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tvellalott
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2/22/2012 10:09:15 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I feel like drafterman's BATMAN game was the freshest and most fun mafia game we've had for quite sometime and it really inspired me. While I have what I think will be an extremely fun mafia game (Heroes versus Villains: Comic Book Edition) ready and waiting, that isn't the fruit of my inspiration.

I've been developing something else... an EXTREMELY modified version of mafia and I mean EXTREMELY, to the point where it isn't mafia anymore. I've stripped away teams and made everyone third-party. Performance is reflected by a point system I've been developing. There is still a day phase where a majority vote kills someone, but the game will begin in night phase and allow a round of role actions before discussion begins. I'm at a loss to think of what to call it, so as a prototype I'm calling it "Third-Party Battles" but the best suggestion will become the official title.

I obviously need to run a bunch of games to tune the point system so everyone has a fighting chance. I'm gauging interest here, so lets get a sign-up list going. If you have ideas, PLEASE share them. I want this game to be developed by this community and your suggestions and feedback are critical.

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(as many players as are interested will be allowed in, so just keep adding numbers)

I have spoken out in the past about my aversion to "concept games" but I want to stress that this isn't mafia, but rather a spin-off game that I want to try out. I honestly don't feel like I'm skipping the line here, but I'm running this as a PM game anyway. If you still feel like I'm being a hypocrite, feel free to email idontgiveafvck [AT] gmail.com and make a formal complaint.
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OberHerr
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2/22/2012 10:10:40 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
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2/22/2012 10:13:13 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Whether people think its a concept game or not won't matter anyway. We will still play.
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2/22/2012 10:13:48 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
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2/22/2012 10:17:01 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Now where are the people that got mad at MY Concept game?!?!!?
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2/22/2012 10:20:06 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/22/2012 10:17:01 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Now where are the people that got mad at MY Concept game?!?!!?

I can see a huge difference between your "I have one concept role" concept game and my "everyone is third-party and will be scored via an experimental point system" concept game.
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OberHerr
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2/22/2012 10:24:52 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/22/2012 10:20:06 PM, tvellalott wrote:
At 2/22/2012 10:17:01 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Now where are the people that got mad at MY Concept game?!?!!?

I can see a huge difference between your "I have one concept role" concept game and my "everyone is third-party and will be scored via an experimental point system" concept game.

It's still a concept game, and mine completely changed the game by making it only one Mafia.
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tvellalott
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2/22/2012 10:30:08 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/22/2012 10:24:52 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 2/22/2012 10:20:06 PM, tvellalott wrote:
At 2/22/2012 10:17:01 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Now where are the people that got mad at MY Concept game?!?!!?

I can see a huge difference between your "I have one concept role" concept game and my "everyone is third-party and will be scored via an experimental point system" concept game.

It's still a concept game, and mine completely changed the game by making it only one Mafia.

Of course and it was a nice idea. I love the idea of a Mafia JOAT. But my game isn't even mafia since there are no mafia or town. It's just based on mafia.
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Lordknukle
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2/22/2012 10:45:38 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
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2/22/2012 10:56:53 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/22/2012 10:30:08 PM, tvellalott wrote:
At 2/22/2012 10:24:52 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 2/22/2012 10:20:06 PM, tvellalott wrote:
At 2/22/2012 10:17:01 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Now where are the people that got mad at MY Concept game?!?!!?

I can see a huge difference between your "I have one concept role" concept game and my "everyone is third-party and will be scored via an experimental point system" concept game.

It's still a concept game, and mine completely changed the game by making it only one Mafia.

Of course and it was a nice idea. I love the idea of a Mafia JOAT. But my game isn't even mafia since there are no mafia or town. It's just based on mafia.

Either way, its ridiculous that anyone should have to shy way from creating a mafia game because they want to try out a concept. I consider this a concept game, and it actually seems fun.
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2/22/2012 11:13:07 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/22/2012 11:02:48 PM, vmpire321 wrote:
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2. OberHerr
3. HCP
4. Zaradi
5.Blackhawk1331
6. royalpaladin
7. LK
8. Viper-King
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10. rogue
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2/22/2012 11:19:03 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
tv, what is the purpose of killing in this game if everyone knows they are working alone? is there an objective to killing aside from just random popularity battles?
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2/22/2012 11:21:43 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/22/2012 11:19:03 PM, Lickdafoot wrote:
tv, what is the purpose of killing in this game if everyone knows they are working alone? is there an objective to killing aside from just random popularity battles?

Basically to see who comes out on top. Everyone can collectively vote to lynch weaker players or stronger players etc.

The part that I don't get is how the winners will come out when its down to the last 2 people.
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tvellalott
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2/22/2012 11:36:15 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/22/2012 11:19:03 PM, Lickdafoot wrote:
tv, what is the purpose of killing in this game if everyone knows they are working alone? is there an objective to killing aside from just random popularity battles?

The game ends when there are two players left or when certain win conditions are met; if there was no lynching the game could potentially go on forever if the extra killing roles are killed. Certain roles gain points when a certain person is successfully lynched as well.
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drafterman
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2/23/2012 5:27:13 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/22/2012 11:19:03 PM, Lickdafoot wrote:
tv, what is the purpose of killing in this game if everyone knows they are working alone? is there an objective to killing aside from just random popularity battles?

I like the idea. It encourages diplomacy and deception. "Hey, let's all agree to gang up on this chump today."
OberHerr
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2/23/2012 6:47:39 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
I think we should all kill RP off at the start, just to be safe. :D
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drafterman
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2/23/2012 7:01:11 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/22/2012 10:24:52 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 2/22/2012 10:20:06 PM, tvellalott wrote:
At 2/22/2012 10:17:01 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Now where are the people that got mad at MY Concept game?!?!!?

I can see a huge difference between your "I have one concept role" concept game and my "everyone is third-party and will be scored via an experimental point system" concept game.

It's still a concept game, and mine completely changed the game by making it only one Mafia.

Sorry, but by only having one Mafia member doesn't "completely change the game." There is no set number of mafia so having a single Mafia member, while contrary to expectations, is completely within a basic Mafia game.

Given that you told people it'd be a single, super-powered Mafia member, you eliminated the element of suprise. So basically it was a semi-open set-up of Mafia.

I think this is an interesting idea that TV is doing. He's eliminated both town and mafia, so it's no longer an "uninformed majority" vs. "informed minority" - a fundamental element in Mafia games.

I'd play, but I'd prefer it to be smaller and quicker, but I'll definitely be keeping an eye out on the results.
tvellalott
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2/23/2012 4:31:56 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/23/2012 9:16:50 AM, PartamRuhem wrote:
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2. OberHerr
3. HCP
4. Zaradi
5.Blackhawk1331
6. royalpaladin
7. LK
8. Viper-King
9. Vmpire321
10. rogue
11. Lickdafoot
12. pr

OK, I'll start this game.
I want to apologise in advanced; some roles are going to be a lot more difficult to play than others, but that's the nature of testing and fine-tuning.
"Caitlyn Jenner is an incredibly brave and stunningly beautiful woman."

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tvellalott
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2/23/2012 4:40:53 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/23/2012 4:33:39 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
Is this going to be in the forums or in PMs?

PMs.

At 2/23/2012 4:33:49 PM, UnStupendousMan wrote:
I'll be a replacement.

You can be in the game; I'm hoping it moves fast enough that replacements aren't needed. I have 13 roles ready, so if you're in that's perfect.
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