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F-16_Fighting_Falcon
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12/28/2011 3:43:42 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Some topics I thought of, I pasted below. I would also consider debating any other interesting topic.

1) It is justified to bus your mafia teammates even if they are not willing. I'm pro.

2) Pressuring players whose style you know yields better results than pressuring new players or players whose style you don't know. I'm pro.

3) Lynch all liars. I'm Con.

4) Any other good topic.
drafterman
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12/28/2011 7:40:06 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/28/2011 3:43:42 AM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
Some topics I thought of, I pasted below. I would also consider debating any other interesting topic.

1) It is justified to bus your mafia teammates even if they are not willing. I'm pro.

2) Pressuring players whose style you know yields better results than pressuring new players or players whose style you don't know. I'm pro.

3) Lynch all liars. I'm Con.

4) Any other good topic.

I'd be willing to debate #3 after my current debate is finished.
drafterman
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12/28/2011 7:47:28 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/28/2011 7:44:23 AM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
Edit: I am CON on ALL three issues.

@ Drafterman, sure I would love to debate number 3. Let mew know when you are ready.
tvellalott
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12/28/2011 8:28:56 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
I'll debate number one as pro, but not for a while. I'm pretty busy with the holidays.
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12/28/2011 9:04:19 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
1- I agree (am con as well)

2- I WOULD debate it...but I would end up turning it into a debate about the ethics of pressuring new people.

3- I'm kind of in the middle. I take it on a case by case.
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12/28/2011 11:27:43 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/28/2011 11:26:22 AM, Lickdafoot wrote:
1) It is justified to bus your mafia teammates even if they are not willing. I'm pro.

i'd go con on that one :)

oh nevermind, i agree with you on all of those. (half and half on the LAL one)

it would be fun to do a mafia debate with you though. maybe in a week when im back from vacation, i'll have thought of a good one that i disagree with you on.
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12/28/2011 2:55:11 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/28/2011 10:45:45 AM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
@ TV, sure. Whenever you are ready.

@ DNinja, I am not entirely sure if I can debate ethics. But maybe.

I know very little of philosophical ethics. I'd just make a case about fairness. lol.

I have another debate idea I could debate:

Resolved: On NP1, a vigilante should almost always never kill. I'm Pro.
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socialpinko
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12/28/2011 3:09:37 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I'll take one whenever. I've never done it but believe that it's definitely justified.
: At 9/29/2014 10:55:59 AM, imabench wrote:
: : At 9/29/2014 9:43:46 AM, kbub wrote:
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: : DDO should discredit support of sexual violence at any time and in every way.
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: I disagree.
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12/28/2011 3:11:35 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/28/2011 3:09:37 PM, socialpinko wrote:
I'll take one whenever. I've never done it but believe that it's definitely justified.

Definitely. It's justified from a selfish perspective (if your philosophy is to live at all costs) and it's justified from a utilitarianism perspective (if you genuinely believe it's best for your team). Bussing is actually somewhat expected, no? Because it's advantageous as well.
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Danielle
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12/28/2011 3:15:36 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/28/2011 7:44:23 AM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
Edit: I am CON on ALL three issues.

Oh nvm - didn't see this. So you are Con for #2 then, like me... then why go against my strategy and pressure people you know in the dp of games? Psht :P
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F-16_Fighting_Falcon
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12/28/2011 3:17:45 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I'd like to debate everyone who posted, but Danielle is the first one who posted who can actually debate now, so I'll go ahead with that.

@ Danielle, (assuming you can debate now), would you be okay with this as the resolution:

As a townie in a mafia game, pressuring players who are experienced or whose style you know is more beneficial to the town overall than pressuring a new player or a player whose style you are unaware of.

I'd be Pro and defend the statement. You would defend the opposing position: That pressuring noobs or players whose style you don't know is more beneficial so shared BOP.

"You" would obviously refer the person doing the pressuring (assuming they are town).

New Player: A player who has played less than 3 games.
F-16_Fighting_Falcon
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12/28/2011 3:18:28 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/28/2011 3:15:36 PM, Danielle wrote:
At 12/28/2011 7:44:23 AM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
Edit: I am CON on ALL three issues.

Oh nvm - didn't see this. So you are Con for #2 then, like me... then why go against my strategy and pressure people you know in the dp of games? Psht :P

Actually, no. I am Pro on that. Sorry, I completely messed up my positions in the OP.
F-16_Fighting_Falcon
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12/28/2011 3:19:37 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Here are my positions. Sorry, I messed up in the OP.

Edit to the OP

1) It is justified to bus your mafia teammates even if they are not willing. I'm Con.

2) Pressuring players whose style you know yields better results than pressuring new players or players whose style you don't know. I'm Pro.

3) Lynch all liars. I'm Con.

4) Any other good topic.
DetectableNinja
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12/28/2011 3:20:03 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Resolved: On NP1, a vigilante should almost always never kill. I'm Pro?
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socialpinko
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12/28/2011 3:20:37 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
F-295, I can debate you on #1 whenever.
: At 9/29/2014 10:55:59 AM, imabench wrote:
: : At 9/29/2014 9:43:46 AM, kbub wrote:
: :
: : DDO should discredit support of sexual violence at any time and in every way.
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: I disagree.
F-16_Fighting_Falcon
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12/28/2011 3:25:27 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
@ DNinja, I agree with you on that topic.

@ SocialPinko, sure I'd like to debate you on that. I want to hear from Danielle since she posted first, but if she accepts the challenge, then I will debate you after I finish that debate.
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12/28/2011 3:34:03 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/28/2011 3:19:37 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
2) Pressuring players whose style you know yields better results than pressuring new players or players whose style you don't know. I'm Pro.

Yes, I'll debate this... So to be clear, I'll be arguing that pressuring noobs or players whose style you don't know is more beneficial.
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F-16_Fighting_Falcon
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12/28/2011 3:35:22 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/28/2011 3:34:03 PM, Danielle wrote:
At 12/28/2011 3:19:37 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
2) Pressuring players whose style you know yields better results than pressuring new players or players whose style you don't know. I'm Pro.

Yes, I'll debate this... So to be clear, I'll be arguing that pressuring noobs or players whose style you don't know is more beneficial.

Sure. I'll send you a challenge. I don't have a case written up but I can send you an acceptance round right now and if you want to change anything, let me know in the comments.
drafterman
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1/3/2012 7:55:19 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/28/2011 3:35:22 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
At 12/28/2011 3:34:03 PM, Danielle wrote:
At 12/28/2011 3:19:37 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
2) Pressuring players whose style you know yields better results than pressuring new players or players whose style you don't know. I'm Pro.

Yes, I'll debate this... So to be clear, I'll be arguing that pressuring noobs or players whose style you don't know is more beneficial.

Sure. I'll send you a challenge. I don't have a case written up but I can send you an acceptance round right now and if you want to change anything, let me know in the comments.

Let me know when you're done this debate. I will change you vis-a-vis Lynch All Liars.
socialpinko
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1/11/2012 10:04:25 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Resolved: It is justified to bus your mafia teammates even if they are not willing

Remember everyone I'm willing to do this one.
: At 9/29/2014 10:55:59 AM, imabench wrote:
: : At 9/29/2014 9:43:46 AM, kbub wrote:
: :
: : DDO should discredit support of sexual violence at any time and in every way.
:
: I disagree.
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1/11/2012 10:12:06 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/11/2012 10:04:25 AM, socialpinko wrote:
Resolved: It is justified to bus your mafia teammates even if they are not willing

Remember everyone I'm willing to do this one.

I will do this :)
socialpinko
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1/11/2012 10:15:21 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/11/2012 10:12:28 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
Send out the challenge, socialpinko.

Sure thing.
: At 9/29/2014 10:55:59 AM, imabench wrote:
: : At 9/29/2014 9:43:46 AM, kbub wrote:
: :
: : DDO should discredit support of sexual violence at any time and in every way.
:
: I disagree.