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12/21/2011 8:06:26 AM
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12/21/2011 8:08:53 AM
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I win with town.

We need everybody to say this so LD can check it.
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12/21/2011 8:11:10 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Nice, they didn't disclose an encompassing list of roles!

I lose with the town.
There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss. " Clearly, it is this second part, the missing, which presents the difficulties.
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12/21/2011 8:15:24 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/21/2011 8:11:10 AM, caveat wrote:
Nice, they didn't disclose an encompassing list of roles!

I lose with the town.

I win with the town
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12/21/2011 8:16:36 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/21/2011 8:11:10 AM, caveat wrote:
Nice, they didn't disclose an encompassing list of roles!

I lose with the town.

Pressure Caveat for role claim, as he is best player in game. If he is Mafia we need to expose him early.

VTL Caveat
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12/21/2011 8:25:05 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
I win with the town.

@Tyler: do you not think that there is something special about "I lose with the town," because, to me, that seems like the exact same thing just using different words. If one loses with the town, then one must win with the town, right?

VTL TYLER for pressure
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12/21/2011 8:34:35 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/21/2011 8:25:05 AM, UnStupendousMan wrote:
I win with the town.

@Tyler: do you not think that there is something special about "I lose with the town," because, to me, that seems like the exact same thing just using different words. If one loses with the town, then one must win with the town, right?

VTL TYLER for pressure

You would think, however, I did not say anything regarding that. I just wanted to put pressure on the best player in the game, to claim. We need to find out his allegiance early on, if not, were in trouble. If he is town he is smart enough to stay alive with claim.
Today we begin in earnest the work of making sure that the world we leave our children is just a little bit better than the one we inhabit today. - President Obama
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12/21/2011 8:36:26 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/21/2011 8:34:35 AM, tyler90az wrote:
At 12/21/2011 8:25:05 AM, UnStupendousMan wrote:
I win with the town.

@Tyler: do you not think that there is something special about "I lose with the town," because, to me, that seems like the exact same thing just using different words. If one loses with the town, then one must win with the town, right?

VTL TYLER for pressure

You would think, however, I did not say anything regarding that. I just wanted to put pressure on the best player in the game, to claim. We need to find out his allegiance early on, if not, were in trouble. If he is town he is smart enough to stay alive with claim.

That actually seems logical. I still have my vote on you, though.
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12/21/2011 8:37:25 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/21/2011 8:16:36 AM, tyler90az wrote:
At 12/21/2011 8:11:10 AM, caveat wrote:
Nice, they didn't disclose an encompassing list of roles!

I lose with the town.

Pressure Caveat for role claim, as he is best player in game. If he is Mafia we need to expose him early.

VTL Caveat

Thanks for the compliment, though I haven't seen half of the players here in action so I'm hard-pressed to agree with you that I'm the best, or even near it :P

Nevertheless, exposing my role this early will not help town in the slightest. In fact, it will accomplish the exact opposite. I will claim once you garner evidence of suspicion and enough support, and not a moment sooner.
There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss. " Clearly, it is this second part, the missing, which presents the difficulties.
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12/21/2011 8:37:26 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/21/2011 8:36:26 AM, UnStupendousMan wrote:
At 12/21/2011 8:34:35 AM, tyler90az wrote:
At 12/21/2011 8:25:05 AM, UnStupendousMan wrote:
I win with the town.

@Tyler: do you not think that there is something special about "I lose with the town," because, to me, that seems like the exact same thing just using different words. If one loses with the town, then one must win with the town, right?

VTL TYLER for pressure

You would think, however, I did not say anything regarding that. I just wanted to put pressure on the best player in the game, to claim. We need to find out his allegiance early on, if not, were in trouble. If he is town he is smart enough to stay alive with claim.

That actually seems logical. I still have my vote on you, though.

It is not wise for me to give out my role.
Today we begin in earnest the work of making sure that the world we leave our children is just a little bit better than the one we inhabit today. - President Obama
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12/21/2011 8:44:29 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/21/2011 8:37:26 AM, tyler90az wrote:
At 12/21/2011 8:36:26 AM, UnStupendousMan wrote:
At 12/21/2011 8:34:35 AM, tyler90az wrote:
At 12/21/2011 8:25:05 AM, UnStupendousMan wrote:
I win with the town.

@Tyler: do you not think that there is something special about "I lose with the town," because, to me, that seems like the exact same thing just using different words. If one loses with the town, then one must win with the town, right?

VTL TYLER for pressure

You would think, however, I did not say anything regarding that. I just wanted to put pressure on the best player in the game, to claim. We need to find out his allegiance early on, if not, were in trouble. If he is town he is smart enough to stay alive with claim.

That actually seems logical. I still have my vote on you, though.

It is not wise for me to give out my role.

Both are acting scummy... however, you may both have powerful roles. I would think a mafia saying "I have a power roll!" would not be out of the question. IDK. Just trying to analyze this like it was the NFC championship before the Super Bowl.
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12/21/2011 8:47:08 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/21/2011 8:44:29 AM, UnStupendousMan wrote:
At 12/21/2011 8:37:26 AM, tyler90az wrote:
At 12/21/2011 8:36:26 AM, UnStupendousMan wrote:
At 12/21/2011 8:34:35 AM, tyler90az wrote:
At 12/21/2011 8:25:05 AM, UnStupendousMan wrote:
I win with the town.

@Tyler: do you not think that there is something special about "I lose with the town," because, to me, that seems like the exact same thing just using different words. If one loses with the town, then one must win with the town, right?

VTL TYLER for pressure

You would think, however, I did not say anything regarding that. I just wanted to put pressure on the best player in the game, to claim. We need to find out his allegiance early on, if not, were in trouble. If he is town he is smart enough to stay alive with claim.

That actually seems logical. I still have my vote on you, though.

It is not wise for me to give out my role.

Both are acting scummy... however, you may both have powerful roles. I would think a mafia saying "I have a power roll!" would not be out of the question. IDK. Just trying to analyze this like it was the NFC championship before the Super Bowl.

Wait. I thought this was the discussion between Caveat and Tyler. I want to say that because I fail. Caveat and Tyler are the one I think may be acting scummy.
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12/21/2011 8:47:33 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/21/2011 8:44:29 AM, UnStupendousMan wrote:
At 12/21/2011 8:37:26 AM, tyler90az wrote:
At 12/21/2011 8:36:26 AM, UnStupendousMan wrote:
At 12/21/2011 8:34:35 AM, tyler90az wrote:
At 12/21/2011 8:25:05 AM, UnStupendousMan wrote:
I win with the town.

@Tyler: do you not think that there is something special about "I lose with the town," because, to me, that seems like the exact same thing just using different words. If one loses with the town, then one must win with the town, right?

VTL TYLER for pressure

You would think, however, I did not say anything regarding that. I just wanted to put pressure on the best player in the game, to claim. We need to find out his allegiance early on, if not, were in trouble. If he is town he is smart enough to stay alive with claim.

That actually seems logical. I still have my vote on you, though.

It is not wise for me to give out my role.

Both are acting scummy... however, you may both have powerful roles. I would think a mafia saying "I have a power roll!" would not be out of the question. IDK. Just trying to analyze this like it was the NFC championship before the Super Bowl.

To drive my point home:
VTL UnStupendousMan

By your logic, if you choose not to claim at this very instant, you are also acting scummy. This is why people do not role claim for no good reason.
There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss. " Clearly, it is this second part, the missing, which presents the difficulties.
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12/21/2011 8:50:43 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/21/2011 8:47:33 AM, caveat wrote:
At 12/21/2011 8:44:29 AM, UnStupendousMan wrote:
At 12/21/2011 8:37:26 AM, tyler90az wrote:
At 12/21/2011 8:36:26 AM, UnStupendousMan wrote:
At 12/21/2011 8:34:35 AM, tyler90az wrote:
At 12/21/2011 8:25:05 AM, UnStupendousMan wrote:
I win with the town.

@Tyler: do you not think that there is something special about "I lose with the town," because, to me, that seems like the exact same thing just using different words. If one loses with the town, then one must win with the town, right?

VTL TYLER for pressure

You would think, however, I did not say anything regarding that. I just wanted to put pressure on the best player in the game, to claim. We need to find out his allegiance early on, if not, were in trouble. If he is town he is smart enough to stay alive with claim.

That actually seems logical. I still have my vote on you, though.

It is not wise for me to give out my role.

Both are acting scummy... however, you may both have powerful roles. I would think a mafia saying "I have a power roll!" would not be out of the question. IDK. Just trying to analyze this like it was the NFC championship before the Super Bowl.

To drive my point home:
VTL UnStupendousMan

By your logic, if you choose not to claim at this very instant, you are also acting scummy. This is why people do not role claim for no good reason.

Okay. I admit my logic was wrong. Do you want me to role claim?
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12/21/2011 8:52:23 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/21/2011 8:50:43 AM, UnStupendousMan wrote:
At 12/21/2011 8:47:33 AM, caveat wrote:
At 12/21/2011 8:44:29 AM, UnStupendousMan wrote:
At 12/21/2011 8:37:26 AM, tyler90az wrote:
At 12/21/2011 8:36:26 AM, UnStupendousMan wrote:
At 12/21/2011 8:34:35 AM, tyler90az wrote:
At 12/21/2011 8:25:05 AM, UnStupendousMan wrote:
I win with the town.

@Tyler: do you not think that there is something special about "I lose with the town," because, to me, that seems like the exact same thing just using different words. If one loses with the town, then one must win with the town, right?

VTL TYLER for pressure

You would think, however, I did not say anything regarding that. I just wanted to put pressure on the best player in the game, to claim. We need to find out his allegiance early on, if not, were in trouble. If he is town he is smart enough to stay alive with claim.

That actually seems logical. I still have my vote on you, though.

It is not wise for me to give out my role.

Both are acting scummy... however, you may both have powerful roles. I would think a mafia saying "I have a power roll!" would not be out of the question. IDK. Just trying to analyze this like it was the NFC championship before the Super Bowl.

To drive my point home:
VTL UnStupendousMan

By your logic, if you choose not to claim at this very instant, you are also acting scummy. This is why people do not role claim for no good reason.

Okay. I admit my logic was wrong. Do you want me to role claim?

That would be preferable.... We have stated our roles are too powerful, to claim.
Today we begin in earnest the work of making sure that the world we leave our children is just a little bit better than the one we inhabit today. - President Obama
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12/21/2011 8:54:45 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
I am also not saying my role is the most powerful in the game, as it is not. But I feel it would be wise to wait and reveal my role, at a later time.
Today we begin in earnest the work of making sure that the world we leave our children is just a little bit better than the one we inhabit today. - President Obama
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12/21/2011 8:55:23 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/21/2011 8:52:23 AM, tyler90az wrote:
At 12/21/2011 8:50:43 AM, UnStupendousMan wrote:
At 12/21/2011 8:47:33 AM, caveat wrote:
At 12/21/2011 8:44:29 AM, UnStupendousMan wrote:
At 12/21/2011 8:37:26 AM, tyler90az wrote:



It is not wise for me to give out my role.

Both are acting scummy... however, you may both have powerful roles. I would think a mafia saying "I have a power roll!" would not be out of the question. IDK. Just trying to analyze this like it was the NFC championship before the Super Bowl.

To drive my point home:
VTL UnStupendousMan

By your logic, if you choose not to claim at this very instant, you are also acting scummy. This is why people do not role claim for no good reason.

Okay. I admit my logic was wrong. Do you want me to role claim?

That would be preferable.... We have stated our roles are too powerful, to claim.

Okay. It says here on my role PM that I'm something called the beloved princess...
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12/21/2011 8:59:17 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/21/2011 8:55:23 AM, UnStupendousMan wrote:
At 12/21/2011 8:52:23 AM, tyler90az wrote:
At 12/21/2011 8:50:43 AM, UnStupendousMan wrote:
At 12/21/2011 8:47:33 AM, caveat wrote:
At 12/21/2011 8:44:29 AM, UnStupendousMan wrote:
At 12/21/2011 8:37:26 AM, tyler90az wrote:



It is not wise for me to give out my role.

Both are acting scummy... however, you may both have powerful roles. I would think a mafia saying "I have a power roll!" would not be out of the question. IDK. Just trying to analyze this like it was the NFC championship before the Super Bowl.

To drive my point home:
VTL UnStupendousMan

By your logic, if you choose not to claim at this very instant, you are also acting scummy. This is why people do not role claim for no good reason.

Okay. I admit my logic was wrong. Do you want me to role claim?

That would be preferable.... We have stated our roles are too powerful, to claim.

Okay. It says here on my role PM that I'm something called the beloved princess...

Didn't you read my posts? :S
No, I didn't want you to role claim. I specifically stated and was simply showing that role claiming for no good reason is detrimental to town.

Unvote. VTL Tyler for making USM role claim when he definitely knows better.
Scumpass points to you Tyler.
There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss. " Clearly, it is this second part, the missing, which presents the difficulties.
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12/21/2011 9:02:06 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Yes, revealing role claims this early wouldn't be beneficial.

VTL Tyler
This signature is full of timey wimey wibbly wobbly stuff...
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12/21/2011 9:04:40 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/21/2011 9:02:06 AM, MasterKage wrote:
Yes, revealing role claims this early wouldn't be beneficial.

VTL Tyler

?

We are pressuring Tyler TO role claim; is that right? So to say "role claiming is not beneficial" is hypocritical, correct?

S: (
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12/21/2011 9:05:50 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/21/2011 8:59:17 AM, caveat wrote:
At 12/21/2011 8:55:23 AM, UnStupendousMan wrote:
At 12/21/2011 8:52:23 AM, tyler90az wrote:
At 12/21/2011 8:50:43 AM, UnStupendousMan wrote:
At 12/21/2011 8:47:33 AM, caveat wrote:
At 12/21/2011 8:44:29 AM, UnStupendousMan wrote:
At 12/21/2011 8:37:26 AM, tyler90az wrote:



It is not wise for me to give out my role.

Both are acting scummy... however, you may both have powerful roles. I would think a mafia saying "I have a power roll!" would not be out of the question. IDK. Just trying to analyze this like it was the NFC championship before the Super Bowl.

To drive my point home:
VTL UnStupendousMan

By your logic, if you choose not to claim at this very instant, you are also acting scummy. This is why people do not role claim for no good reason.

Okay. I admit my logic was wrong. Do you want me to role claim?

That would be preferable.... We have stated our roles are too powerful, to claim.

Okay. It says here on my role PM that I'm something called the beloved princess...

Didn't you read my posts? :S
No, I didn't want you to role claim. I specifically stated and was simply showing that role claiming for no good reason is detrimental to town.

Unvote. VTL Tyler for making USM role claim when he definitely knows better.
Scumpass points to you Tyler.
This signature is full of timey wimey wibbly wobbly stuff...
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12/21/2011 9:06:45 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/21/2011 9:04:40 AM, UnStupendousMan wrote:
At 12/21/2011 9:02:06 AM, MasterKage wrote:
Yes, revealing role claims this early wouldn't be beneficial.

VTL Tyler

?

We are pressuring Tyler TO role claim; is that right? So to say "role claiming is not beneficial" is hypocritical, correct?

S: (

Now you're thinking.

However, he knew this before saying it would be "preferable" for you to roleclaim. Why would he ask you to role claim when he knew not to role claim himself?
There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss. " Clearly, it is this second part, the missing, which presents the difficulties.
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12/21/2011 9:06:53 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/21/2011 9:05:50 AM, MasterKage wrote:
At 12/21/2011 8:59:17 AM, caveat wrote:
At 12/21/2011 8:55:23 AM, UnStupendousMan wrote:
At 12/21/2011 8:52:23 AM, tyler90az wrote:
At 12/21/2011 8:50:43 AM, UnStupendousMan wrote:
At 12/21/2011 8:47:33 AM, caveat wrote:
At 12/21/2011 8:44:29 AM, UnStupendousMan wrote:
At 12/21/2011 8:37:26 AM, tyler90az wrote:



It is not wise for me to give out my role.

Both are acting scummy... however, you may both have powerful roles. I would think a mafia saying "I have a power roll!" would not be out of the question. IDK. Just trying to analyze this like it was the NFC championship before the Super Bowl.

To drive my point home:
VTL UnStupendousMan

By your logic, if you choose not to claim at this very instant, you are also acting scummy. This is why people do not role claim for no good reason.

Okay. I admit my logic was wrong. Do you want me to role claim?

That would be preferable.... We have stated our roles are too powerful, to claim.

Okay. It says here on my role PM that I'm something called the beloved princess...

Didn't you read my posts? :S
No, I didn't want you to role claim. I specifically stated and was simply showing that role claiming for no good reason is detrimental to town.

Unvote. VTL Tyler for making USM role claim when he definitely knows better.
Scumpass points to you Tyler.

OH. I fail.
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12/21/2011 9:08:51 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Unvote. VTL Tyler for making USM role claim when he definitely knows better.
Scumpass points to you Tyler.

Why would you want me to claim, when I say my role is powerful? That does the Town no good, it only benefits the mafia.

By your logic you should also have to role claim, VTL Caveat, for role claim.
Today we begin in earnest the work of making sure that the world we leave our children is just a little bit better than the one we inhabit today. - President Obama
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12/21/2011 9:12:01 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/21/2011 9:08:51 AM, tyler90az wrote:
Unvote. VTL Tyler for making USM role claim when he definitely knows better.
Scumpass points to you Tyler.

Why would you want me to claim, when I say my role is powerful? That does the Town no good, it only benefits the mafia.

By your logic you should also have to role claim, VTL Caveat, for role claim.
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12/21/2011 9:12:23 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/21/2011 9:06:53 AM, UnStupendousMan wrote:
OH. I fail.

It's not that bad though. If you are the Beloved Princess, it could go either way in terms of which side it benefits.

From what I recall there are different variations of what happens when she dies. Getting lynched means a DP skipped (bad for town). Dying in some other format can mean nothing, or it can mean a phase skipped depending on who killed you.

Keep that aspect quiet for now, the mafia will not risk missing a night phase by attempting to kill you.
There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss. " Clearly, it is this second part, the missing, which presents the difficulties.