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Beginners 8.1 - DAY PHASE ONE

Xerge
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4/1/2012 12:32:08 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Introduction to Mafia:

Mafia is a game that pits an uninformed majority (the Town) against an informed minority (the Mafia). The mafia knows who they are, and (by process of elimination) who the town is. The mafia can coordinate strategies in a private PM. Each towns-person, however, doesn't know anything about anyone else. They could be town or mafia. The towns-people can only communicate publicly in the Day Phase threads.

The object of the game is to eliminate all opposing factions. The game is divided into Day and Night phases. The Day Phases involve deliberation and discussion about who could be a member of the Mafia, with the goal of getting the Mafia lynched. At any point in the day, you may Vote To Lynch a player using the following syntax: "VTL Drafterman." Of course, you would replace my name with the name of the player you are voting. Bolding your votes is required; unbolded votes will not count. If you wish to remove your vote, simply Unvote. Lastly, you can decide not to vote anyone by Voting To Not Lynch, or VTNL. Once a majority has been reached, votes are locked and the Day Phase will be ended with that person's death.

The Night Phases involve the use of abilities. Towns-persons and Mafia may be granted roles which grant them the use of abilities. What these abilities do is explained to each person in a PM. In addition to the use of abilities, the mafia may select an individual to die. This is known as a night kill, or NK. Who dies will be revealed at the beginning of the next Day phase.

The town wins when all mafia are dead. The mafia wins when they equal the number of towns people, since they can control the vote.

Terms, acronyms, and abbreviations:

Alignment - your status as Town, Mafia, or 3rd Party (anything not Town or Mafia).
Bandwagon - A "wagon" consists of the individuals voting for a person. Bandwagoning usually refers to hopping on such a wagon blindly or without clearly articulating your reasons.
BP - Bulletproof, a person immune to night kills.
Buddying - A tactic by mafia where they agree with or support towns people in an attempt to look innocent in return.
Bussing - When the mafia allow, or help, get one of their own members lynched, in order to look innocent in return, or to avoid suspicion.
Claim - Either Character Claim or Role Claim. This is a request to reveal this part of your Role.
Counter Claim - In most cases, roles are unique per game. A counter-claim is when one person challenges another person's role-claim by claiming the same role.
Fake Claim - Since your character or role can be indicative of your alignment, mafioso's usually invent fake claims to avoid suspicion. Cna also be done by Towns-persons trying to perform some sort of gambit.
FOS - Finger of suspicion. Indicates that you suspect someone of being mafia, but usually not enough to place a vote on them.
Hammer - Placing the last vote on someone to get them lynched.
JK - Jailkeeper, a combination of doctor and roleblocker.
LYLO - Lynch or Lose, a situation where the towns-people only outnumber the mafia by 1. Since the mafia gets a kill at night and this would tie them with the town and earn them a win, it is necessary for the town to lynch a mafia in this situation or they lose.
Modkill - You break my rules - I kill you. I will also retroactively convert you into a survivor such that you can't even claim a win with your original faction.
MYLO - Mislynch and Lose, a situation where the towns-people outnumber the mafia by 2. A mislynch gives the mafia a free kill which, when combined with the mafia night kill, allows the mafia to win. Barring irrefutable results, MYLO generally results in no lynch, which merely leads to LYLO.
NK - night kill, any kill performed at night, though usually refers to the mafia night kill.
PM - Private message. Players are only permitted to create or talk in Private Messages set up by the mod.
PR - Power Role, a role with some ability, either passive or active. Towns people without a power role are referred to as "Vanillas" while mafiosos without a power role are referred to as "Goons"
RVS - Random Voting Stage. When there is no information to go on, but you need to get the game moving, generally you'll pressure someone randomly.
Scum - Anyone that is not aligned with the town.
Scum-tell - some trait, or "tell" that indicates a person may be scum.
Softclaim - dropping hints, but not out-right claiming, to be a specific character or role.
SK - Serial Killer, a third party, night killing role.
WIFOM - Wine In Front Of Me. A subtle and complex type of psychology. Best explained here: http://mafiascum.net.........

Rules:

1. The only PMs you are allowed to use to talk about this game with other players are the PMs that I have specifically created for that purpose. Violation results in death.
2. Day phases will last until a majority vote has been reached or 48 hours has passed, whichever comes first. If the time-limit is reached, I will rely on Plurality Voting: whichever player (or VTNL) has the most votes will be lynched. Ties result in a No Lynch.
3. Night phases will last until everyone submits their night action or 48 hours has passed, whichever comes first. If the time-limit is reached, your action is forfeit.
4. If you are not active for an entire phase, I will ping you to get you active. Exception: if you have no night actions to perform, you obviously won't be active during the night phase.
5. If you are not active for a Day-Night-Day cycle, or you fail to respond to two pings (see #4), you will be replaced.
6. You may not cut-and-paste from any game PM into the Day Phase thread. You must always paraphrase. Violation results in death.
7. All game related questions should be directed to me, via PM. You don't have to create a PM, you may use your Role PM or mafia PM.

Set-Up:

This round includes an Open Setup. This means that all the roles will be known publicly. This game involves the following roles:

Town - 1x Cop, 1x Doctor, 5x Vanilla
Mafia - 1x Role-Cop, 2x Goon

Cop - Learns players' alignments.
Doctor - Protects players from the night kill.
Vanilla - No abilities.
Role-Cop - Learns players' roles.
Goon - No abilities (may still perform the Mafia night kill).

Resources:
(note: Mafia at DDO is its own beast and follows no set rules, even if we usually abide by common conventions. Keep that in mind).
http://wiki.epicmafia.com.........
http://mafiascum.net.........

-Drafterman
Xerge
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4/1/2012 12:32:59 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Living Players
1. Vmpire
2. Airmax
3. THEBOMB
4. FourTrouble
5. IFLYHIGH
6. Buddamoose
7. Kyro90
8. OberHerr
9. LK
10. Zaradi

With 10 players, it takes 6 votes to lynch.

Hardcore.Pwnography is my co-mod and speaks with authority.

This Day Phase will end Tues. April 1, 2012 8:30 Eastern.
Buddamoose
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4/1/2012 12:41:16 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/1/2012 12:32:59 PM, Xerge wrote:
Living Players
1. Vmpire
2. Airmax
3. THEBOMB
4. FourTrouble
5. IFLYHIGH
6. Buddamoose
7. Kyro90
8. OberHerr
9. LK
10. Zaradi

With 10 players, it takes 6 votes to lynch.

Hardcore.Pwnography is my co-mod and speaks with authority.

This Day Phase will end Tues. April 1, 2012 8:30 Eastern.

VTL IFLYHIGH for a claim
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Lordknukle
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4/1/2012 1:04:04 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Hello everybody.

Getting claims right now is going to utterly fail. All rational townies and mafia will claim vanilla and then we will get absolutely no where. In a game like this, we should go on both behaviour and investigative results. However, at this point, behaviour should take a more critical key.

Mod psychology is also a fairly important part of mafia. We must determine whether the mod would put X on mafia or X on town. Mod psychology in such a beginner game is relatively easy to predict and key player placement will be relatively easy to judge.

It is fairly obvious that Xerge would put one experienced player on the town side, and one experienced player on the mafia side to balance the odds. Having both on the town or mafia side would likely overpower one side against the other. The only two experienced players here right now are Zaradi and I.

I can guarantee town that I am a townie. Since I am a townie, I believe that the best course of action right now will be to take out the other more experienced player who is likely allied with the mafia side. This player is Zaradi.

As a result, I urge all of you to VTL Zaradi.

Also, I AM WILLING TO BE INVESTIGATED THIS NIGHT. There are no Godfather roles in this game so ALL investigations will reveal the truth about somebodies affiliation.

Investigators can be on me tonight to prove my innocence.

If I was mafia, I would not want the investigators on me as I would have no ability with which I could mess up their investigative results. Therefore, this proves that I am town.
"Easy is the descent to Avernus, for the door to the Underworld lies upon both day and night. But to retrace your steps and return to the breezes above- that's the task, that's the toil."
IFLYHIGH
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4/1/2012 1:21:33 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I am see LordKnuckles reasoning, but shouldn't we establish who cop is first so that we can investigate LordKnuckle tonight?
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4/1/2012 1:23:03 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/1/2012 1:21:33 PM, IFLYHIGH wrote:
I am see LordKnuckles reasoning, but shouldn't we establish who cop is first so that we can investigate LordKnuckle tonight?

NO. We MUST not give the cop away today.

Let the cop anonymously investigate me tonight and come up with the results tomorrow.

Outing power roles on DP1 is never a good idea.

Cop and Doc on me.
"Easy is the descent to Avernus, for the door to the Underworld lies upon both day and night. But to retrace your steps and return to the breezes above- that's the task, that's the toil."
Lordknukle
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4/1/2012 1:26:04 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/1/2012 1:24:59 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
VTL Iflyhigh for claim

Did you not read anything that I posted?
"Easy is the descent to Avernus, for the door to the Underworld lies upon both day and night. But to retrace your steps and return to the breezes above- that's the task, that's the toil."
IFLYHIGH
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4/1/2012 1:26:15 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/1/2012 1:23:03 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 4/1/2012 1:21:33 PM, IFLYHIGH wrote:
I am see LordKnuckles reasoning, but shouldn't we establish who cop is first so that we can investigate LordKnuckle tonight?

NO. We MUST not give the cop away today.

Let the cop anonymously investigate me tonight and come up with the results tomorrow.

Outing power roles on DP1 is never a good idea.

Cop and Doc on me.

Okay, I VTL Zaradi by process of elimination.
airmax1227
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4/1/2012 1:26:50 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/1/2012 1:26:04 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 4/1/2012 1:24:59 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
VTL Iflyhigh for claim

Did you not read anything that I posted?

I read it, I just don't care.. you are almost always mafia
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Lordknukle
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4/1/2012 1:28:22 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/1/2012 1:26:50 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 4/1/2012 1:26:04 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 4/1/2012 1:24:59 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
VTL Iflyhigh for claim

Did you not read anything that I posted?

I read it, I just don't care.. you are almost always mafia

LOL!

That is really really pathetic reasoning.

I presented a case that would confirm one experienced player as mafia and the other as town.
"Easy is the descent to Avernus, for the door to the Underworld lies upon both day and night. But to retrace your steps and return to the breezes above- that's the task, that's the toil."
IFLYHIGH
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4/1/2012 1:31:17 PM
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Wait, isn't Oberherr and Vmpire playing? I know for sure Vmpire has played 22 games and isn't Oberherr experienced as well?
airmax1227
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4/1/2012 1:31:35 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/1/2012 1:28:22 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 4/1/2012 1:26:50 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 4/1/2012 1:26:04 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 4/1/2012 1:24:59 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
VTL Iflyhigh for claim

Did you not read anything that I posted?

I read it, I just don't care.. you are almost always mafia

LOL!

That is really really pathetic reasoning.

I presented a case that would confirm one experienced player as mafia and the other as town.

Your case has merit and I'll most certainly be pressuring Zaradi at some point.. But I'd like to pressure noobs first...

Also, I've played in plenty of games with you now to know, I should never believe or listen to a thing you say
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Lordknukle
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4/1/2012 1:47:20 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/1/2012 1:31:17 PM, IFLYHIGH wrote:
Wait, isn't Oberherr and Vmpire playing? I know for sure Vmpire has played 22 games and isn't Oberherr experienced as well?

Yes, they are.

However, neither of them are really active in any of the games that they play.

Even though Zaradi has played less, he has been much more active and experienced.
"Easy is the descent to Avernus, for the door to the Underworld lies upon both day and night. But to retrace your steps and return to the breezes above- that's the task, that's the toil."
FourTrouble
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4/1/2012 2:00:55 PM
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Forgive these questions if they are really dumb, but how are we supposed to trust baseless intuitions about mod psychology? I personally don't know who is experienced or not, and I have no reason to suspect the mods know who the most experienced players are either. And more importantly, it seems like a lot more than just Zaradi or LK are experienced, as other players here have clearly played games with LK and Zaradi.
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4/1/2012 2:04:00 PM
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One of the 1st rules in Mafia are to be active. By signing up, you are making a commitment to be active and contribute to this game. Please be active because people ruin games when they are entirely inactive. If you don't wish to make such a commitment, then don't sign up.
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4/1/2012 2:07:04 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/1/2012 2:00:55 PM, FourTrouble wrote:
Forgive these questions if they are really dumb, but how are we supposed to trust baseless intuitions about mod psychology? I personally don't know who is experienced or not, and I have no reason to suspect the mods know who the most experienced players are either. And more importantly, it seems like a lot more than just Zaradi or LK are experienced, as other players here have clearly played games with LK and Zaradi.

There are a few more experienced players such as Airmax, OberHerr, Kyros, and Vmpire.
Xerge
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4/1/2012 2:11:20 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Official Vote Count
IFLYHIGH 2/6 – Buddamoose, Airmax
Zaradi 2/6-LK, IFLYHIGH

This Day Phase will end Tues. April 3, 2012 8:30pm Eastern, at which point there will be a VTNL.
OberHerr
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4/1/2012 2:16:26 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
So........um.

Meh.
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4/1/2012 2:21:44 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/1/2012 2:03:37 PM, FourTrouble wrote:
I think the fact that Iflyhigh wants to establish who cop is is suspicious.

Trust me, I do not want the to establish who the cop is this early in the game. I was simply asking wouldn't LordKnuckles generous offer of being investigated be useless unless we had already established who the cop was. I was trying to find out if his claim was reliable, not trying to establish who to cop is.
airmax1227
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4/1/2012 2:24:21 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/1/2012 2:21:44 PM, IFLYHIGH wrote:
At 4/1/2012 2:03:37 PM, FourTrouble wrote:
I think the fact that Iflyhigh wants to establish who cop is is suspicious.

Trust me, I do not want the to establish who the cop is this early in the game. I was simply asking wouldn't LordKnuckles generous offer of being investigated be useless unless we had already established who the cop was. I was trying to find out if his claim was reliable, not trying to establish who to cop is.

The cop himself knows who he is, so he can investigate upon his own volition.. and he usually should just keep it to himself this early in the game and probably investigate LK
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Lordknukle
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4/1/2012 2:34:09 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Yes.

Cop should investigate me tonight and not reveal himself today.

Fourtrouble: It is not baseless mod psychology. Zaradi and I are the most experienced here and it is logical to assume that he would put us both on opposing teams.

The fact that I am even willing to be investigated (without any investigator messer uppers) shows that I am town.
"Easy is the descent to Avernus, for the door to the Underworld lies upon both day and night. But to retrace your steps and return to the breezes above- that's the task, that's the toil."
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4/1/2012 2:36:33 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/1/2012 2:34:09 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Yes.

Cop should investigate me tonight and not reveal himself today.

Fourtrouble: It is not baseless mod psychology. Zaradi and I are the most experienced here and it is logical to assume that he would put us both on opposing teams.

The fact that I am even willing to be investigated (without any investigator messer uppers) shows that I am town.

WIFOM

Anyways, Cop, whoevr you are, DO NOT REVEAL THAT YOU GOT RESULTS UNLESS A) The person you got inno on is about to be lynched, or B) You get a guilty result.

THIS IS PIVITOL.
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vmpire321
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4/1/2012 2:39:15 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/1/2012 1:47:20 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 4/1/2012 1:31:17 PM, IFLYHIGH wrote:
Wait, isn't Oberherr and Vmpire playing? I know for sure Vmpire has played 22 games and isn't Oberherr experienced as well?

Yes, they are.

However, neither of them are really active in any of the games that they play.

Even though Zaradi has played less, he has been much more active and experienced.

You suck. :P
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4/1/2012 2:39:31 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/1/2012 2:36:33 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 4/1/2012 2:34:09 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Yes.

Cop should investigate me tonight and not reveal himself today.

Fourtrouble: It is not baseless mod psychology. Zaradi and I are the most experienced here and it is logical to assume that he would put us both on opposing teams.

The fact that I am even willing to be investigated (without any investigator messer uppers) shows that I am town.

WIFOM

Anyways, Cop, whoevr you are, DO NOT REVEAL THAT YOU GOT RESULTS UNLESS A) The person you got inno on is about to be lynched, or B) You get a guilty result.

THIS IS PIVITOL.

Not at all. It would be WIFOM if there was a possibility of roles that could mess with the cop results.

Since this is a closed set up, it is pretty obvious that there are none.

Me wanting to get investigated is highly town-like behaviour.

No mafia in their right mind would say that they wanted to be investigated in a game like this.
"Easy is the descent to Avernus, for the door to the Underworld lies upon both day and night. But to retrace your steps and return to the breezes above- that's the task, that's the toil."