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Gangster Chronicles DP 5

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2/18/2012 8:34:16 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
With the death of their polished assassin, Eliot Ness, the Feds needed someone with a strong hatred of the Corleones to step up and do their dirty work. They found the right man for the job. Though he wasn't as experienced as Ness, he was determined to fill the shoes. His philosophy: Given enough explosives, anyone can be an efficient killer. He found Joe Barbaro's car in a warehouse parking lot, with two Corleone vehicles on each side of it. He slipped in quietly and planted the bomb, then retreated into the darkness, back to his own car hidden on a dirt road just close enough to give him a good view. Within minutes Barbaro came out of the warehouse office, whistling as he walked toward his vehicle. He entered the car, opened a beer, and thought about visiting his girl, Gina. He turned the ignition which sparked an explosion so big that it disintegrated his car, and also blew up the four cars surrounding it. "Holy sh!t !!", the assassin screamed, startled by the size of the explosion. "Maybe I overdid it…hehe…nah".

In the kitchen area of the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles, a large man, of Italian decent, dons a chef's uniform and hides himself inside a janitor's closet. He opens up a doorway in the floor of the closet to speed his getaway. Outside in the main hall, U.S. Attorney General, and Senatorial candidate Robert F. Kennedy finishes up his campaign speech. The Italian hears the crowd break into an ovation, and opens the closet door just enough to allow him to see through to the kitchen entrance. Within seconds Kennedy appears in the entranceway. The man flings open the closet door, and fires six shots from a .22 caliber revolver into Kennedy's head and torso. He then jumped into the hole in the floor, pulled the door closed with a rope, and tied the rope off to the ladder leading down to the sewer tunnels. As he ran through the tunnels he discarded the uniform. Within minutes he arrived at the tunnel exit, blocks away from the scene, where his car was parked. He followed the news continuously for the next 24 hours, and finally heard the words he wanted to hear. Robert Kennedy had died. A boyish grin came over his rough, aging face, as he muttered to himself, "Don Vito will be pleased".

Sleeping wit' da fishes:

Drafterman- You are Robert F. Kennedy, U.S. Attorney General, and leader of The Feds. As the instigator in the fight against organized crime, you are often seen as the bad guy that you are. Having a brother who is President, however, means that you can play as dirty as the bad guys in order to fulfill your goals. You will not be found guilty if your allegiance is checked. You give the order, and one of your jack-booted thugs will knock that person off. You win with The Feds (Mafia).

Thaddeus2/Caps- You are Joey Barbaro, a Corleone intelligence officer. You are given the task of keeping an eye on family members in case they're attacked. On even nights you may watch a player and be given the names of all who visit that player (Watcher). You win with the Corleone family (Town).

PR- You are Elliot Ness, a former agent for the Bureau of Prohibition, where your work helped to eventually bring down Al Capone. You were a good guy until you went to work for The Feds. Your squeaky clean image helps you avoid detection by the Corleone intelligence squad. You will not be seen by watchers or trackers (Ninja), but if your loyalty is tested you will fail. You win with The Feds (Mafia).

Xerge- Vanilla/???- ???
Greyparrot- Lie Detector- Corleones
LordKnukle- Role Cop- Corleones
Blackvoid- Doctor-Corleones
Thaddeus- JOAT-Corleones
Royalpaladin_____________________

Active Players:

1. TUF
3. F-16 Fighting Falcon
4. Lickdafoot
7. LK2/Headphonegut
8. Koopin
11. Viper-King
12. Lovelife/USM
13.Blackhawk1331
15. Andro
17. HCP
19. Logic
20. Vmpire321
22. Blackvoid2

With 13 players it takes 7 to lynch.

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Blackvoid2 1/7- Blackvoid2*
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2/18/2012 8:39:06 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
TUF, how did you get a guilty on Drafter when he was the godfather? Anyways, I am going to update the Drafterlist. I feel like the backup drafterman :P
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2/18/2012 8:51:14 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
DEAD
1. RoyalPaladin - (unknown) - (unknown) (Likely TOWN)
2. Thaddeus - Paulie "Walnuts" Gaultieri - JOAT (TOWN)
3. BlackVoid (1) - El Greco - Corleone Doctor (TOWN)
4. LordKnukle (1) - Silvio Dante - Role Cop (TOWN)
5. GreyParrot - John Dillinger - Lie Detector (TOWN)
6. Xerge - Tony "Scarface" Montana - Vanilla (TOWN)
7. Thaddeus1 - Joey Barbaro - Even NP Watcher (TOWN)
8. PartamRuhem - Elliot Ness - Ninja (recruited?) (MAFIA)
9. Drafterman - Robert F. Kennedy - Godfather (MAFIA)

ROLE CLAIMS
1) vmpire - Frankie Pentangelli - Miller
2) TUF - Baby-Face Nelson - Odd-NP Kidnapper/Cop
3) F-16 - Clyde Barrow - Cop (1,4,7); Doc (2,5,8)
4) Blackhawk - Anthony Soprano - Vanilla
5) Viper-King - Vyacheslav Ivankov - Sensor
6) Koopin - Al Capone - Roleblocker
7) LordKnukle2 - Meyer Lansky - Role revealer
8) Blackvoid2 - Luca Brasi - Double Voter

CHARACTER CLAIMS
9) Andromeda_Z - Don Vito
10) HCP - Charlie "Pretty Boy" Floyd
11) Lovelife - Vito Scaletta
12) Lickdafoot - Bonnie Parker
13) Logic_on_Rails - Butch Cassidy

RESULTS
Thaddeus - NP1: No action, NP2: No one visited Greyparrot, NP3: No action
TUF - NP1: Investigates LK1(dead) innocent, NP3: Investigates Drafterman guilty
F-16 - NP1: Investigates BlackVoid guilty, NP2: Protects Lickdafoot, NP3: Jailed
Koopin - NP1: Skips night action, NP2: Jailed, NP3: Skips night action
Knukle2 - NP1: Visited PR, NP2: Forfeited, NP3: Visited Koopin
Viper - (TUF, Drafter, Grey, LDF, BV2, Vampire, PR, LK2, Thaddeus2, Koopin) - 4 mafia

SENSOR RESULTS
We know that 2 out of these 6 players are mafia:
1. TUF - COP/SILENCER
2. Vmpire - MILLER
3. Lickdafoot
4. BlackVoid2 - DOUBLE VOTER
5. LorKnukle2 - ROLE REVEALER
6. Koopin - ROLEBLOCKER
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2/18/2012 8:54:31 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
DEAD
1. RoyalPaladin - (unknown) - (unknown) (Likely TOWN)
2. Thaddeus - Paulie "Walnuts" Gaultieri - JOAT (TOWN)
3. BlackVoid (1) - El Greco - Corleone Doctor (TOWN)
4. LordKnukle (1) - Silvio Dante - Role Cop (TOWN)
5. GreyParrot - John Dillinger - Lie Detector (TOWN)
6. Xerge - Tony "Scarface" Montana - Vanilla (TOWN)
7. Thaddeus1 - Joey Barbaro - Even NP Watcher (TOWN)
8. PartamRuhem - Elliot Ness - Ninja (recruited?) (MAFIA)
9. Drafterman - Robert F. Kennedy - Godfather (MAFIA)

ROLE CLAIMS
1) vmpire - Frankie Pentangelli - Miller
2) TUF - Baby-Face Nelson - Odd-NP Kidnapper/Cop
3) F-16 - Clyde Barrow - Cop (1,4,7); Doc (2,5,8)
4) Blackhawk - Anthony Soprano - Vanilla
5) Viper-King - Vyacheslav Ivankov - Sensor
6) Koopin - Al Capone - Roleblocker
7) LordKnukle2 - Meyer Lansky - Role revealer
8) Blackvoid2 - Luca Brasi - Double Voter
9) HCP - Charlie "Pretty Boy" Floyd - 50% Bulletproof

CHARACTER CLAIMS
10) Andromeda_Z - Don Vito
11) Lovelife - Vito Scaletta
12) Lickdafoot - Bonnie Parker
13) Logic_on_Rails - Butch Cassidy

RESULTS
Thaddeus - NP1: No action, NP2: No one visited Greyparrot, NP3: No action
TUF - NP1: Investigates LK1(dead) innocent, NP3: Investigates Drafterman guilty
F-16 - NP1: Investigates BlackVoid guilty, NP2: Protects Lickdafoot, NP3: Jailed
Koopin - NP1: Skips night action, NP2: Jailed, NP3: Skips night action
Knukle2 - NP1: Visited PR, NP2: Forfeited, NP3: Visited Koopin
Viper - (TUF, Drafter, Grey, LDF, BV2, Vampire, PR, LK2, Thaddeus2, Koopin) - 4 mafia

SENSOR RESULTS
We know that 2 out of these 6 players are mafia:
1. TUF - COP/SILENCER
2. Vmpire - MILLER
3. Lickdafoot
4. BlackVoid2 - DOUBLE VOTER
5. LorKnukle2 - ROLE REVEALER
6. Koopin - ROLEBLOCKER
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2/18/2012 9:07:08 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/18/2012 8:57:25 PM, BlackVoid wrote:
Posts will be minimal for a few hours.

F-16 we need your results now.

I got a guilty on LordKnukle. I am not sure if I can trust it though.
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2/18/2012 9:09:39 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
DEAD
1. RoyalPaladin - (unknown) - (unknown) (Likely TOWN)
2. Thaddeus - Paulie "Walnuts" Gaultieri - JOAT (TOWN)
3. BlackVoid (1) - El Greco - Corleone Doctor (TOWN)
4. LordKnukle (1) - Silvio Dante - Role Cop (TOWN)
5. GreyParrot - John Dillinger - Lie Detector (TOWN)
6. Xerge - Tony "Scarface" Montana - Vanilla (TOWN)
7. Thaddeus1 - Joey Barbaro - Even NP Watcher (TOWN)
8. PartamRuhem - Elliot Ness - Ninja (recruited?) (MAFIA)
9. Drafterman - Robert F. Kennedy - Godfather (MAFIA)

ROLE CLAIMS
1) vmpire - Frankie Pentangelli - Miller
2) TUF - Baby-Face Nelson - Odd-NP Kidnapper/Cop
3) F-16 - Clyde Barrow - Cop (1,4,7); Doc (2,5,8)
4) Blackhawk - Anthony Soprano - Vanilla
5) Viper-King - Vyacheslav Ivankov - Sensor
6) Koopin - Al Capone - Roleblocker
7) LordKnukle2 - Meyer Lansky - Role revealer
8) Blackvoid2 - Luca Brasi - Double Voter
9) HCP - Charlie "Pretty Boy" Floyd - 50% Bulletproof

CHARACTER CLAIMS
10) Andromeda_Z - Don Vito
11) Lovelife - Vito Scaletta
12) Lickdafoot - Bonnie Parker
13) Logic_on_Rails - Butch Cassidy

RESULTS
Thaddeus - NP1: No action, NP2: No one visited Greyparrot, NP3: No action
TUF - NP1: Investigates LK1(dead) innocent, NP3: Investigates Drafterman guilty
F-16 - NP1: BV guilty, NP2: Protects LDF, NP3: Jailed, LK guilty
Koopin - NP1: Skips night action, NP2: Jailed, NP3: Skip, NP4: RB'd Blackhawk
Knukle2 - NP1: Visited PR, NP2: Forfeited, NP3: Visited Koopin
Viper - (TUF, Drafter, Grey, LDF, BV2, Vampire, PR, LK2, Thaddeus2, Koopin) - 4 mafia

SENSOR RESULTS
We know that 2 out of these 6 players are mafia:
1. TUF - COP/SILENCER
2. Vmpire - MILLER
3. Lickdafoot
4. BlackVoid2 - DOUBLE VOTER
5. LorKnukle2 - ROLE REVEALER
6. Koopin - ROLEBLOCKER
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2/18/2012 9:10:13 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I think that our safest bet this DP will definitely be Koopin. Townie role blocker is a pretty standard fake claim for a mafia role blocker and there usually is one in every single game. Not to mention that a townie role blocker is pretty anti- Town to begin with so even if he was town, we would not be losing too much.

VTL Koopin

Also, I would like BV2 to demonstrate his two vote ability just to confirm himself.
"Easy is the descent to Avernus, for the door to the Underworld lies upon both day and night. But to retrace your steps and return to the breezes above- that's the task, that's the toil."
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2/18/2012 9:10:44 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/18/2012 9:07:08 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
At 2/18/2012 8:57:25 PM, BlackVoid wrote:
Posts will be minimal for a few hours.

F-16 we need your results now.

I got a guilty on LordKnukle. I am not sure if I can trust it though.

Oh how amazing.....

Obvious mafia framer is obvious.
"Easy is the descent to Avernus, for the door to the Underworld lies upon both day and night. But to retrace your steps and return to the breezes above- that's the task, that's the toil."
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2/18/2012 9:11:27 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/18/2012 9:10:13 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
I think that our safest bet this DP will definitely be Koopin. Townie role blocker is a pretty standard fake claim for a mafia role blocker and there usually is one in every single game. Not to mention that a townie role blocker is pretty anti- Town to begin with so even if he was town, we would not be losing too much.

VTL Koopin

Also, I would like BV2 to demonstrate his two vote ability just to confirm himself.

Who did you pick last night to reveal?
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2/18/2012 9:11:29 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/18/2012 8:39:06 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
TUF, how did you get a guilty on Drafter when he was the godfather? Anyways, I am going to update the Drafterlist. I feel like the backup drafterman :P

TUF, explain please.
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2/18/2012 9:12:08 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/18/2012 9:11:27 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
At 2/18/2012 9:10:13 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
I think that our safest bet this DP will definitely be Koopin. Townie role blocker is a pretty standard fake claim for a mafia role blocker and there usually is one in every single game. Not to mention that a townie role blocker is pretty anti- Town to begin with so even if he was town, we would not be losing too much.

VTL Koopin

Also, I would like BV2 to demonstrate his two vote ability just to confirm himself.

Who did you pick last night to reveal?

Koopin again.
"Easy is the descent to Avernus, for the door to the Underworld lies upon both day and night. But to retrace your steps and return to the breezes above- that's the task, that's the toil."
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2/18/2012 9:12:13 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/18/2012 9:07:08 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
At 2/18/2012 8:57:25 PM, BlackVoid wrote:
Posts will be minimal for a few hours.

F-16 we need your results now.

I got a guilty on LordKnukle. I am not sure if I can trust it though.

We know that if Vipers telling the truth, then either LK, Koopin, and TUF are confirmed mafia. TUF looks a lot like he bussed drafterman since he turned out to be the GF.
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2/18/2012 9:13:17 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/18/2012 9:12:13 PM, BlackVoid wrote:
At 2/18/2012 9:07:08 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
At 2/18/2012 8:57:25 PM, BlackVoid wrote:
Posts will be minimal for a few hours.

F-16 we need your results now.

I got a guilty on LordKnukle. I am not sure if I can trust it though.

We know that if Vipers telling the truth, then either LK, Koopin, and TUF are confirmed mafia. TUF looks a lot like he bussed drafterman since he turned out to be the GF.

Judging by my last DP's behaviour towards PR, me being mafia is pretty much of a stretch.
"Easy is the descent to Avernus, for the door to the Underworld lies upon both day and night. But to retrace your steps and return to the breezes above- that's the task, that's the toil."
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2/18/2012 9:13:48 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/18/2012 9:13:20 PM, BlackVoid wrote:
Knuckle they stole my vote again, for obvious reasons.

Vote normally then and see if Medic counts it.
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2/18/2012 9:14:39 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Also, LDF has not claimed anything. We should at least pressure her before we proceed on a lynch.

She is probably just mafia sitting in the back corner watching us all tear each other apart xd

Unvote VTL Lickda
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2/18/2012 9:15:00 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/18/2012 9:12:13 PM, BlackVoid wrote:
At 2/18/2012 9:07:08 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
At 2/18/2012 8:57:25 PM, BlackVoid wrote:
Posts will be minimal for a few hours.

F-16 we need your results now.

I got a guilty on LordKnukle. I am not sure if I can trust it though.

We know that if Vipers telling the truth, then either LK, Koopin, and TUF are confirmed mafia. TUF looks a lot like he bussed drafterman since he turned out to be the GF.

That is the interesting part. Why would he claim a guilty on the Godfather? Also, since my results are flawed in some way either insane or paranoid, it makes sense that there is at least one sane cop. If TUF is mafia, there are no sane cops. I wouldn't put it past Medic to make it that way but it seems unlikely.
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2/18/2012 9:18:17 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/18/2012 9:15:00 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
At 2/18/2012 9:12:13 PM, BlackVoid wrote:
At 2/18/2012 9:07:08 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
At 2/18/2012 8:57:25 PM, BlackVoid wrote:
Posts will be minimal for a few hours.

F-16 we need your results now.

I got a guilty on LordKnukle. I am not sure if I can trust it though.

We know that if Vipers telling the truth, then either LK, Koopin, and TUF are confirmed mafia. TUF looks a lot like he bussed drafterman since he turned out to be the GF.

That is the interesting part. Why would he claim a guilty on the Godfather? Also, since my results are flawed in some way either insane or paranoid, it makes sense that there is at least one sane cop. If TUF is mafia, there are no sane cops. I wouldn't put it past Medic to make it that way but it seems unlikely.

Before we make any rash decisions, TUF needs to tell us if his role explicitly stated that he would be able to go through godfather type investigation blockers. I agree that bussing the godfather would be an incredibly stupid move, but it is possible to gain ultimate confirmation. Although, in the face of uncertainty, the most likely possibility needs to be taken in. Chances are, TUF isn't mafia but his role is special. He could also be an LD.
"Easy is the descent to Avernus, for the door to the Underworld lies upon both day and night. But to retrace your steps and return to the breezes above- that's the task, that's the toil."
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2/18/2012 9:20:19 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/18/2012 9:19:15 PM, Viper-King wrote:
i say we lynch LK...

Did you C/P from the Jug game?
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2/18/2012 9:23:16 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
On second thought, bussing really doesnt make sense. At the time mafia hadn't lost a single member and was dominating the game. Bussing then realmy wasnt necessary and doesn't make sense from a strategic position.
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2/18/2012 9:23:22 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/18/2012 8:39:06 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
TUF, how did you get a guilty on Drafter when he was the godfather? Anyways, I am going to update the Drafterlist. I feel like the backup drafterman :P

It wasn't a guilty, it was an affiliation.
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2/18/2012 9:24:17 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/18/2012 9:23:22 PM, TUF wrote:
At 2/18/2012 8:39:06 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
TUF, how did you get a guilty on Drafter when he was the godfather? Anyways, I am going to update the Drafterlist. I feel like the backup drafterman :P

It wasn't a guilty, it was an affiliation.

But Grey was the Lie Detector. Are you counterclaiming him?
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2/18/2012 9:25:02 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/18/2012 9:23:22 PM, TUF wrote:
At 2/18/2012 8:39:06 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
TUF, how did you get a guilty on Drafter when he was the godfather? Anyways, I am going to update the Drafterlist. I feel like the backup drafterman :P

It wasn't a guilty, it was an affiliation.

So LD?
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2/18/2012 9:35:00 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/18/2012 9:24:17 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
At 2/18/2012 9:23:22 PM, TUF wrote:
At 2/18/2012 8:39:06 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
TUF, how did you get a guilty on Drafter when he was the godfather? Anyways, I am going to update the Drafterlist. I feel like the backup drafterman :P

It wasn't a guilty, it was an affiliation.

But Grey was the Lie Detector. Are you counterclaiming him?

What are you talking about? I'm not an LD, I am a kidnapper. I can kidnapp a person, and they can't talk throughout the rest of the day phase. They also become protected from an NK, and a lynch.
Upon kidnapping them, I learn their affiliation.
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2/18/2012 9:36:42 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/18/2012 9:35:00 PM, TUF wrote:
At 2/18/2012 9:24:17 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
At 2/18/2012 9:23:22 PM, TUF wrote:
At 2/18/2012 8:39:06 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
TUF, how did you get a guilty on Drafter when he was the godfather? Anyways, I am going to update the Drafterlist. I feel like the backup drafterman :P

It wasn't a guilty, it was an affiliation.

But Grey was the Lie Detector. Are you counterclaiming him?

What are you talking about? I'm not an LD, I am a kidnapper. I can kidnapp a person, and they can't talk throughout the rest of the day phase. They also become protected from an NK, and a lynch.
Upon kidnapping them, I learn their affiliation.

I don't buy your claim as town but unfortunately I have to since bussing your godfather would be incredibly stupid at that point in the game.

On the good side, we pretty much know all the mafia now.

BTW, I would suggest putting more pressure on Lickdafoot so that she can claim.
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2/18/2012 9:36:54 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/18/2012 9:35:00 PM, TUF wrote:
At 2/18/2012 9:24:17 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
At 2/18/2012 9:23:22 PM, TUF wrote:
At 2/18/2012 8:39:06 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
TUF, how did you get a guilty on Drafter when he was the godfather? Anyways, I am going to update the Drafterlist. I feel like the backup drafterman :P

It wasn't a guilty, it was an affiliation.

But Grey was the Lie Detector. Are you counterclaiming him?

What are you talking about? I'm not an LD, I am a kidnapper. I can kidnapp a person, and they can't talk throughout the rest of the day phase. They also become protected from an NK, and a lynch.
Upon kidnapping them, I learn their affiliation.

Okay. Makes sense. You did say that you "learn their affiliation" in DP2 so I guess it makes sense.