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3/8/2012 12:40:11 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
END GAME POST:
1st place: Town
2nd place: Mafia
3rd place: Cult
4th Place: Thid Parties (Tie between Tvellalot and xerge.)

Will post the roles and night actions in a second.

SUMMARY: The game was won by the town for a few reasons. Originally I thought I had overpowered the town. After reviewing the game a little more, though, I cannot possibly see how this is the case. The town got really lucky with, while the mafia and the cult were extremely unlucky.
The mafia had extremely powerful roles: They had a doctor. 2 if you count LDF being recruited later on. They had two NK with buu and their normal night kill. A super powerful JOAT (wasted all of his night actions powering up unfortunately) and a players that could steal roles. Had he stolen one of the vig roles, the mafia potentially could have 3 night kills, and a doctor to protect from vig kills. The mafia got extremely unlucky with LDF's sensor results, and the night actions of the town.
Cult got extremely unlucky because of Drafter's bomb. Cult had amazing roles too. Originally I thought they were OP'ed. They had a tracker/50% killer, a word manipulater (potentially two killers) and a role disguiser (which works as a mis-lyncher). Cult's bad luck started with Drafter's bomb, as they were literally all in that lynch. Then continued with F-16 being consumed by buu. The bad luck then Continued with BV admitting he was an android, and USM admitting to being Anti-Town.
So after everything when down, I cannot say the town was Overpowered all that much. In hindsight, the only thing I think I would have removed would be Drafter's sensor bomb, as LDF arleady had a sensor. Two sensor= REALLY hard time for the mafia and cult.
Did you know that there were three seperate mason groups? Pretty much everyone in the game was in a pm other than kyro, tvellalot, Bluesteel, and parthamruhem.
I made it so the players wouldn't be able to reveal their mason affiliation because that would harm the mafia and cult. I put the masons in to confuse the town, and have them turn against each other. The town was pretty good at playing pro-town though, so it didn't hurt them all that bad.
Anyways, good game to both the mafia and the town.

MVP AWARDS:
TOWN: drafterman, royal, m.torres, LDF (for staying alive in DP3)
MAFIA: LK, Thaddeus, Xerge.
CULT: BV, and F-16
WORST USE OF ROLE AWARD: BlueSteel. (Succesfully killed both of the doctors and the town LD haha)

GOOD GAME EVERYONE!
Roles will come up in a second.
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3/8/2012 12:41:14 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Mafia:
You are a small, But VERY powerful Mafia group. Don't be doubtful of your group size. The town or other parties won't stand a chance! You must choose a certain player to carry out each night action you perform. Pick which player will cary out the night action each night.

Thaddeus: You are Captain Ginyu the theif, and also the leader of the ginyu force, and a member of the mafia. You can forefeit the mafias night actions, and copy a players role for that night instead. Play safe, and work to help your team mates win the game! ( this ability will fail on special interest roles) Since you can change bodies with anyone, you appear innocent to investigations only.
Your power level is 500.
You win with the mafia.
LordKnukle: you are frieza, the most powerful villain in the unvierse. After your first defeat, you decide teaming up for the time being is best. Your goal is to eliminate players one by one until you or your mafia remain the last evil beings in the universe. You have no powers for now, but will gain power throughout the game. Since you are so threatening, you distill fear into investigaters, and show up as innocent on investigations only.

You start out in your 1st form: Your night actions are doctor, or role block.
Power level 1000.
You can advance to your 2nd form by forfeiting your actions for one night phase(Mafia must forfeit kill as well). This is called powering up.
Your 2nd form night actions are: Frame, lawyer, doctor, roleblock, lawyer.
Power Level 4000
You can advance to your third form by Powering up for 2 night phases.
Your 3rd form night actions are: Frame, lawyer, doctor, role block lawyer, Role Reveal, . You also can use 2 night actions per NP.
Power level 6000.
BlackHawk1331: You are majin buu! And as buu you are of course, ever so hungry! You can turn someone of your choice into a piece of candy (of your choice also) that will be mentioned in the next day phase's OP. If you die, any players you trapped will be Turned back into their original form. (you cannot change bulletproof's or people who have been protected).
You win with the mafia.
Your power level is 5000.

Xerge: You are Cell, Dr. gero's perfect creation, and have three different forms.
To achieve each different form, you must consume an android.
There are 3 androids in this game, android 16, 17, and 18. Each time you consume one, you grow stronger.
Your power level starts out at 500.
1st form: You have no special abilities. Pick a player who you think is the android, if they are an adroid, your power levels grows and you achieve your 2nd form. Your power level in this form is 1000.
2nd form: You become Semi-perfect Cell, you can still pick an android, to gain your final form. Your powerlevel in this form is 2000.
3rd form: You have eaten two androids, and are now strong enough to become perfect cell. The only way for you to die is if someone with a higher power level than you NK's you. Your power level in this form is 3000.
If you consume the third and final android, you win first place as third party. Your power level in this form is 1,000,000.
You win by surviving to the end game with the mafia. Or by consuming all three androids.
(Every android you pick dies obviously since you will be consuming them)
You win with youself as third party, or the mafia.
You will select your consume action in your role pm, seperate from you mafia pm. Whether you choose to reveal your true role to your mafia team, is up to you.

CULT:
You are doctor gero's greatest creations! Together, reak havoc on all players, both mafia and town.

BlackVoid: You are android 16, the Tracker. You get to see who the person you target visited in the night. You are an android, who is also careful killer as well. Upon tracking your target, you can activate your PGO (optional).When activating your PGO, the player you visit will have a 50% chance of death upon being visited.
You win with the cult.
Your power level is 1500.
F-16_fighting_falcon: You are android 17, the manipulater. When someone is lynched, you can disguise their character and role to be whatever you want it to be. If you die, all roles will be revealed as their true nature.
You win with the cult.
Your power level is 1500.
UnStupendousMan: You are android 18, the manipulater. You are the strongest of your friends, and are thus the leader of the cult. You can limit a person's speech during the day phase. I'll let you be creative with this, but you can make them say whatever you want, and if they don't, they are modkilled. For example you can make it so that the player you target, only "ribbits" like a frog. Or you can make it so they cannot use the letter "a" in any of their speech, and if they do they are auto killed. You can manipulate the players speech in whatever way you want, so long as it is consistent. You win with the cult.
Your power level is 2000.
Your goal is to have the majority team by the end of the game, or to survive. You cult has no recruiting abilities, but you have a strong team. Have fun and play safe!
Town:
Kyro90:
You are Chiaotzu, the bomb. You can explode yourself at anytime, sacrificing yourself, along with the person you choose to visit. If any party tries to NK, they will explode, along with yourself. If you get lynched during the day, the person who hammers your vote will die, and so will you.
Your power level is 100.
Try to stay alive, and good luck!
You win with the town.
ParthamRuhem:
You are king kai, the watcher. As you sit on your small little planet, you can watch the people of earth fight their battle against evil. You can choose one person per night to watch.
Your power level is 5.
You win with the town.
tvellalott: You are vegeta. Your heart is full of pride and anger, but secretly you have a good side.
Your power level starts at 1000.
All you care about is becoming the most powerful saiyan in the world. Each NP you can battle one player of your choosing. If your power level is higher than that players than you gain the difference. If you challenge someones powerlevel, and lose, your power level is decreased by the difference.
Once your power level gets higher that 2000, you become bulletproof to NK's (unless that player has a higher PowerLevel than you.)
Once your power level get's higher than 3000, You earn an every night JOAT ability. Including (vig, doc, cop, watch, track, sensor, role reveal) Each that can be used only once.
You win if you have the highest powerlevel by the end of the game (regaurdless of whether you die or not).
You can also win with the town, if they survive to the end.
You win with yourself, and the town.

BlueSteel: You are goku, The most powerful super saiyan in the universe. Your ultimate goal is to destroy the forces of evil. There are plenty of villains in this game that want you dead, thus, Role Claiming in this game is Highly un-recommended.
Your goal is to destroy the three major foes who threaten the earth, and the entire Universe. These foes are Buu, Cell, and Freiza. You get to pick one player every night. If your target is one of your three foes, that target will die.
You have Three major forms you can aqquire as the game progresses.
1st form: Normal vigilante. If you manage to kill one of your three major foes you advance to your next form. Your power level is 1000 in this form.
2nd form: You are now a super sayain. You become bullet proof to NK's (Unless they have a higher power level than you.) If you kill another one of your major foes, you advance to form 3. Your power level is 2500 in this form. You also become a JOAT. Your actions are (kill, protect, investigate, role cop)
3rd form: You are now an ascended saiyan. You can now protect one person from being killed along with gaining a night kill on any player. Your power level in this form is 4000.
If you destroy your third and final major foe, the town auto wins. Note you personally must kill all these players to achieve this. Y
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3/8/2012 12:41:50 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
as the protector of earth, you have alot of enemies. Character claiming early on is a bad idea.

LDF: You are gohan, the talented and powerful son of goku. You are the JOAT. You can cycle through each of these night actions to your leisure: "doc, cop, watch, track, sensor, role reveal"
Once one is used, it cannot be used again.
Your powerlevel grows stronger as you get angry. Each time a z fighter(townie) is killed, your power level is boosted.
Once your power level hits 3000 you receive an every night doc ability in addition to your JOAT.
Your power level Starts at 500.
Masons:
Mason Thread A:
Medic0506: You are trunks, a 3 shot vigilante. With your sword, you have the power to break through all protections/bulletproofs/etc. Your main Enemies are Android 17, and 18. If you use your vig power on one of them, your power level will increase significantly, and you will gain a secret power. You are the older trunks, returned from the future to stop cell and the androids.
Your power level is 2000.
Mestari: You are piccolo. You can choose a person to kill every 3rd night. Be careful, as your deathbeam is so powerful, Not only will your victim die, but every player that visits your foe, will die as well.
Also, when you die, so do the dragonballs. You are a huge asset to the town.
(mod help: I highly reccomend not character claiming until a certain player dies)
Your power level is 1000.
Viper-king: You are krillin, the investigater. As you fly to help your friends in battle, you normally just end up getting scared and watching. Investigate a player each night of your choosing to see if they are guilty or innocent.
Your power level is 300.
Jordan56: You are korin, the wise cat who gives sensu beans to the Z fighters. You are (in that sense) a doctor. If a players is destroyed in battle, your sensu beans will patch them right up, and restore their powerlevel to normal.
Your power level is 5.
You are a small but strong group of masons that have every ability to win this game for the town. You have no recruit ability.
*MOD NOTE: none of you are allowed to publicy announce that you are in a mason thread. Any mention of being in a pm with another member, will result in an auto-mod kill. Trust me you won't want to do this anyway, because if certain parties were to know of your mason affiliation, the town would probably lose.
Mason Thread B:
SocialPinko: You are Yamcha. While not being the best fighter, you do have a keen eye. Thus you are the Lie detector. You can test any players statements given in the day phase, during the night to see whether they were lying or not.
Your power level is 200.
Professor_Chelmey: You are Tien, the townie politician. You can create duplicates of yourself as an illusion therefore, you have three politician vote uses. You can steal another players vote and place it on someone else 3 times throughout the game.
Your power level is 500.
Drafterman: You are Bulma, the inventor. You can create all of the following Items to use during the night. You must cycle through each one of these before using one again.
Scouter -Detects a players Power level.
Bomb- Set a bomb on a player. If that player gets voted to lynch by at least 4 anti-town members, that player will explode and the day phase will end regaurdless of the lynch count. (this is both harmful to the town and the anti-town)
Disrupter- place this device near a player of your choosing, and their night action will be disabled.
Spaceship- Give this space ship to a player, and they will be transported into space for the next day. This both protects them and silences them.
Your power level is 5.
Vmpire321: You are Dende
You are Dende, the doctor. You have the inert ability to heal yourself, or any other players during battle. You can in effect save one person from being killed. You have a great power.
(mod help: I highly reccoment not character claiming until a certain players dies)

You are a small but powerful group that has every capability of winning the game with the help of your fellow townies outside the PM. You don't have the ability to recruit anyone.

MOD NOTE: none of you are allowed to publicy announce that you are in a mason thread. Any mention of being in a pm with another member, will result in an auto-mod kill. Trust me you won't want to do this anyway, because if certain parties were to know of your mason affiliation, the town would probably lose.

Mason thread C:
Royalpaladin: You are kid trunks, son of bulma and vegeta. You can consume a players a powerlevel down to 0 for 1 day phase, rendering their role useless. You are thus, the even night roleblocker.
Your powerlevel is 500.
You win with the town.
M.torres: You are Goten, son of goku, brother of gohan. You are a mischevious little boy, that can distract any player of your choosing. Your crazy antics will distract a player, and render them useless every odd night.
Your power level is 500.
You win with the town.
Together the two of you are the Masons.
The two of you have a fusion technique, that when used properly will transform you into the ultimate fighter, Gotenks. This transformation has a 25% chance of working if used, and forfeits both of your night actions. Upon a succesful use of the the Fusion Technique, you get three abilities.
1. Revive any dead player of your choosing.
2. Kill any player of your choosing.
3. You both are bulletproof for this night.
Your power level in this form, is 5000.
If one of you dies, obviously you cannot fuse anymore.

MOD NOTE: neither of you are allowed to publicy announce that you are in a mason thread. Any mention of being in a pm with another member, will result in an auto-mod kill. Trust me you won't want to do this anyway, because if certain parties were to know of your mason affiliation, the town would probably lose.
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3/8/2012 12:43:05 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
DBZ NP1 ACTIONS
1. LordKnukle Powers up*
2. BlackVoid Tracks m.torres/PGO*
3. Royalpaladin Fuses into Gotenks*
4. F-16_Fighting_Falcon N/A*
5. UnStupendousMan YOU ARE FORBIDDEN TO WRITE POSTS THAT CONTAIN THE LETTERS A, E, I, O, U, Y, AND W; USE ANY NUMBERS, OR USE ANY SPACES, HYPHENS, OR UNDERSCORES *
6. Thaddeus Copies LDF*
7. Drafterman Place a bomb on VK*
8. BlueSteel
9. BlackHawk1331 Kidnaps TV*
10. Lickdafoot role reveal bluesteal*
11. Medic0506 forfeits night action*
12. M.Torres Fuses into Gotenks*
13. Mestari waives night action*
14. Viper-king investigates royal
15. Jordan56 Protects mestari*
16. Kyro90 forfeits night action*
17. tvellalott Challenges Bluesteel **
18.PR watches LDF**
19. Xerge Chooses royal*
20. Vmpire321 Doc himself*
21. Professor_Chelmey forfeit action*
22. socialpinko Ld kyro's IWWTT statement*
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3/8/2012 12:43:31 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
NP 2 Actions

1. LordKnukle Powers up *
2. BlackVoid Track/pgo Mestari. *
3. Royalpaladin Fuses with m.torres *
4. F-16_Fighting_Falcon Role disguises Viper-King as gohan *
5. UnStupendousMan makes royal use 734 characters, no E or V.*
6. Thaddeus copies royal
7. Drafterman Places a disrupter on USM
8. BlueSteel kills social-pinko
9. BlackHawk1331 eats F-16
10. Lickdafoot Protects Bluesteel.
11. Medic0506 Kills LK
12. M.Torres Fuses with royal paladin
13. Mestari kills bluesteel and everyone who visits him.
14. Kyro90 Does nothing.
15.PR watches LDF
16. Xerge consumes m.torres
17. Vmpire321 Doc Drafterman
18. Professor_Chelmey
19. socialpinko LD's LDF character claim.
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3/8/2012 12:44:02 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
NP3 Night actions

1. BlackVoid gets doubled killed lol
2. Royalpaladin Fusion
4. Thaddeus skips night action
5. Drafterman Checks LDF's Powerlevel
6. BlueSteel kill vmpire321
7. BlackHawk1331 Consumes PR
8. Lickdafoot sensors USM lynch
9. Medic0506
10. M.Torres fusion
11. Mestari kill BV
12. Kyro90 passive
13.PR gets eaten
14. Xerge consumes BV
15. Vmpire321 Doc drafterman
16. Professor_Chelmey
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3/8/2012 12:44:34 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
NP4 actions
1. Royalpaladin Fusion with torres
2. Thaddeus kill and roleblock royal
3. Drafterman put royal in spaceship
4. BlackHawk1331 Consumes chelmey
5. Lickdafoot protects drafter and cops kyro
7. M.Torres Fusion with Royalpaladin
8. Mestari no action
9. Kyro90 passive
10. Xerge
11. Professor_Chelmey
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3/8/2012 12:44:56 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
NP5 actions
1. Royalpaladin Kills BH and revives Bluesteel
2. Thaddeus kills kyro
3. Drafterman gets blocked by drafter
4. BlackHawk1331 eats mestari
5. Lickdafoot protects thaddeus
6. M.Torres kills BH and revives bluesteel
7. Mestari no night action
8. Kyro90 Gets killed
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3/8/2012 12:46:31 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/8/2012 12:45:43 PM, TUF wrote:
Oh and LDF was recruited into the mafia NP4.

Called it.
Rules of Mafia

1. Mestari is never third party.
2. If Mestari claims an intricate and page long TP role, he's telling the truth.
3. Mestari always jointly wins with the town.
3b. If he doesn't he's mafia.
3c. If he was mafia you wouldn't suspect him in the first place.
4. If you lynch Mestari you will lose because he will be the third party Doctor or some other townie power role.
5. DP1 lynches are good.
6. The answer is always no.
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3/8/2012 12:46:57 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/8/2012 12:40:11 PM, TUF wrote:
END GAME POST:
1st place: Town
2nd place: Mafia
3rd place: Cult
4th Place: Thid Parties (Tie between Tvellalot and xerge.)

Will post the roles and night actions in a second.

SUMMARY: The game was won by the town for a few reasons. Originally I thought I had overpowered the town. After reviewing the game a little more, though, I cannot possibly see how this is the case. The town got really lucky with, while the mafia and the cult were extremely unlucky.
The mafia had extremely powerful roles: They had a doctor. 2 if you count LDF being recruited later on. They had two NK with buu and their normal night kill. A super powerful JOAT (wasted all of his night actions powering up unfortunately) and a players that could steal roles. Had he stolen one of the vig roles, the mafia potentially could have 3 night kills, and a doctor to protect from vig kills. The mafia got extremely unlucky with LDF's sensor results, and the night actions of the town.
Cult got extremely unlucky because of Drafter's bomb. Cult had amazing roles too. Originally I thought they were OP'ed. They had a tracker/50% killer, a word manipulater (potentially two killers) and a role disguiser (which works as a mis-lyncher). Cult's bad luck started with Drafter's bomb, as they were literally all in that lynch. Then continued with F-16 being consumed by buu. The bad luck then Continued with BV admitting he was an android, and USM admitting to being Anti-Town.
So after everything when down, I cannot say the town was Overpowered all that much. In hindsight, the only thing I think I would have removed would be Drafter's sensor bomb, as LDF arleady had a sensor. Two sensor= REALLY hard time for the mafia and cult.
Did you know that there were three seperate mason groups? Pretty much everyone in the game was in a pm other than kyro, tvellalot, Bluesteel, and parthamruhem.
I made it so the players wouldn't be able to reveal their mason affiliation because that would harm the mafia and cult. I put the masons in to confuse the town, and have them turn against each other. The town was pretty good at playing pro-town though, so it didn't hurt them all that bad.
Anyways, good game to both the mafia and the town.

MVP AWARDS:
TOWN: drafterman, royal, m.torres, LDF (for staying alive in DP3)
MAFIA: LK, Thaddeus, Xerge.
CULT: BV, and F-16
WORST USE OF ROLE AWARD: BlueSteel. (Succesfully killed both of the doctors and the town LD haha)

GOOD GAME EVERYONE!
Roles will come up in a second.

This was an interesting game.

1. Post restriction mechanisms other than pure silence are a bit of a nuisance. Either they're going to find away to still communicate effectively, negating its power, or they won't, which is just the same as silence.

2. Personally, I think you rushed the game just a bit. It's one thing to urge people to submit night actions promptly and move the Day Phase along and anyone that has modded knows the frustration of seeing a Day Phase just sit there with nothing happening. It really put some people at a disadvantage. However, most of those people were town (Logic, Medic, kyro) so no harm done. Dealing with this, I think, just comes from getting more modding experience.
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3/8/2012 12:48:35 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/8/2012 12:45:43 PM, TUF wrote:
Oh and LDF was recruited into the mafia NP4.

how?
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3/8/2012 12:50:01 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/8/2012 12:48:35 PM, bluesteel wrote:
At 3/8/2012 12:45:43 PM, TUF wrote:
Oh and LDF was recruited into the mafia NP4.

how?

The trivia reward was a power not information. They got a recruit.
Rules of Mafia

1. Mestari is never third party.
2. If Mestari claims an intricate and page long TP role, he's telling the truth.
3. Mestari always jointly wins with the town.
3b. If he doesn't he's mafia.
3c. If he was mafia you wouldn't suspect him in the first place.
4. If you lynch Mestari you will lose because he will be the third party Doctor or some other townie power role.
5. DP1 lynches are good.
6. The answer is always no.
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3/8/2012 12:53:31 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/8/2012 12:46:57 PM, drafterman wrote:
1. Post restriction mechanisms other than pure silence are a bit of a nuisance. Either they're going to find away to still communicate effectively, negating its power, or they won't, which is just the same as silence.

Yeah, I got the Idea from LK's game. I actually noticed afterwards quite a few mistakes, but ended up letting it slide, as the cult didn't seem to care all too much.

2. Personally, I think you rushed the game just a bit. It's one thing to urge people to submit night actions promptly and move the Day Phase along and anyone that has modded knows the frustration of seeing a Day Phase just sit there with nothing happening. It really put some people at a disadvantage. However, most of those people were town (Logic, Medic, kyro) so no harm done. Dealing with this, I think, just comes from getting more modding experience.

Yeah I did rush things along a little heavily. I saw the inactivity it TV's game, and HCP's drafter games, and didn't want that to happen in mine. I was constantly asking for people to push through their night actions to prevent this. The unfortunate thing about that, is players probably felt pressured to get their night actions in without being able to correlate together to choose the right actions, so for that I appologize.
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3/8/2012 12:54:44 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/8/2012 12:52:41 PM, drafterman wrote:
Wait, kyro was dead last phase? He wasn't on the casualty, and how am I roleblocking myself?

Kyro didn't die because you roleblocked thaddeus. So the kill didn't go through.

But even if the kill did go through, they both would have died, because kyro was the bomb.
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3/8/2012 12:54:59 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/8/2012 12:53:31 PM, TUF wrote:
At 3/8/2012 12:46:57 PM, drafterman wrote:
1. Post restriction mechanisms other than pure silence are a bit of a nuisance. Either they're going to find away to still communicate effectively, negating its power, or they won't, which is just the same as silence.

Yeah, I got the Idea from LK's game. I actually noticed afterwards quite a few mistakes, but ended up letting it slide, as the cult didn't seem to care all too much.

2. Personally, I think you rushed the game just a bit. It's one thing to urge people to submit night actions promptly and move the Day Phase along and anyone that has modded knows the frustration of seeing a Day Phase just sit there with nothing happening. It really put some people at a disadvantage. However, most of those people were town (Logic, Medic, kyro) so no harm done. Dealing with this, I think, just comes from getting more modding experience.

Yeah I did rush things along a little heavily. I saw the inactivity it TV's game, and HCP's drafter games, and didn't want that to happen in mine. I was constantly asking for people to push through their night actions to prevent this. The unfortunate thing about that, is players probably felt pressured to get their night actions in without being able to correlate together to choose the right actions, so for that I appologize.

Your first bout at modding? Right? Given a game of this size and complexity I think you did fairly well.
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3/8/2012 12:55:52 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
BTW, I did not want to kill BS NP2. I knew he was town. What had happened was VK submitted my night action for me while I was gone for a few hours (although I never ceded it to him). By the time I came back and was ready to kill F-16 (who ended up getting eaten by Buu anyway) the results of my shot being blocked were already sent to LDF. Because of this, TUF allowed me to use my power again, so I shot BV in hopes of Cell also visiting him. I was right about Cell targeting BV but soon found out that special interest roles do not count as visits, thus Cell was not killed by my vigshot. I came up with the redirector story so I would not be killed off by being painted as a mafioso, as BS was pretty clearly town imo.
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1. Mestari is never third party.
2. If Mestari claims an intricate and page long TP role, he's telling the truth.
3. Mestari always jointly wins with the town.
3b. If he doesn't he's mafia.
3c. If he was mafia you wouldn't suspect him in the first place.
4. If you lynch Mestari you will lose because he will be the third party Doctor or some other townie power role.
5. DP1 lynches are good.
6. The answer is always no.
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3/8/2012 12:56:37 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/8/2012 12:54:59 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 3/8/2012 12:53:31 PM, TUF wrote:
At 3/8/2012 12:46:57 PM, drafterman wrote:
1. Post restriction mechanisms other than pure silence are a bit of a nuisance. Either they're going to find away to still communicate effectively, negating its power, or they won't, which is just the same as silence.

Yeah, I got the Idea from LK's game. I actually noticed afterwards quite a few mistakes, but ended up letting it slide, as the cult didn't seem to care all too much.

2. Personally, I think you rushed the game just a bit. It's one thing to urge people to submit night actions promptly and move the Day Phase along and anyone that has modded knows the frustration of seeing a Day Phase just sit there with nothing happening. It really put some people at a disadvantage. However, most of those people were town (Logic, Medic, kyro) so no harm done. Dealing with this, I think, just comes from getting more modding experience.

Yeah I did rush things along a little heavily. I saw the inactivity it TV's game, and HCP's drafter games, and didn't want that to happen in mine. I was constantly asking for people to push through their night actions to prevent this. The unfortunate thing about that, is players probably felt pressured to get their night actions in without being able to correlate together to choose the right actions, so for that I appologize.

Your first bout at modding? Right? Given a game of this size and complexity I think you did fairly well.

Thankyou drafter. Yeah other than the PM game, and the concept game, this is my first real modding experience.
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3/8/2012 12:58:17 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Balanced? (analysis just for fun)

Kind of. You totally tricked me. I thought everyone who got to "pick" roles would be town, so tried to kill people who didn't, but was clearly wrong, so good job on balancing the picking roles aspect.

Buu was strong with two kills, but reviving all his kills if he died means that a large portion of that power is negated. However, mafia got a ton of fake claims with janitoring so that was good.

Lol, the fact I could kill both doctors and the LD and have that not affect the win is a problem, but I'm cool with that... I dunno, the game would be really different in drafter hadn't played his role so well. But given he did, plus LDF's sensor ability, that also made having to read behavior non-existent. This was all based on roles and winning trivia info.

I probably wouldn't be happy if I were blackhawk. Person with least posts = scum as a clue basically says "blackhawk is scum." I like trivia questions, but not the idea that either side can gain an advantage with them. It's also not fair in a 23 person game with 3 mafia because town has a better shot at being online when they're posted and answering. j/s

Don't care though - like winning, love DBZ, good game design TUF. I like all the people who were told to fake claim. That could have potentially caused confusion - surprised it didn't cause more confusion than the VK/LDF thing.

What was the logic on that? I know video games consider Saiyaman a different character.
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3/8/2012 12:59:53 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/8/2012 12:58:17 PM, bluesteel wrote:
Balanced? (analysis just for fun)

Kind of. You totally tricked me. I thought everyone who got to "pick" roles would be town, so tried to kill people who didn't, but was clearly wrong, so good job on balancing the picking roles aspect.

Buu was strong with two kills, but reviving all his kills if he died means that a large portion of that power is negated. However, mafia got a ton of fake claims with janitoring so that was good.

Lol, the fact I could kill both doctors and the LD and have that not affect the win is a problem, but I'm cool with that... I dunno, the game would be really different in drafter hadn't played his role so well. But given he did, plus LDF's sensor ability, that also made having to read behavior non-existent. This was all based on roles and winning trivia info.

I probably wouldn't be happy if I were blackhawk. Person with least posts = scum as a clue basically says "blackhawk is scum." I like trivia questions, but not the idea that either side can gain an advantage with them. It's also not fair in a 23 person game with 3 mafia because town has a better shot at being online when they're posted and answering. j/s

Don't care though - like winning, love DBZ, good game design TUF. I like all the people who were told to fake claim. That could have potentially caused confusion - surprised it didn't cause more confusion than the VK/LDF thing.

What was the logic on that? I know video games consider Saiyaman a different character.

VK was actually Krillin.
Rules of Mafia

1. Mestari is never third party.
2. If Mestari claims an intricate and page long TP role, he's telling the truth.
3. Mestari always jointly wins with the town.
3b. If he doesn't he's mafia.
3c. If he was mafia you wouldn't suspect him in the first place.
4. If you lynch Mestari you will lose because he will be the third party Doctor or some other townie power role.
5. DP1 lynches are good.
6. The answer is always no.
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3/8/2012 1:01:07 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/8/2012 12:57:06 PM, drafterman wrote:
TUF: Did you intend for my bomb to be used as a semi-sensor, or just something to hinder town?

Your bomb was supposed to be a sensor. But it was an extremely powerful weapon. While it does kill 1 townie, it was still SUPER powerful.
1. Every mafia or cult member is going to instantly jump on a lynch if someone gets a guilty result on another member. When Drafter pointed this out to his mason buddies, I realized how this was going to fvck the cult and the mafia up.
2. Also the last AT member to put their lynch down was automatically screwed because of this. (sorry USM).

SO yes it was a semi sensor. Unfortunately for the cult, every single one of them was on that lynch, which is how they lost.
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3/8/2012 1:02:17 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Someone explain the VK thing; too tired to figure it out...
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3/8/2012 1:02:49 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
2. Also the last AT member to put their lynch down was automatically screwed because of this. (sorry USM).

*Eyes Drafter and TUF* I shall have revenge... eventually...
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3/8/2012 1:02:56 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/8/2012 1:02:17 PM, bluesteel wrote:
Someone explain the VK thing; too tired to figure it out...

I still don't know why he appeared as Gohan, TUF will have to explain that, but he was actually Krillin, the cop.
Rules of Mafia

1. Mestari is never third party.
2. If Mestari claims an intricate and page long TP role, he's telling the truth.
3. Mestari always jointly wins with the town.
3b. If he doesn't he's mafia.
3c. If he was mafia you wouldn't suspect him in the first place.
4. If you lynch Mestari you will lose because he will be the third party Doctor or some other townie power role.
5. DP1 lynches are good.
6. The answer is always no.
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3/8/2012 1:03:58 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
This was a fun game. I think there were too many powers. The more powers, the more unbalanced it can get midgame.

F-16, I'm gonna get you for messing with vipers name and puting my character in there. Now you've learned your lesson not to mess with me, it doesn't work fool :P I kinda got lucky protecting blue the same night mestari tried to vig kill him. If it weren't for mestari i would not have survived.

Mafia was pretty much doomed by the time i got in there. Had it not been for gotenks we could have won though, maybe.
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3/8/2012 1:05:10 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/8/2012 1:02:56 PM, Mestari wrote:
At 3/8/2012 1:02:17 PM, bluesteel wrote:
Someone explain the VK thing; too tired to figure it out...

I still don't know why he appeared as Gohan, TUF will have to explain that, but he was actually Krillin, the cop.

Read f-16's cult role.
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3/8/2012 1:05:20 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/8/2012 1:02:56 PM, Mestari wrote:
At 3/8/2012 1:02:17 PM, bluesteel wrote:
Someone explain the VK thing; too tired to figure it out...

I still don't know why he appeared as Gohan, TUF will have to explain that, but he was actually Krillin, the cop.

F-16 role dis-guised him so that the town would mis-lynch LDF. And since he was captured by buu, he technically wasn't dead, thus is why the role stayed the same the whole game. F-16 had one of the most powerful roles. Unfortunately only got to use it once though.
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