to your role PMs. Getcher gender, getcher team, getcher religion, getcher secret powers, and getcher personal agenda there. Read all about it.