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Beginner 4.1 - Day Phase 2

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12/14/2011 6:35:38 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
ACTIVE PLAYERS:

01. deamonomic (replaced by drafterman)
02. buckethead
03. Wierdman
04. royalpaladin
05. TheTruthAnalyst
06. Viper-King
07. Chthonian
08. Jordan56
09. caveat
10. jm_notguilty
11. Oryus

It takes 6 votes to lynch.

GRAVEYARD:

Tyler90az – You are a vanilla townie and have now powers. You are aligned with the town. (lynched DP1)

Stephen_Hawkins - You are the watcher, and you are a townie. Every odd night (1, 3, 5, 7, etc), you may pick one player to "watch," and you will see every player who visits that person but not what they do. You are different from a tracker. A tracker sees everyone who a target visits, so for example, if the tracker tracks the doctor, he can see who the doctor chooses to protect. A watcher sees everyone who visits someone, so if the watcher watches the bulletproof, he may see both the mafia godfather and the townie vigilante attempt to kill the bulletproof, unsuccessfully. (died NP1)

Lordknukle - You are the doctor and can protect someone once per night. You may also choose to protect yourself instead of others. The person who you protect cannot be killed by the mafia. This means if the mafia tries to kill the person you protected, it will not work and they will lose the chance to kill. You are a townie. (died NP1)

Lync-0-tron

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You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into - Jonathan Swift (paraphrase)
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12/14/2011 6:42:00 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Sigh. This was disastrous.

Confirmed Townies
1. Royalpaladin (role: miler)

I have class in five minutes, so I cannot post, but I do have evidence against some people that I will be willing to share later tonight.

So, basically, we mislynched tyler, the mafia killed LordKnuckle, and the jack-of-all-trades used his killing ability on the other player.

On top of that, the politican chose to turn my vote against me. My guess is that the politician is mafia because he is attacking the only confirmed townie; he wants another mislynch.
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12/14/2011 6:46:39 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/14/2011 6:42:00 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
Sigh. This was disastrous.

Confirmed Townies
1. Royalpaladin (role: miler)

I have class in five minutes, so I cannot post, but I do have evidence against some people that I will be willing to share later tonight.

So, basically, we mislynched tyler, the mafia killed LordKnuckle, and the jack-of-all-trades used his killing ability on the other player.

On top of that, the politican chose to turn my vote against me. My guess is that the politician is mafia because he is attacking the only confirmed townie; he wants another mislynch.

We need to be careful, another mislynch cannot be acceptable.
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12/14/2011 6:47:15 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/14/2011 6:42:00 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
Sigh. This was disastrous.

Confirmed Townies
1. Royalpaladin (role: miler)

I have class in five minutes, so I cannot post, but I do have evidence against some people that I will be willing to share later tonight.
who?
So, basically, we mislynched tyler, the mafia killed LordKnuckle, and the jack-of-all-trades used his killing ability on the other player.
i told u all he was innocent. i was wrong to go with the flow.
On top of that, the politican chose to turn my vote against me. My guess is that the politician is mafia because he is attacking the only confirmed townie; he wants another mislynch.i think i know who the politician is.
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12/14/2011 6:48:57 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/14/2011 6:47:15 PM, Viper-King wrote:
At 12/14/2011 6:42:00 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
Sigh. This was disastrous.

Confirmed Townies
1. Royalpaladin (role: miler)

I have class in five minutes, so I cannot post, but I do have evidence against some people that I will be willing to share later tonight.
who?
So, basically, we mislynched tyler, the mafia killed LordKnuckle, and the jack-of-all-trades used his killing ability on the other player.
i told u all he was innocent. i was wrong to go with the flow.
On top of that, the politican chose to turn my vote against me. My guess is that the politician is mafia because he is attacking the only confirmed townie; he wants another mislynch.i think i know who the politician is.

Who? we need to know who to target for future reference.
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12/14/2011 6:57:17 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Here are my observations from DP1:

1. What LordKnuckle did at the beginning of the game wasn't
suspicious. Consider his wording:

"VTL JM for a character claim"

And then consider the wording of the people who initially voted against him:

"Lordknuckle seems eager for the kill."

Getting some form of claim in DP1 is known as SOP - Standard Operating
Procedures. The Town has numbers but no information. The Mafia has
information, but few numbers. The goal for each is to use their
advantage to compensate for their disadvantage. Most players receive
the following things in their Role PM:

A. A character
B. A role
C. A statement of affiliation

Now, this is a beginner game, and there are no characters. There are
just roles and affiliations. Why do we ask for this information? In
many games there is an association between characters and roles and
between characters and affiliations. For example, we just finished
Heroes v. Villains Mafia. The Heroes were the Town, the Villains were
the Mafia. By getting characters you force the Mafia to lie.

Roles are a different matter and it is not necessarily good to out
roles early on. Lord Knuckle should have known this, but that does not
make his VTL suspicious. The only tangible action that we can take
during the day time (barring day-time roles) is voting. Even though it
is, technically, a "Vote To Lynch" it is merely a tool to pressure
people into giving up information, not necessarily an indication that
we do, in fact, want to kill that person.

Regardless, this is what is done, first day, in almost all mafia
games. We get some information about players, then VTNL, as there
usually is not enough information to warrant lynching a person.

2. Reasons. LK gave a reason for his vote. Others that voted against
him also gave reasons. However, many did not. NEVER simply VTL
someone. All things being equal, the odds are any person that is the
target of a bandwagon is a townie. If you are town, then you don't
know, whereas if you're mafia, you do know. So, if you are town voting
to lynch someone, you need to demonstrate why you think it is more
likely that the target is more likely mafia than town. Even if someone
else has already made an argument that you agree with, SAY SOMETHING.
Just voting someone with no reason is suspicious, especially if it's
the last vote, known as the hammer.

3. "I win with the town." This is a standard phrase most people are
expected to say. Yes, mafia will lie, but that's not the point. Some
games have Lie Detectors that can determine if a person is lying. It
is generally expected of people to say this. However, I didn't see a
Lie Detector in bluesteel's role list, so it does not appear necessary
for this game. It is, nevertheless, a good habit to get into.

4. Voting. You vote to lynch people, or lynch no one. That's it.
Chthonian made the mistake in DP1 where he said "VTNL LordKnuckle."
You can't vote to not lynch a specific person. Either you vote to
lynch a specific person ("VTL LordKnuckle") or you vote to have no
lynch at all ("VTNL") or you just don't vote. Saying "VTNL
LordKnuckle" is confusing because it looks like you are voting to
lynch that person. If you believe that someone should not be lynched,
make an argument in their defense. To remove your vote, simply
"Unvote."

5. Revealing role under pressure. Tyler made this absurd argument in
the previous DP. Revealing your role under pressure is EXACTLY what
you're supposed to do, generally. Some roles are highly valuable, such
as Doctor or Cop. If I was a Doctor in a normal game with more
experienced people, I wouldn't have claimed at all. Or at least waited
until I was at least 2 votes away from being lynched. However, in a
game with inexperienced people, you can't count on prudence or
patience, so I can understand Lord Knuckle claiming. Isn't suspicious,
it's what you're supposed to do. Doctor is a pretty common role.
Generally when someone claims, you stop pressuring them and wait to
see if their actions match their role or if anyone else counter
claims.

6. Counter-claiming. A counter claim is when a second person claims to
have the role claimed by a previous person. This USUALLY, but not
always, indicates that one of those people are mafia. This is
generally cause for suspicion, if not lynching. But beware, it is
certainly possible for both people to be telling the truth. However,
mafia generally do not counter-claim as a strategy for lynching
townies, as they are likely to die next and a 1-for-1 trade always
benefits the town. Now, it's plausible that a mafia goon may
counter-claim a town doctor to get rid of him, but it is not likely.
More likely, a townie counter-claims a mafia who made a poor choice in
their fake-claim.

7. What gets you killed is your behavior. Despite being town, Tyler
acted in a manner that got him killed. His arguments were fallacious
or, at least, not strong enough to warrant lynching Knuckle, but he
refused to drop them. With his own head on the chopping block, he
chose primarily to continue attacking when his goal should have been
shutting down his attack and leaning toward a no lynch. With little
information and a majority townies, you should get used to these kinds
of situations. In any game, you should expect to mislynch once or
twice. Your goal as town is to lynch mafia, but also to protect the
town, which includes yourself. Tyler got himself killed. His behavior
directly contributed to the votes on him, this was a plain as day. The
idea that he could continue on that course of action and NOT get
lynched was naive, at best.

To recap, here are the following roles:
Reviver - Town
Mason Recruiter - Town
Beloved Princess - Town
Suicide Bomber - Mafia
Survivor - 3rd Party
Politician - Town/Mafia
Tracker - Town
Watcher - Town
JOAT - Town
Doctor - Town
Godfather - Mafia
Jester - 3rd Party
Vanilla - Town
Goon - Mafia
Vigilante - Town
Role Blocker - Town
Miller - Town
Bulletproof - Town
Cop - Town
Role Cop - Mafia

There are more roles than people. However, if you count Politician as
town, there are EXACTLY as many town roles as there are players,
meaning as we learn more roles, there is a good chance of catching
mafia in a lie. We should pick up where we left off in DP1, and select
someone to claim. I recommend Viper-King, so VTL VK.
Again, this is for pressure, not to actually lynch.

In the meantime, we may have a number of investigative roles:
Tracker, Watcher, JOAT, Cop

Tracker - you pick a target and learn who they visited. If a tracker
exists, and your targeted visited [whoever died last night], please
let us know.
Watcher - you pick a target and learn who visited them. Since LK
claimed doctor, you should have watched him as he would have been an
ideal target for mafia. If you watched anyone that died last night,
please let us know.
JOAT & Cop - If you investigated anyone and they came up "guilty" or
"not town" please let us know.

Visits: When you use your ability against someone else, that counts as
a visit that would be logged on tracker/watcher reports. The following
roles could have visited someone:

Mason Recruiter, Politician, Tracker, Watcher, JOAT, Doctor,
Vigilante, Role Blocker, Cop, Role Cop

Investigative roles are also primary targets for mafia kills, so these
roles usually keep quiet unless they have something of significance.
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12/14/2011 6:59:54 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I say we should lynch caveat. His continual persistence on lynching tyler seems a bit suspicious. He may be a mafia who is trying to trick us all into voting for each other.
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12/14/2011 7:02:12 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/14/2011 6:59:54 PM, wierdman wrote:
I say we should lynch caveat. His continual persistence on lynching tyler seems a bit suspicious. He may be a mafia who is trying to trick us all into voting for each other.

Perhaps. My immediate suspicion is on Viper who counter-claimed miller, did not want to be investigated as he would appear guilty, but then retracted that claim and said he would reveal his role today. I'd like to see that role.

FOR PRESSURE: VTL Viper-King
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12/14/2011 7:06:58 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
LYLO: Bluesteel said that we had 6 townies and 4 mafia. Now mafia killed one townie, jack-of-all-trades killed another and we mislynched. So we lost 3 townies which means the mafia are beating 4-3. No Mislynches. Careful guys.
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12/14/2011 7:07:14 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/14/2011 7:02:12 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 12/14/2011 6:59:54 PM, wierdman wrote:
I say we should lynch caveat. His continual persistence on lynching tyler seems a bit suspicious. He may be a mafia who is trying to trick us all into voting for each other.

Perhaps. My immediate suspicion is on Viper who counter-claimed miller, did not want to be investigated as he would appear guilty, but then retracted that claim and said he would reveal his role today. I'd like to see that role.

FOR PRESSURE: VTL Viper-King

Indeed, this is one of strong insight but for later reference, we need to consider pressuring caveat. But as of right now, we should pressure VK......VTL VK
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12/14/2011 7:12:23 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/14/2011 7:06:58 PM, Viper-King wrote:
LYLO: Bluesteel said that we had 6 townies and 4 mafia. Now mafia killed one townie, jack-of-all-trades killed another and we mislynched. So we lost 3 townies which means the mafia are beating 4-3. No Mislynches. Careful guys.

Someone will have to confirm that... I find it highly unlikely that a mod would disclose ratio, even in a beginner game.

JOAT is not confirmed. We have a second killing party outside the Mafia in the form of either JOAT or a vig.

There are two scenarios:

1. Mafia has an RB and killed LK accordingly while the JOAT/vig killed Hawkins.
2. Mafia doesn't have an RB and killed Hawkins randomly knowning LK would protect himself while the JOAT/vig was suspicious of LK and killed him (preemptively and stupidly).
There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss. " Clearly, it is this second part, the missing, which presents the difficulties.
drafterman
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12/14/2011 7:13:13 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/14/2011 7:06:58 PM, Viper-King wrote:
LYLO: Bluesteel said that we had 6 townies and 4 mafia. Now mafia killed one townie, jack-of-all-trades killed another and we mislynched. So we lost 3 townies which means the mafia are beating 4-3. No Mislynches. Careful guys.

The math is a little off. Blue said there are 4 mafia. There are 11 players, so we have 7 townies and 4 mafia.

Terminology:
MYLO - Mislynch and Lose. This happens when there are two more town than mafia. If the townie is lynched and one dies from the mafia night kill, the mafia will be tied up with the town, and win.

LYLO - Lynch or Lose. This happens when there is one more town than mafia. If the town fails to lynch mafia, they'll lose a townie during the night, tying up the teams.

Now, the existence of town killing roles, 3rd parties, and protective roles, can affect things, but it is good to know these terms.

We are not, however, at either MYLO or LYLO. Last day/night was a big hit, yes, but not insurmountable.
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12/14/2011 7:13:20 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/14/2011 7:06:58 PM, Viper-King wrote:
LYLO: Bluesteel said that we had 6 townies and 4 mafia. Now mafia killed one townie, jack-of-all-trades killed another and we mislynched. So we lost 3 townies which means the mafia are beating 4-3. No Mislynches. Careful guys.

EDIT: I don't understand your math. The game started with 14 players.
There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss. " Clearly, it is this second part, the missing, which presents the difficulties.
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12/14/2011 7:14:26 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
My role is vanilla (whatev). i win with the town and i dont have any powers which sucks. I was trying to act suspicious last night only because I was trying to act suspicion so that the mafia would think i had an important role and go after me. Then i could find out who was the mafia and all. I then claimed miller to distract mafia but failed because Mrs. Royal had caught me lying. Satsfied?
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12/14/2011 7:14:59 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/14/2011 7:12:23 PM, caveat wrote:
At 12/14/2011 7:06:58 PM, Viper-King wrote:
LYLO: Bluesteel said that we had 6 townies and 4 mafia. Now mafia killed one townie, jack-of-all-trades killed another and we mislynched. So we lost 3 townies which means the mafia are beating 4-3. No Mislynches. Careful guys.

Someone will have to confirm that... I find it highly unlikely that a mod would disclose ratio, even in a beginner game.

JOAT is not confirmed. We have a second killing party outside the Mafia in the form of either JOAT or a vig.

There are two scenarios:

1. Mafia has an RB and killed LK accordingly while the JOAT/vig killed Hawkins.
2. Mafia doesn't have an RB and killed Hawkins randomly knowning LK would protect himself while the JOAT/vig was suspicious of LK and killed him (preemptively and stupidly).

LK knew he would be targeted, which means he should have protected himself. That he still died either tells me that there is a mafia roleblocker, or LK didn't realize he could protect himself.

According to the DP1 thread, blue did say there are 4 mafia. If Hawkins died via JOAT, then we don't need to worry about that anymore. If he died via vig, then we don't need to worry about that today, as the vig described is odd-day only.
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12/14/2011 7:16:17 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/14/2011 7:13:13 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 12/14/2011 7:06:58 PM, Viper-King wrote:
LYLO: Bluesteel said that we had 6 townies and 4 mafia. Now mafia killed one townie, jack-of-all-trades killed another and we mislynched. So we lost 3 townies which means the mafia are beating 4-3. No Mislynches. Careful guys.

The math is a little off. Blue said there are 4 mafia. There are 11 players, so we have 7 townies and 4 mafia.
BUT WE HAVE 3 PLAYERS WITH NEITHER TOWN OR MAFIA.
Terminology:
MYLO - Mislynch and Lose. This happens when there are two more town than mafia. If the townie is lynched and one dies from the mafia night kill, the mafia will be tied up with the town, and win.

LYLO - Lynch or Lose. This happens when there is one more town than mafia. If the town fails to lynch mafia, they'll lose a townie during the night, tying up the teams.

Now, the existence of town killing roles, 3rd parties, and protective roles, can affect things, but it is good to know these terms.

We are not, however, at either MYLO or LYLO. Last day/night was a big hit, yes, but not insurmountable.

.
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12/14/2011 7:17:28 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/14/2011 7:14:26 PM, Viper-King wrote:
My role is vanilla (whatev). i win with the town and i dont have any powers which sucks. I was trying to act suspicious last night only because I was trying to act suspicion so that the mafia would think i had an important role and go after me. Then i could find out who was the mafia and all. I then claimed miller to distract mafia but failed because Mrs. Royal had caught me lying. Satsfied?

That makes no sense as you never asked for Doctor or Watcher etc. on you, so if you did manage to convince the mafia to kill you, the information would be unknown to town. Try again.
There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss. " Clearly, it is this second part, the missing, which presents the difficulties.
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12/14/2011 7:17:39 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/14/2011 7:14:26 PM, Viper-King wrote:
My role is vanilla (whatev). i win with the town and i dont have any powers which sucks. I was trying to act suspicious last night only because I was trying to act suspicion so that the mafia would think i had an important role and go after me. Then i could find out who was the mafia and all. I then claimed miller to distract mafia but failed because Mrs. Royal had caught me lying. Satsfied?

No. It is highly unlikely there is more than one vanilla. The goal with these games is maximum exposure. Any duplicate roles reduces the different types of roles we would find. While there HAVE been duplicate roles in beginner mafia games, they were reserved for later mafia games.

On the one hand, vanilla can have value in attracting the mafia kill, as they waste it on a person with no power. However, that doesn't help you, as you'd be dead and we wouldn't know who killed you. It just causes them to waste a kill on a vanilla role, it doesn't tell anyone who actually killed you.

Given that, I am going to keep my vote on you until we can get some investigative results (if applicable).
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12/14/2011 7:19:26 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/14/2011 7:14:59 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 12/14/2011 7:12:23 PM, caveat wrote:
At 12/14/2011 7:06:58 PM, Viper-King wrote:
LYLO: Bluesteel said that we had 6 townies and 4 mafia. Now mafia killed one townie, jack-of-all-trades killed another and we mislynched. So we lost 3 townies which means the mafia are beating 4-3. No Mislynches. Careful guys.

Someone will have to confirm that... I find it highly unlikely that a mod would disclose ratio, even in a beginner game.

JOAT is not confirmed. We have a second killing party outside the Mafia in the form of either JOAT or a vig.

There are two scenarios:

1. Mafia has an RB and killed LK accordingly while the JOAT/vig killed Hawkins.
2. Mafia doesn't have an RB and killed Hawkins randomly knowning LK would protect himself while the JOAT/vig was suspicious of LK and killed him (preemptively and stupidly).

LK knew he would be targeted, which means he should have protected himself. That he still died either tells me that there is a mafia roleblocker, or LK didn't realize he could protect himself.

According to the DP1 thread, blue did say there are 4 mafia. If Hawkins died via JOAT, then we don't need to worry about that anymore. If he died via vig, then we don't need to worry about that today, as the vig described is odd-day only.

I'm pretty sure LK knew he could target himself due to the way he was talking. If he believed he couldn't target himself (meaning he would have had a very slim chance of surviving the NP), he didn't act it.
There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss. " Clearly, it is this second part, the missing, which presents the difficulties.
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12/14/2011 7:20:36 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/14/2011 7:19:26 PM, caveat wrote:
At 12/14/2011 7:14:59 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 12/14/2011 7:12:23 PM, caveat wrote:
At 12/14/2011 7:06:58 PM, Viper-King wrote:
LYLO: Bluesteel said that we had 6 townies and 4 mafia. Now mafia killed one townie, jack-of-all-trades killed another and we mislynched. So we lost 3 townies which means the mafia are beating 4-3. No Mislynches. Careful guys.

Someone will have to confirm that... I find it highly unlikely that a mod would disclose ratio, even in a beginner game.

JOAT is not confirmed. We have a second killing party outside the Mafia in the form of either JOAT or a vig.

There are two scenarios:

1. Mafia has an RB and killed LK accordingly while the JOAT/vig killed Hawkins.
2. Mafia doesn't have an RB and killed Hawkins randomly knowning LK would protect himself while the JOAT/vig was suspicious of LK and killed him (preemptively and stupidly).

LK knew he would be targeted, which means he should have protected himself. That he still died either tells me that there is a mafia roleblocker, or LK didn't realize he could protect himself.

According to the DP1 thread, blue did say there are 4 mafia. If Hawkins died via JOAT, then we don't need to worry about that anymore. If he died via vig, then we don't need to worry about that today, as the vig described is odd-day only.

I'm pretty sure LK knew he could target himself due to the way he was talking. If he believed he couldn't target himself (meaning he would have had a very slim chance of surviving the NP), he didn't act it.

LK said, I believe, that he expected to die if he was forced to claim.
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12/14/2011 7:23:14 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/11/2011 10:55:55 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
If I give out my role, i will immediately get killed in the next NP.

I have a powerful role.

Guess you were right...

Well if we have a vig, they'd better play smarter. Actually, the same goes for a joat.
There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss. " Clearly, it is this second part, the missing, which presents the difficulties.
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12/14/2011 7:24:56 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/14/2011 7:14:26 PM, Viper-King wrote:
My role is vanilla (whatev). i win with the town and i dont have any powers which sucks. I was trying to act suspicious last night only because I was trying to act suspicion so that the mafia would think i had an important role and go after me. Then i could find out who was the mafia and all. I then claimed miller to distract mafia but failed because Mrs. Royal had caught me lying. Satsfied?

Not completely.
What benefit does a townie gain from pretending to be the miller? It seems as if only the mafia would gain from that.

VTL VK
: : :Tulle: The fool, I purposely don't engage with you because you don't have proper command of the English language.
: :
: : The Fool: It's my English writing. Either way It's okay have a larger vocabulary then you, and a better grasp of language, and you're a woman.
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12/14/2011 7:29:44 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/14/2011 7:24:56 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 12/14/2011 7:14:26 PM, Viper-King wrote:
My role is vanilla (whatev). i win with the town and i dont have any powers which sucks. I was trying to act suspicious last night only because I was trying to act suspicion so that the mafia would think i had an important role and go after me. Then i could find out who was the mafia and all. I then claimed miller to distract mafia but failed because Mrs. Royal had caught me lying. Satsfied?

Not completely.
What benefit does a townie gain from pretending to be the miller? It seems as if only the mafia would gain from that.

VTL VK

Perceptive. This is correct. Only mafia can gain from fake miller claims. However, as a beginner game, it is prudent to note that bad townie behavior is indistinguishable from bad mafia behavior.

Sometimes a townie may decide that they need to be aloof, if not deceptive, in order to bring about a certain situation. Bombs and PGO's want to be targeted by mafia night kills, for example. However, rather than outright lying to get this attention, it is better to learn how to act appropriately. A clever mafia will simply let a townie skewer themselves on their own lies and can recognize overt attempts to draw attention.
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12/14/2011 7:29:56 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/14/2011 7:24:56 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 12/14/2011 7:14:26 PM, Viper-King wrote:
My role is vanilla (whatev). i win with the town and i dont have any powers which sucks. I was trying to act suspicious last night only because I was trying to act suspicion so that the mafia would think i had an important role and go after me. Then i could find out who was the mafia and all. I then claimed miller to distract mafia but failed because Mrs. Royal had caught me lying. Satsfied?

Not completely.
What benefit does a townie gain from pretending to be the miller? It seems as if only the mafia would gain from that.

VTL VK

Throughout this thread, he seems to be avoiding the topic.
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12/14/2011 7:31:21 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/14/2011 7:29:44 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 12/14/2011 7:24:56 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 12/14/2011 7:14:26 PM, Viper-King wrote:
My role is vanilla (whatev). i win with the town and i dont have any powers which sucks. I was trying to act suspicious last night only because I was trying to act suspicion so that the mafia would think i had an important role and go after me. Then i could find out who was the mafia and all. I then claimed miller to distract mafia but failed because Mrs. Royal had caught me lying. Satsfied?

Not completely.
What benefit does a townie gain from pretending to be the miller? It seems as if only the mafia would gain from that.

VTL VK

Perceptive. This is correct. Only mafia can gain from fake miller claims. However, as a beginner game, it is prudent to note that bad townie behavior is indistinguishable from bad mafia behavior.

Sometimes a townie may decide that they need to be aloof, if not deceptive, in order to bring about a certain situation. Bombs and PGO's want to be targeted by mafia night kills, for example. However, rather than outright lying to get this attention, it is better to learn how to act appropriately. A clever mafia will simply let a townie skewer themselves on their own lies and can recognize overt attempts to draw attention.

This might be true, but he doesn't seem like a noob based on how he speaks.
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12/14/2011 7:33:05 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/14/2011 7:31:21 PM, wierdman wrote:
At 12/14/2011 7:29:44 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 12/14/2011 7:24:56 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 12/14/2011 7:14:26 PM, Viper-King wrote:
My role is vanilla (whatev). i win with the town and i dont have any powers which sucks. I was trying to act suspicious last night only because I was trying to act suspicion so that the mafia would think i had an important role and go after me. Then i could find out who was the mafia and all. I then claimed miller to distract mafia but failed because Mrs. Royal had caught me lying. Satsfied?

Not completely.
What benefit does a townie gain from pretending to be the miller? It seems as if only the mafia would gain from that.

VTL VK

Perceptive. This is correct. Only mafia can gain from fake miller claims. However, as a beginner game, it is prudent to note that bad townie behavior is indistinguishable from bad mafia behavior.

Sometimes a townie may decide that they need to be aloof, if not deceptive, in order to bring about a certain situation. Bombs and PGO's want to be targeted by mafia night kills, for example. However, rather than outright lying to get this attention, it is better to learn how to act appropriately. A clever mafia will simply let a townie skewer themselves on their own lies and can recognize overt attempts to draw attention.


This might be true, but he doesn't seem like a noob based on how he speaks.

He's a mafia noob and has also involved himself in too many mafia games and has been getting them confused.

Wierd, while we are waiting for more people to weigh in, can you present your suspicions about caveat?
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12/14/2011 7:35:32 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/14/2011 7:33:05 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 12/14/2011 7:31:21 PM, wierdman wrote:
At 12/14/2011 7:29:44 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 12/14/2011 7:24:56 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 12/14/2011 7:14:26 PM, Viper-King wrote:
My role is vanilla (whatev). i win with the town and i dont have any powers which sucks. I was trying to act suspicious last night only because I was trying to act suspicion so that the mafia would think i had an important role and go after me. Then i could find out who was the mafia and all. I then claimed miller to distract mafia but failed because Mrs. Royal had caught me lying. Satsfied?

Not completely.
What benefit does a townie gain from pretending to be the miller? It seems as if only the mafia would gain from that.

VTL VK

Perceptive. This is correct. Only mafia can gain from fake miller claims. However, as a beginner game, it is prudent to note that bad townie behavior is indistinguishable from bad mafia behavior.

Sometimes a townie may decide that they need to be aloof, if not deceptive, in order to bring about a certain situation. Bombs and PGO's want to be targeted by mafia night kills, for example. However, rather than outright lying to get this attention, it is better to learn how to act appropriately. A clever mafia will simply let a townie skewer themselves on their own lies and can recognize overt attempts to draw attention.


This might be true, but he doesn't seem like a noob based on how he speaks.

He's a mafia noob and has also involved himself in too many mafia games and has been getting them confused.

Wierd, while we are waiting for more people to weigh in, can you present your suspicions about caveat?

Pretty sure what he's stated is all he has. And I have my reasons.
There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss. " Clearly, it is this second part, the missing, which presents the difficulties.
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12/14/2011 7:37:33 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/14/2011 7:33:05 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 12/14/2011 7:31:21 PM, wierdman wrote:
At 12/14/2011 7:29:44 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 12/14/2011 7:24:56 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 12/14/2011 7:14:26 PM, Viper-King wrote:
My role is vanilla (whatev). i win with the town and i dont have any powers which sucks. I was trying to act suspicious last night only because I was trying to act suspicion so that the mafia would think i had an important role and go after me. Then i could find out who was the mafia and all. I then claimed miller to distract mafia but failed because Mrs. Royal had caught me lying. Satsfied?

Not completely.
What benefit does a townie gain from pretending to be the miller? It seems as if only the mafia would gain from that.

VTL VK

Perceptive. This is correct. Only mafia can gain from fake miller claims. However, as a beginner game, it is prudent to note that bad townie behavior is indistinguishable from bad mafia behavior.

Sometimes a townie may decide that they need to be aloof, if not deceptive, in order to bring about a certain situation. Bombs and PGO's want to be targeted by mafia night kills, for example. However, rather than outright lying to get this attention, it is better to learn how to act appropriately. A clever mafia will simply let a townie skewer themselves on their own lies and can recognize overt attempts to draw attention.


This might be true, but he doesn't seem like a noob based on how he speaks.

He's a mafia noob and has also involved himself in too many mafia games and has been getting them confused.

Wierd, while we are waiting for more people to weigh in, can you present your suspicions about caveat?

Not to divert the pressuring on VK, I believe caveat is a mafai aiming on the mislynching of townies.

A look into the previous day phase shows the way she/he continued to pressure tyler into submission. This process continued even after tyler role claimed. By this time, cleveat had no reason to continue pressuring tyler, but he/she continued without offering another reason why he should have been lynched.