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TUF
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2/19/2012 8:35:39 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
After the fiasco the day before the humans had learned to be careful. They made every preparation for every incident. They were not going to let to let that "thing" get the best of them. They were prepared.

They watched each other all night. Finally the thing made an attempt as _____ broke out and attacked one of the humans. But the humans were ready. They all pointed their flame throwers at the thing. They now knew who he was, and were lucky that no one had been consumed. They torched it relentlessly, and watched it burn.

Burning pile of ashes:

Kyro90: You are Palmer, the human. Your goal is to stay alive, and help the others figure out who the thing is! Play smart, and don't let the thing get you! You win with the town.
(Consumed night phase 4)

LordKnukle: You are Clark, The reviver (surgeon). You have a defibulater, than you can use to restart a person's heart with. Unfortunately you only have enough batteries with you on the expedition to complete this action once, so choose wisely!
If consumed, your role becomes null and void. You win with the town.
(consumed NP 2)

Viper-King:
You are the original thing(Godfather). After being frozen for years, your ready to reap havoc on the people of earth. First things first, you can't die! In order to take over the human race you must take over each human one by one on this secluded little continent, before you can make your rounds around the world.
You can take over (recruit) one person each night. You win if your army exceeds the number of humans left alive.
You can only be killed by a lynch, thus you are bulletproof during the night phase, however the same won't apply for the humans you consume. Upon recruiting, you and your fellow things get to contribute together and decide who to recruit, but overall, you get to make the official decision. If you get lynched, you get to decide who will carry out the recruit action at night. Good luck, and don't get lynched!
You win with the mafia.

(original thing)

1. Medic0506
2. OberHerr
3. Andromeda_Z
4. Royalpaladin
5. Blackhawk1331
6. lovelife
7. Jordan56
8. Thaddeus

it takes 5/8 votes to lynch.

I am going to Mod Kill kyro90. Here is my reasoning:
Both sides still have every chance of winning. Kyro90 admitting to being mafia, so assuming more players were active, kyro90 would have been lynched last day phase. By letting him live, I feel like the town will be punished for the inactivity of their members. It is safe to assume that we would waste another day phase trying to lynch kyro90, and we would just be wasting time. If kyro90 didn't admit to being mafia, I would allow him to live. Some players may be mad at me for this, but I realize people will be mad if I didn't as well. I had to make the decision that I believed was more fair. That being said, the mafia still have every chance of winning, like I said. I hope this doesn't make too many people angry, and that we can continue on with the game as normal. If you have problems with this, please feel free to discuss it with me via person message. With that said, have fun!
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2/19/2012 8:42:53 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Ok, we need to make a timeline of what has happened so far.

Viper: Original thing (dead)
????-Converted NP1
LordKnukle-Converted NP2 (dead)
????-Converted NP3
Kyro-converted NP4 (dead)
????-converted NP5

Three mafiosos remain.
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2/19/2012 8:44:57 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I don't mean to intrude but I couldn't help noticing that TUF was actively punishing the mafia. I mean, wasting time is a legitimate mafia tactic. Why do you think mafia lurk? Why do you think they discourage activity? It is a tactic which gives them a better chance of winning.
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2/19/2012 8:46:14 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Yesterday's Analysis

Case Against Kyro

Last DP, HCP, Partam, and I were confirmed as town.
Living or consumed players:
1. Medic0506-clear
2. Hardcore.Pwnography
3. Andromeda_Z
4. royalpaladin-clear
5. Kyro90
6. Blackhawk1331-clear
7. lovelife -clear
8. PartamRuhem
9. Vmpire321

3 are mafia. At least one of HCP and PR is clear. If we eliminate both of them from the list, we are left with:

Andro
Kyro
Vmpire

2 are mafia from this list. Lovelife visited vmpire and cleared him.

Andro
Kyro

Today's Analysis
As you can see, yesterday's analysis was flawed. As of yesterday, both HCP and Jordan (Partam) were clear. So, at least one mafioso was lying.

lovelife is probably the mafia recruiter.

VTL lovelife
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2/19/2012 8:46:47 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/19/2012 8:44:57 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
I don't mean to intrude but I couldn't help noticing that TUF was actively punishing the mafia. I mean, wasting time is a legitimate mafia tactic. Why do you think mafia lurk? Why do you think they discourage activity? It is a tactic which gives them a better chance of winning.

That was not the issue. We were one vote away from hammering . . .
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2/19/2012 8:51:21 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/19/2012 8:44:57 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
I don't mean to intrude but I couldn't help noticing that TUF was actively punishing the mafia. I mean, wasting time is a legitimate mafia tactic. Why do you think mafia lurk? Why do you think they discourage activity? It is a tactic which gives them a better chance of winning.

^ This. Town inactivity has allowed the mafia to win many a game and is both within the spirit and the law of the game.

Furthermore, mod killing is a SERIOUS thing to do and should only be done when there as been some violation of the rules (Cut and Pasting a PM, Posting when Silenced, PMing other people etc.) and, possibly, when the player is trolling and is not playing seriously (for example, deliberately playing against their win condition).

As a mod, you shouldn't have vested interest in one side over the other. To mod kill someone because the Town is inactive... that's the TOWN's fault. Punish THEM. Modkill a Townie as an example or ... you know ... do what everyone else does in response to inactivity: FIND A REPLACEMENT.
medic0506
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2/19/2012 8:51:49 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/19/2012 8:44:57 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
I don't mean to intrude but I couldn't help noticing that TUF was actively punishing the mafia. I mean, wasting time is a legitimate mafia tactic. Why do you think mafia lurk? Why do you think they discourage activity? It is a tactic which gives them a better chance of winning.

It wasn't an issue of wasting time. The problem was that due to inactives, we couldn't get enough votes to lynch a person who admitted to being mafia.
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2/19/2012 8:58:30 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/19/2012 8:52:01 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
Kyro90 - 4/5 - Royalpaladin, Medic0506, Jordan56, Thaddeus

2. OberHerr
3. Andromeda_Z
5. Blackhawk1331
6. lovelife

The individuals above did not participate in the lynch.

Unvote

Lovelife was inactive, so that is acceptable I guess. Plus, the mod confirmed that she visited nobody because of inactivity.

OberHerr, Andromeda, and BlackHawk remain. BlackHawk is confirmed by the Knukle kill.

VTL Andromeda

Ober and one other person are left.
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2/19/2012 9:05:10 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/19/2012 8:58:30 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 2/19/2012 8:52:01 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
Kyro90 - 4/5 - Royalpaladin, Medic0506, Jordan56, Thaddeus

2. OberHerr
3. Andromeda_Z
5. Blackhawk1331
6. lovelife

The individuals above did not participate in the lynch.

Unvote

Lovelife was inactive, so that is acceptable I guess. Plus, the mod confirmed that she visited nobody because of inactivity.

OberHerr, Andromeda, and BlackHawk remain. BlackHawk is confirmed by the Knukle kill.

VTL Andromeda

Ober and one other person are left.

One of either Andro or Jordan are likely mafia and I agree that it's prolly Andro.

VTL Andro
royalpaladin
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2/19/2012 9:07:25 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
If we had only gone by behavior, I would still have suspected Andro. She has been completely inactive but has not been replaced. Plus, inactivity is her scumtell.

I am almost positive that Andro is scum.
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2/19/2012 9:20:06 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/19/2012 9:07:25 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
If we had only gone by behavior, I would still have suspected Andro. She has been completely inactive but has not been replaced. Plus, inactivity is her scumtell.

I am almost positive that Andro is scum.

On the activity problem, she hasn't been on for like 2 days now. That being said, this game is dragging. Unfortunately, inactivity has ruined what had the potential to be a great game. If the town decides they want to lynch andro, I'll hammer without complaint even though I don't think she's mafia.
Because you said it was a waste, numb nuts. - Drafter

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2/19/2012 9:44:33 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
So VTL Kyro? Sorry, but do we get more than one Lynch per DP?
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2/19/2012 9:47:23 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/19/2012 9:44:33 PM, OberHerr wrote:
So VTL Kyro? Sorry, but do we get more than one Lynch per DP?

Kyro is dead. The only way that you could possibly know about the multiple lynches is if you were mafia because only the mafia and I knew about it. I knew about it because TUF and I worked out that idea as a tentative compromise, and the mafia knew about it because TUF told them. The only way that you could possibly know, therefore, is you are mafia.

My analysis indicates that you are mafia anyways.
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2/19/2012 9:52:13 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
@ f-16 and drafter,
I understand both of your points. This situation was different because kyro90 admitted to being mafia, essentially committing suicide. He could hav tried to argue his way out of his conviction, which is what I would have done. I realize that stalling is a mafia tactic, but I also realize that my game was filled with some very inactive people. In this game the town is essentially at a dis-advantage the second day phase 2 comes around. Having kyro stay alive simply because of inactivity is a brutal punishment toward the town. Kyro would have been lynched this day phase anyway, and we would have just wasted a lot of time. This game has already been going on a lot longer than I have planned because of inactivty (a problem which I hope I fixed).
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2/19/2012 9:54:11 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/19/2012 9:47:23 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 2/19/2012 9:44:33 PM, OberHerr wrote:
So VTL Kyro? Sorry, but do we get more than one Lynch per DP?

Kyro is dead. The only way that you could possibly know about the multiple lynches is if you were mafia because only the mafia and I knew about it. I knew about it because TUF and I worked out that idea as a tentative compromise, and the mafia knew about it because TUF told them. The only way that you could possibly know, therefore, is you are mafia.

My analysis indicates that you are mafia anyways.

What?

What it seems to come down to me, for the reason I ASKED if we had multiple lynchs, is that it would eventually be impossible for the town to win if we lost our vig or whatever, since the Thing could just keep growing infinitely.

And I JUST got here, I don't know how this game works, besides the whole Thing concept.
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2/19/2012 10:31:36 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
12 here.

I'll post my rant tomorrow.
"Easy is the descent to Avernus, for the door to the Underworld lies upon both day and night. But to retrace your steps and return to the breezes above- that's the task, that's the toil."
royalpaladin
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2/19/2012 10:58:21 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/19/2012 10:31:36 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
12 here.

I'll post my rant tomorrow.

Post your rant in the endgame thread. You cannot post in threads after you die.
medic0506
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2/19/2012 11:31:53 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/19/2012 10:58:21 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 2/19/2012 10:31:36 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
12 here.

I'll post my rant tomorrow.

Post your rant in the endgame thread. You cannot post in threads after you die.

I think the person they targeted last night was protected, explaining why there was no conversion.

Jordan, who did you protect??

Ober who did you replace??
royalpaladin
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2/19/2012 11:35:27 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/19/2012 11:31:53 PM, medic0506 wrote:
At 2/19/2012 10:58:21 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 2/19/2012 10:31:36 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
12 here.

I'll post my rant tomorrow.

Post your rant in the endgame thread. You cannot post in threads after you die.

I think the person they targeted last night was protected, explaining why there was no conversion.

No, there was definitely a conversion. We had six townies yesterday. Today there are five.
Jordan, who did you protect??

Ober who did you replace??
blackhawk1331
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2/19/2012 11:37:05 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/19/2012 11:31:53 PM, medic0506 wrote:
At 2/19/2012 10:58:21 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 2/19/2012 10:31:36 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
12 here.

I'll post my rant tomorrow.

Post your rant in the endgame thread. You cannot post in threads after you die.

I think the person they targeted last night was protected, explaining why there was no conversion.

Jordan, who did you protect??

Ober who did you replace??

I thought you cc'd andro on the doc claim... *scratches head in confusion*
Because you said it was a waste, numb nuts. - Drafter

So fvck you. :) - TV

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2/19/2012 11:39:56 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/19/2012 11:31:53 PM, medic0506 wrote:
At 2/19/2012 10:58:21 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 2/19/2012 10:31:36 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
12 here.

I'll post my rant tomorrow.

Post your rant in the endgame thread. You cannot post in threads after you die.

I think the person they targeted last night was protected, explaining why there was no conversion.

Jordan, who did you protect??

Ober who did you replace??

I replaced HCP I think.
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medic0506
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2/19/2012 11:42:28 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/19/2012 11:37:05 PM, blackhawk1331 wrote:
At 2/19/2012 11:31:53 PM, medic0506 wrote:
At 2/19/2012 10:58:21 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 2/19/2012 10:31:36 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
12 here.

I'll post my rant tomorrow.

Post your rant in the endgame thread. You cannot post in threads after you die.

I think the person they targeted last night was protected, explaining why there was no conversion.

Jordan, who did you protect??

Ober who did you replace??

I thought you cc'd andro on the doc claim... *scratches head in confusion*

I did, but Jordan claimed bodyguard if that's what's confusing you.
royalpaladin
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2/19/2012 11:42:32 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/19/2012 11:39:56 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 2/19/2012 11:31:53 PM, medic0506 wrote:
At 2/19/2012 10:58:21 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 2/19/2012 10:31:36 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
12 here.

I'll post my rant tomorrow.

Post your rant in the endgame thread. You cannot post in threads after you die.

I think the person they targeted last night was protected, explaining why there was no conversion.

Jordan, who did you protect??

Ober who did you replace??

I replaced HCP I think.

You were converted last night.
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2/19/2012 11:44:47 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/19/2012 11:42:32 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 2/19/2012 11:39:56 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 2/19/2012 11:31:53 PM, medic0506 wrote:
At 2/19/2012 10:58:21 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 2/19/2012 10:31:36 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
12 here.

I'll post my rant tomorrow.

Post your rant in the endgame thread. You cannot post in threads after you die.

I think the person they targeted last night was protected, explaining why there was no conversion.

Jordan, who did you protect??

Ober who did you replace??

I replaced HCP I think.

You were converted last night.

If I read the OP right there was no conversion.
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2/19/2012 11:45:23 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/19/2012 11:42:32 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 2/19/2012 11:39:56 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 2/19/2012 11:31:53 PM, medic0506 wrote:
At 2/19/2012 10:58:21 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 2/19/2012 10:31:36 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
12 here.

I'll post my rant tomorrow.

Post your rant in the endgame thread. You cannot post in threads after you die.

I think the person they targeted last night was protected, explaining why there was no conversion.

Jordan, who did you protect??

Ober who did you replace??

I replaced HCP I think.

You were converted last night.

And you know this how......?
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royalpaladin
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2/19/2012 11:47:21 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/19/2012 11:45:23 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 2/19/2012 11:42:32 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 2/19/2012 11:39:56 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 2/19/2012 11:31:53 PM, medic0506 wrote:
At 2/19/2012 10:58:21 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 2/19/2012 10:31:36 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
12 here.

I'll post my rant tomorrow.

Post your rant in the endgame thread. You cannot post in threads after you die.

I think the person they targeted last night was protected, explaining why there was no conversion.

Jordan, who did you protect??

Ober who did you replace??

I replaced HCP I think.

You were converted last night.

And you know this how......?

You mentioned two lynches, which would have been impossible for you to know about unless you were me or you were mafia.

Also, you were the perfect conversion target as a confirmed townie vanilla.

Finally, my analysis implicates you and Andro.
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2/19/2012 11:49:16 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/19/2012 11:47:21 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 2/19/2012 11:45:23 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 2/19/2012 11:42:32 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 2/19/2012 11:39:56 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 2/19/2012 11:31:53 PM, medic0506 wrote:
At 2/19/2012 10:58:21 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 2/19/2012 10:31:36 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
12 here.

I'll post my rant tomorrow.

Post your rant in the endgame thread. You cannot post in threads after you die.

I think the person they targeted last night was protected, explaining why there was no conversion.

Jordan, who did you protect??

Ober who did you replace??

I replaced HCP I think.

You were converted last night.

And you know this how......?

You mentioned two lynches, which would have been impossible for you to know about unless you were me or you were mafia.

Also, you were the perfect conversion target as a confirmed townie vanilla.

Finally, my analysis implicates you and Andro.

Look up for my reasoning in the multiple lynches, doesn't take a genius to figure out that the town needs them. Also, when I mentioned them, I was wondering about the rules, and what we can do.
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2/19/2012 11:50:45 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/19/2012 11:42:28 PM, medic0506 wrote:
At 2/19/2012 11:37:05 PM, blackhawk1331 wrote:
At 2/19/2012 11:31:53 PM, medic0506 wrote:
At 2/19/2012 10:58:21 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 2/19/2012 10:31:36 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
12 here.

I'll post my rant tomorrow.

Post your rant in the endgame thread. You cannot post in threads after you die.

I think the person they targeted last night was protected, explaining why there was no conversion.

Jordan, who did you protect??

Ober who did you replace??

I thought you cc'd andro on the doc claim... *scratches head in confusion*

I did, but Jordan claimed bodyguard if that's what's confusing you.

Oh. I missed that.
Because you said it was a waste, numb nuts. - Drafter

So fvck you. :) - TV

Use prima facie correctly or not at all. - Noumena
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2/19/2012 11:50:54 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/19/2012 11:47:21 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 2/19/2012 11:45:23 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 2/19/2012 11:42:32 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 2/19/2012 11:39:56 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 2/19/2012 11:31:53 PM, medic0506 wrote:
At 2/19/2012 10:58:21 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 2/19/2012 10:31:36 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
12 here.

I'll post my rant tomorrow.

Post your rant in the endgame thread. You cannot post in threads after you die.

I think the person they targeted last night was protected, explaining why there was no conversion.

Jordan, who did you protect??

Ober who did you replace??

I replaced HCP I think.

You were converted last night.

And you know this how......?

You mentioned two lynches, which would have been impossible for you to know about unless you were me or you were mafia.

I knew it as well.

Also, you were the perfect conversion target as a confirmed townie vanilla.

Finally, my analysis implicates you and Andro.