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4/23/2012 1:03:59 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
[finally, I can write a story! Nice, clean kill!]

Professor Enterius Chelmey sat quietly in his study. Flipping through a good book, sipping tea and all the while thinking about the threats that plagued Folsense in dimmed lighting was quite the relaxing experience.

And then he realised something, something of great importance. He closed his book, and began to cross check some facts. Yes, it made quite a bit of sense. And that point of interest ... yes, it might well be easily solved.

Putting on his suitcoat again to go out and find something, the professor stopped briefly. He couldn't just leave his cup of earl grey there, now could he? He finished it up, opened the door and took a breath of the clear night air.

He heard the tap of footsteps nearby and recognised a figure.

"Professor," said the figure before him, sweat visible on his forehead. This person had clearly done something the Professor noted.
"What are you doing here at this hour?" he asked sharply.
"Come now, you can surely figure that out."

The Professor glanced around swiftly. His sword was inside. He couldn't just let Clark down...

The figure pulled out his gun and shot Professor Enterius Chelmey through the heart. The Professor collapsed, blood pouring over his formerly cream suit. He tried to write a message on the pavement, yet...

Chelmey was dead.

On a better front though...

The police have discovered who 'Fritz Garnier' really was. The villain of the time - Frances Monde. He was still seething about things, even after a night in the police station.

Danielle - Professor Enterius Chelmey - One of Clark's long time friends, Clark contacted you recently to investigate what he described as 'ominous happenings' . As a scholarly gentleman you accepted with grace. Because of your blazing intellect, puzzle solving abilities and investigative zeal, you are the investigative JOAT - you can watch, track or cop a player each night. Your powers of deduction also enable you to see through any tricks (ie. lawyer or godfather powers, millers etc.) that are intended to hide the truth. Furthermore, your powers of deduction enable you to discover secrets. On some NPs you will discover crucial pieces of information. You win with the town.

Mestari - Frances Monde - You are a rich and influential man whose wish is to finally uncover The Golden Garden. To this end, you have bought out various figures in Folsense. You however aren't really a man for fieldwork. Nevertheless, your considerable funds allow you to engineer an unstoppable kill and a 1 shot roleblock. You win with the Mafia.

Living Players

1. F-16
2. Drafterman
3. Lickdafoot
4. Royalpaladin
5. Bluesteel
6. TV
7. M. Torres
8. Marauder
9. Medic
10. tulle (Nonentity)
11. Xerge

It takes 6 votes to lynch.
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4/23/2012 1:07:44 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Results
1. Guilty on Danielle
2. Innocent on Danielle
3. The psychologist visited Torres

It looks like our mole Tracker has decided to mes with the results by changing his disguise. Medic, can you please claim which result is your result?
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4/23/2012 1:08:30 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Lol, I knew Mestari was mafia.
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4/23/2012 1:10:01 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/23/2012 1:07:44 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
Results
1. Guilty on Danielle
2. Innocent on Danielle
3. The psychologist visited Torres

It looks like our mole Tracker has decided to mes with the results by changing his disguise. Medic, can you please claim which result is your result?

Wat? Shouldn't one of your results be from a tracker?
o.O;
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4/23/2012 1:12:13 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/23/2012 1:10:01 AM, tvellalott wrote:
At 4/23/2012 1:07:44 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
Results
1. Guilty on Danielle
2. Innocent on Danielle
3. The psychologist visited Torres

It looks like our mole Tracker has decided to mes with the results by changing his disguise. Medic, can you please claim which result is your result?

Wat? Shouldn't one of your results be from a tracker?
o.O;

Yeah, but I got two cop results.
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4/23/2012 1:15:58 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Graveyard
1) PR - Officer Locke - Cop - Town
2) TUF - Anton Herzen - Messenger/Vigilante/Psychotic Lover - Third Party
3) Mestari - Frances Monde - 1-shot unblockable kill, 1-shot roleblocker
4) Danielle - Professor Enterius Chelmey - Investigative JOAT; receives clues?

Claims

Role Claims

1) F-16 - Archbishop Gamelon - Reviver
2) Xerge - Venerable Bishop - Watcher
3) Royal - Police Chief Walter Barnaby - Receives Reports
4) Marauder - ??? - Psychologist
5) Drafter - Lemar DuPont - Temporary Miller
6) Blue - Chevalier de Roland - Bodyguard
7) Medic - Detective Capote - Cop

Character Claims
8) TV - Nameless French Vet from Algier (Despises Algierians)

Unclaimed
10) LDF
11) M. Torres
12) Tulle (Nonentity)

Night Actions


1) Royal
NP1:
- Tracker sees Drafter visits nobody.
- Cop investigates F-16 but dies.
- Cop investigates TUF Guilty.
- Psychologist councils Drafter

NP2:
- Tracker sees Blue visit F-16.
- Cop investigates Drafter Guilty.
- Psychologist councils Danielle.

NP3:
- Cop investigates Danielle guilty
- Cop investigates Danielle innocent.
- Psychologist councils M.Torres

2) Mestari
NP1: Sees LDF (Inno)
NP2: Sees Blue, F-16, and Medic

3) Xerge
NP1: Watches Royal, no visits
NP2: Watches F-16, sees Mestari visit him

4) Marauder
NP1: Councils Drafter
NP2: Councils Danielle
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4/23/2012 1:20:32 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
What do you think about Mestari's Dreamer "results"? Do you think that he included a Mafioso in the dream just to cover his tracks (partial bus) or do you think he only put townies in the PM?
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4/23/2012 1:21:07 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/23/2012 1:20:32 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
What do you think about Mestari's Dreamer "results"? Do you think that he included a Mafioso in the dream just to cover his tracks (partial bus) or do you think he only put townies in the results?


Fixed
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4/23/2012 1:34:15 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Ok, so it's obvious to me that Danielle is one of the three results.
I base this on the following assumptions (which could certainly be wrong):
-Danielle's revealed info is correct (Seems authentic and have no reason to believe a dead anti-town player would appear as Investigative JOAT on death)
-Danielle is the only investigative JOAT (This may be wrong, but I doubt it... That would either massively overpower town (if they were both sane) or cripple town (if one or both are not sane).

So, since royal's results have changed from one cop, one tracker and one psychologist to two cops and one psychologist, it seems highly likely that the tracker results were from Danielle.

SO! I have to put my Danielle hat on and ask the following question:
If royal was revealing results consistent with Danielle's results, why was Danielle seemingly certain that royal was mafia? I will get to the bottom of this.

F-16, you need to revive Danielle tonight.

Anyway, I want a full claim from M.Torres.
Of the three unclaimed people, he wasn't involved in the lynching of Mestari, who has flipped mafia.

VOTE M.Torres


As for Mestari's dream results; I'm not going to try and get any information from it. The WIFOM is too thick, best to completely ignore them.
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4/23/2012 2:41:07 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/23/2012 1:34:15 AM, tvellalott wrote:
Ok, so it's obvious to me that Danielle is one of the three results.
I base this on the following assumptions (which could certainly be wrong):
-Danielle's revealed info is correct (Seems authentic and have no reason to believe a dead anti-town player would appear as Investigative JOAT on death)
-Danielle is the only investigative JOAT (This may be wrong, but I doubt it... That would either massively overpower town (if they were both sane) or cripple town (if one or both are not sane).

So, since royal's results have changed from one cop, one tracker and one psychologist to two cops and one psychologist, it seems highly likely that the tracker results were from Danielle.

SO! I have to put my Danielle hat on and ask the following question:
If royal was revealing results consistent with Danielle's results, why was Danielle seemingly certain that royal was mafia? I will get to the bottom of this.

F-16, you need to revive Danielle tonight.

Anyway, I want a full claim from M.Torres.
Of the three unclaimed people, he wasn't involved in the lynching of Mestari, who has flipped mafia.

VOTE M.Torres


As for Mestari's dream results; I'm not going to try and get any information from it. The WIFOM is too thick, best to completely ignore them.

Wait a second, if royal didn't get PR's cop results from the first night phase because he died, how could she have gotten Danielle's results last night?

Blah. I'm going to work this out.
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4/23/2012 5:30:31 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Wait... why would mafia plant fake results on Danielle AND night kill her?

I'm thinking that either Danielle was the SK kill and the mafia kill failed or the cop results aren't faked by the mafia.
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4/23/2012 7:31:55 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Going for broke ladies and gentleman. ;)

Here goes:

Danielle, who for all intensive purposes is confirmed, posted her analysis and accusations, but this quote sums up the evidence for the following FOS's:

At 4/20/2012 1:12:07 AM, Danielle wrote:
I know for a fact at least 1 cop (maybe more - wouldn't be surprised if there were 2) are mafia. So our concern should be finding them.

which she said here:

http://www.debate.org...

OK, so Danielle's role says that she received clues as well as her results and she seems pretty certain that royal is mafia. I maintain how many times she mentioned how her role was town in another game was scumtastic, so together you get...

FOS on royalpaladin


Second of all, medic has claimed Detective Capote, a cop. Danielle says she KNOWS a cop is dirty, so claiming a cop is suspicious, so you get...

FOS on medic0506

And last but not least, I have a theory. I think the psychologist is a bogus thing. Perhaps he was supposed to catch the crazy third-party role. I mean, the unblockable kill (one of Mestari's power which I believe was used on F-16) was blocked... That and given the lack of night kills, I find it VERY hard to believe there is a serial killer...

I think your post...

At 4/23/2012 5:30:31 AM, drafterman wrote:
Wait... why would mafia plant fake results on Danielle AND night kill her?

I'm thinking that either Danielle was the SK kill and the mafia kill failed or the cop results aren't faked by the mafia.

...seems to indicates you're CERTAIN there is a serial killer and it shows your guilt; it's as though you have some knowledge outside of the town... Has any of the story indicated there is a serial killer? The story only refers to the killer as "the figure" and "this person" and only that "they had clearly done something".
We know he spoke English, had a gun and that the professor recognised him.
How did you get serial killer from that? Your reasoning is bogus.

FOS on drafterman
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4/23/2012 7:40:03 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/23/2012 7:31:55 AM, tvellalott wrote:

At 4/23/2012 5:30:31 AM, drafterman wrote:
Wait... why would mafia plant fake results on Danielle AND night kill her?

I'm thinking that either Danielle was the SK kill and the mafia kill failed or the cop results aren't faked by the mafia.

...seems to indicates you're CERTAIN there is a serial killer and it shows your guilt; it's as though you have some knowledge outside of the town... Has any of the story indicated there is a serial killer? The story only refers to the killer as "the figure" and "this person" and only that "they had clearly done something".
We know he spoke English, had a gun and that the professor recognised him.
How did you get serial killer from that? Your reasoning is bogus.

FOS on drafterman


I get the existence of the serial killer from the existence of the psychologist, who can convert the serial killer to town. This may have been TUF, but that hasn't been confirmed yet.
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4/23/2012 7:40:05 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/23/2012 7:36:00 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
FOS Bluesteel If the Tracker results were accurate, he lied about visiting F_16 last night.

Unvote

VTL Bluesteel


We need to get more claims. bluesteel has already fully claimed, there's no reason to vote for him now unless you plan on lynching him. Again, FOS on royalpaladin, lol.
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4/23/2012 7:42:20 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/23/2012 7:40:03 AM, drafterman wrote:
I get the existence of the serial killer from the existence of the psychologist, who can convert the serial killer to town. This may have been TUF, but that hasn't been confirmed yet.

Wait, what?!
Nothing about TUF's death scene or role indicate her was converted, nor has the psychologist even visited TUF...

Again, FOS on drafterman, lol.
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4/23/2012 7:43:26 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/23/2012 7:40:03 AM, drafterman wrote:
At 4/23/2012 7:31:55 AM, tvellalott wrote:

At 4/23/2012 5:30:31 AM, drafterman wrote:
Wait... why would mafia plant fake results on Danielle AND night kill her?

I'm thinking that either Danielle was the SK kill and the mafia kill failed or the cop results aren't faked by the mafia.

...seems to indicates you're CERTAIN there is a serial killer and it shows your guilt; it's as though you have some knowledge outside of the town... Has any of the story indicated there is a serial killer? The story only refers to the killer as "the figure" and "this person" and only that "they had clearly done something".
We know he spoke English, had a gun and that the professor recognised him.
How did you get serial killer from that? Your reasoning is bogus.

FOS on drafterman


I get the existence of the serial killer from the existence of the psychologist, who can convert the serial killer to town. This may have been TUF, but that hasn't been confirmed yet.

Also, TV, your FOS is unfounded. My conclusion wasn't just out of the blue, indicating some secret knowledge, but rather a result of the thought process which I posted. If you are going to suspect my conclusion, at least address the reasonning.

If Danielle was the mafia night kill, why post fake cop results on her?
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4/23/2012 7:47:43 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/23/2012 7:43:26 AM, drafterman wrote:
If Danielle was the mafia night kill, why post fake cop results on her?

You haven't explained why you think she had evidence planted on her, as though you're avoiding the point about royal being fake, which is my main FOS. If royal is making up evidence, then that answers your question.

Please.
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4/23/2012 7:50:41 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
*quivering with anticipation*
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4/23/2012 7:59:32 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/23/2012 7:47:43 AM, tvellalott wrote:
At 4/23/2012 7:43:26 AM, drafterman wrote:
If Danielle was the mafia night kill, why post fake cop results on her?

You haven't explained why you think she had evidence planted on her, as though you're avoiding the point about royal being fake, which is my main FOS. If royal is making up evidence, then that answers your question.

Please.

Everyone pretty much believes that some of the results being posted by royal are fake, whether by royal herself or by some other party. So... here is my reasoning:

1. There is a guilty and a innocent result on Danielle [Given]
2. One of those results is either flavored or faked.
3. If faked, it was either faked by the mafia or faked by someone else (not mafia)
4. Thus 2 + 4 = One of those results is either flavored, faked by the mafia, or faked by someone else.
5. If flavored, then it wasn't faked by the mafia.
6. If faked by someone else, then it wasn't faked by the mafia.
7. Thus 4 + 5 + 6 = The result was either faked by the mafia or wasn't faked by the mafia.
8. If it was faked by the mafia, then the mafia wouldn't also kill her. (Reasonable assumption, I think)
9. Thus, 7 + 9 = The mafia didn't kill her or the result wasn't faked by the mafia.
10. If the mafia didn't kill her, a vig or SK did. (For the record, SK is merely shorthand for any non-town, non-mafia night killing role)
11. The vig would have had no reason to kill her.
12. Thus, 10 + 11 = If the mafia didn't kill her, a SK did.
13. Thus, 9 + 12 = The SK killed her or the result wasn't faked by the mafia.

In other words:

"I'm thinking that either Danielle was the SK kill and the mafia kill failed or the cop results aren't faked by the mafia."
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4/23/2012 8:02:02 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/23/2012 7:40:05 AM, tvellalott wrote:
At 4/23/2012 7:36:00 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
FOS Bluesteel If the Tracker results were accurate, he lied about visiting F_16 last night.

Unvote

VTL Bluesteel


We need to get more claims. bluesteel has already fully claimed, there's no reason to vote for him now unless you plan on lynching him. Again, FOS on royalpaladin, lol.

Danielle was giving us tracker results. Since you believe Danielle was town, her results are accurate. Ergo, Bluesteel visited F_16 and lied about it.
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4/23/2012 8:09:15 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/23/2012 7:59:32 AM, drafterman wrote:
Some cheeky math and condescendingly long explanations about why I'm stupid

Cool story, bro.

Do you think there is a mafia, serial killer and a crazy third party vigilante lover in the same game? A game with fifteen people?
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4/23/2012 8:10:17 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/23/2012 8:02:02 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 4/23/2012 7:40:05 AM, tvellalott wrote:
At 4/23/2012 7:36:00 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
FOS Bluesteel If the Tracker results were accurate, he lied about visiting F_16 last night.

Unvote

VTL Bluesteel


We need to get more claims. bluesteel has already fully claimed, there's no reason to vote for him now unless you plan on lynching him. Again, FOS on royalpaladin, lol.

Danielle was giving us tracker results. Since you believe Danielle was town, her results are accurate. Ergo, Bluesteel visited F_16 and lied about it.

So you FOS bluesteel in bold and he'll address your accusation. In the meantime, we should pressure people for claims, k plox?
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4/23/2012 8:13:26 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/23/2012 8:09:15 AM, tvellalott wrote:
At 4/23/2012 7:59:32 AM, drafterman wrote:
Some cheeky math and condescendingly long explanations about why I'm stupid

Cool story, bro.

Do you think there is a mafia, serial killer and a crazy third party vigilante lover in the same game? A game with fifteen people?

No, I don't.
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4/23/2012 8:15:19 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/23/2012 8:13:26 AM, drafterman wrote:
At 4/23/2012 8:09:15 AM, tvellalott wrote:
At 4/23/2012 7:59:32 AM, drafterman wrote:
Some cheeky math and condescendingly long explanations about why I'm stupid

Cool story, bro.

Do you think there is a mafia, serial killer and a crazy third party vigilante lover in the same game? A game with fifteen people?

No, I don't.

http://i1.kym-cdn.com...
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4/23/2012 8:18:20 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/23/2012 8:15:19 AM, tvellalott wrote:
At 4/23/2012 8:13:26 AM, drafterman wrote:
At 4/23/2012 8:09:15 AM, tvellalott wrote:
At 4/23/2012 7:59:32 AM, drafterman wrote:
Some cheeky math and condescendingly long explanations about why I'm stupid

Cool story, bro.

Do you think there is a mafia, serial killer and a crazy third party vigilante lover in the same game? A game with fifteen people?

No, I don't.

http://i1.kym-cdn.com...

Then what do we make of the results?
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4/23/2012 8:21:47 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/23/2012 8:18:20 AM, drafterman wrote:
At 4/23/2012 8:15:19 AM, tvellalott wrote:
At 4/23/2012 8:13:26 AM, drafterman wrote:
At 4/23/2012 8:09:15 AM, tvellalott wrote:
At 4/23/2012 7:59:32 AM, drafterman wrote:
Some cheeky math and condescendingly long explanations about why I'm stupid

Cool story, bro.

Do you think there is a mafia, serial killer and a crazy third party vigilante lover in the same game? A game with fifteen people?

No, I don't.

http://i1.kym-cdn.com...

Then what do we make of the results?

royal might have messed up and forgot she said she didn't receive PR's results because he was dead and gave Danielles results, even though they killed her.
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4/23/2012 8:23:45 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
royal might have messed up and forgot she said she didn't receive PR's results because he was dead and gave Danielles results, even though they killed her.

I mean, I agree that with Danielle's tracker results confirmed, bluesteel is suspicious but it seems like a diversion from the real issue... Her.
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4/23/2012 8:27:08 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
I have an idea. I'm the apprentice. I chose royal on np2 and basically if she dies, I get a modified version of her role. If we Lynch royal and she's guilty, we know medic is also guilty. Whether she's innocent or guilty I still get a similar role so we don't have to worry about losing investigations.
yang.