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5/31/2012 8:45:24 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
1st Place: Mafia (BlueSteel, Royalpaladin/LDF, Mestari, HCP)
2nd Place: Town
3rd Place: Cult (Thaddeus, buddamoose, Zaradi, Logic)
4th Place: Iflyhigh


AWARDS:

MVP award: BlueSteel

Both the best Town player, and Anti-Town Player. Used spot on logic to figure out all game mechanics, and depsite the massive manipulation against the town, still was a mafia/cult catching machine.
Well, then he was chosen as a recruit by the mafia (through getting the hidden post count he was also given the 2 NK per night as part of the hidden post count) he was able to ease his way around the truth syrum, thus 'Confirming himself'. He said through truth syrum "The PM I recieved from TUF is _____" Which was not a lie, as he really did receive that role. At that point he was pretty much home free. When vmpire got a guilty result on him, I knew the town was going to win. Surprisingly they didn't trust the result though (even though the universal lawyer was dead. WTF guys?and you all must not have thought he was mafia given you lynched logic so...???) Anyways, he was able to manipulate his way towards the win. He did awesome on both fronts, and I was truly appalled by his player skills.
Pretty much every time he would post my mouth would drop, as he would either guess a game mechanic, or come out with great FOS on an Anti-Town member.

Best use of role award: BlackVoid/BlueSteel

BlackVoid did pretty good with his role. He targeted budda a few times, and was un-lucky a lot as there was either a mix all night actions, universal protection, or a regular protection on him. But he did convienently target him on Even Day phases when he actually hypothetically Could be killed.
He really only had one "Mis-Kill" With Medic.
Besides this, he was one of the ones who was playing pretty well in the game along side BlueSteel.

BlueSteel Also gets this award. He used his truth syrum on an anti-town member Every single night phase he was alive. This guy has incredible fvcking intution or something. BlueSteel, I now legitimetly don't Ever want to be mafia in a game where you are town. You scare me bro.

Took it Like a champ award: IFLYHIGH

Came in the game being role-copped, and under truth syrum. Seriously bad bad bad luck. He still played very well none-the-less, and stuck it out like a true player. Although you did miss out on quite a few oppetunities to win as 3rd party, you stayed honest and true to the town.

Okay so yeah, the Anti-Town was extremely OP'ed as I said right off the bat when we started this game. So I understand if people are angry with what happened, but I am going to say right now that the town was extremely close to winning depsite the OP'edness of the mafia.

The main over arching game mechanic was Townie confusion.

Here is the Anti-Town Factions Advatanges:
1. All mafia got to choose there roles before the start of the game from a list of some pretty powerful roles. HCP chose Popular player. Both LDF and mestari chose Universal lawyer (Not knowing who there mafia mates were at the time, or what they chose).

So yeah the universal lawyer thing was an attempt to cause mass manipulation for the town. Didn't really work as planned, and town figured out not to trust results pretty fast. So yes there was a lot of investigaters, but most of them were useless given mestari and LDF's Roles.

2. Cult had hidden flavors.

Besides thaddeus, each cult member had an awesome flavor to it.

Budda was the odd DP janitor. He was also flavored so that he could not die on any odd day or night phase.

Zaradi was flavored such that on his death he could either recruit a person into the cult, or kill two of the players on his lynch.

Thaddeus had an uber powerful JOAT role.

Cult had no every night recruit ability, but had a lot of weapons in their arsenal. I think the cult played well despite their loss, but were just unfortunate to have BlueSteel play on the opposite team as them.

3. The post count option.

The post count was an option in to help the town. However upon mafia hitting, they would get an extremely powerful weapon... A recruit, and an extra every night NK.

This is what won the game for BS, as he was severely outnumbered, and under normal circumstances this game would have gone on to like NP15 or something.

4. Anti-Town had the mod on their side.

I Used a little bit bastard modding. I helped both mafia and cult with Fake claims, given their low numbers to start out with. This ended up not mattering though as none of them were used. IE watcher and a tracker were roles not used in this game. Still Zaradi decided to go with dreamer... lol.

5. Mafia had two anti-Death millers.

Didn't end up really working out for them though, as most people knew that royals, and HCP's death roles were fake.

The TOWNS weapons.

1. Powerful Roles

The town were given some pretty good role in their arsenal. Tons of investigaters (this was helpful when royal and mestari were dead), plenty of JOATS with awesome abilites, truth syrum, role recycling, basically 2 doctors, etc.

I heard a lot of complaints from the anti-town factions on town being OP'ed. Yes, that was the point.

2. Mason PM's.

This was a mechanic to help the town. I didn't expect this to go hidden past dp1, and wasn't surprised to see that it was found out so quickly.
Anyways, with all the manipulation going on I figured being able to narrow down one or two scum out of a group of 5 people would help confirm playes, and dampen confusion for the town.

3. Post count information.

The yes or no questions, plus the info given to bluesteel were a big help to the town. Eventually I had to hide the post counts, given all the spam. I also made them higher up, so that the game would steer away from people caring to heavily about getting the information as opposed to actually playing. It worked. Eventually people seemed to stop caring abd played the game normally.

4. This was the one I was surprised no one caught on too. I did mention that the character names held some game mechanic, though they were meaningless for the most part. This was true. Every mason group had names that rhymed with each other. Town could probably have helped narrow down mafia/Cult Fake claims by mass character name claiming.

5. Clues in the OP.

There was several clues in the OP's that were hidden. Riddles that outed mafia names, secret clues in videos IE anagrams, etc. Absolutely none of these were found out unfortunately. I feel my creativity was pooped upon :(

Roles:

BlackVoid- Vig- Town

BlueSteel2- vengeful PGO- Town (Recruited to mafia)

Vmpire- Cop- Town

LordKnukle- Picker- Town

Logic on rails- Role Copies/1x BP- Town (Recruited to Cult)

Airmax- Giver- Town

Johnnyboy24- Protective JOAT- Town

Budda- Odd Day phase Janitor (BP odd DP/NP's as well) - Cult

OberHerr- Role Recycler- Town

Medic0506- Mathematical JOAT- Town

F-16_Fighting_Falcon- Jailer/kindapper- Town

IFLYHIGH- Poster/Survivor- 3rd party

GreyParrot- Beloved Townie- Town

Viper-King- Lie Detector- Town

HCP- Popular Player- Mafia

Mestari- Universal Lawyer- Mafia

Royal- Universal Lawyer- Mafia

Thaddeus- Manipulative JOAT- Cult

BlueSteel- Truth Extractor- Town

USM- Investigative JOAT - Town

DNinja-3x Universal Tracker- Town

Zaradi- RoleBlocker/Death avenger- Cult
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5/31/2012 8:51:15 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Intended NP1 Actions.
1.Bcresmer Not applicable
2. LDF Universal Lawyer
3. F-16 Kidnaps roleblocks and protects Dninja
4. Thaddeus Randomizes all night actions.
5. HCP Not applicable
6. Mestari Not applicable
7. Zaradi role blocks
8. USM Investigates BlueSteel
9. BlackVoid Vig kills Budda
10. Medic waIves night action
11. Budda not applicable
12. Jordan Not applicable
13. Airmax gives BlackVoid an extra Vig shot
14. Bluesteel Uses truth syrum on Medic
15. DetectableNinja Role Blocked
16. Viper-King LD's VK's IWWTT Statement
17. JohnnyBoy54 waived
18. Greyparrot not applicable
19. Vmpire Investigates Bluesteel
20.LordKnukle Role Cop Bluesteel
21. FourTrouble protects Blackvoid
22. Logic on rails Maybe applicable, if targeted by townie.
23. OberHerr Not Applicable

Untold Stores Trust
do not trust results

Randomized Night actions NP1
1.Bcresmer Not applicable
2. LDF Universal lawyers
3. F-16 Kidnaps HCP
4. Thaddeus randomizes
5. HCP not applicable
6. Mestari waives
7. Zaradi roleblocks johhnyboy
8. USM investigates F-16
9. BlackVoid vig kills Dninja
10. Medic waives
11. Budda not apllicable
12. Jordan not applicable
13. Airmax gives vig kill to Bluesteel
14. Bluesteel Gives truth syrum to Bcresmer
15. DetectableNinja Night killed
16. Viper-King LD's Usm's IWWTT statement
17. JohnnyBoy54 roleblocked
18. Greyparrot Not available
19. Vmpire investigates LordKnukle
20. LordKnukle roleCops Bcresmer
21. FourTrouble protects jordan
22. Logic on rails night killed, but withstands action
23. Oberherr Not available

NP2 Night Actions
1.IFLY not applicable
2. LDF Forfeits action
3. F-16 Kidnaps budda
4. Thaddeus Gave up night action for recruit
5. HCP not applicable
6. Mestari forfeits action
7. BlackVoid Kill Budda
8. Medic Multiplies all of logics night actions by 3
9. Budda not applicable
10. Jordan not applicable
11. Airmax Give Bv 1 shot track
12. Bluesteel Gives truth syrum to LDF
13. Viper-King LD's BlueSteels info
14. JohnnyBoy54 universal protects everyone
15. Greyparrot Not applicable
16. Vmpire investigates BV
17. LordKnukle Role Cops Logic
18. FourTrouble Doc's Logic
19. Logic on rails RC's grey VK, and vmpire
20. OberHerr recycles DN's role Master track

NP3 night actions
1.IFLY Not available
2. F-16 waives night action
3. HCP Not applicable
4. Mestari waives unversal lawyer, carries out the night kill
5. BlackVoid tracks mestari, kills budda
6. Medic add divides buddas role by 0
7. Buddamoose janitors thaddeus (loses night action)
8. Jordan not applicable
9. Airmax gives HCP 1x track
10. Bluesteel Gives the truth syrum to logic
11. Viper-King LD's IFLYHIGH's statement
12. JohnnyBoy54 vesting Oberr
13. Greyparrot not applicable
14. Vmpire Investigates Logic
15. LordKnukle Not applicable tonight.
16. FourTrouble protects logic
17. Logic on rails still waiting.
18. OberHerr recycles USM's Cop ability on Logic

NP4 Night actions
1.IFLY not applicable
2. F-16 waives
3. HCP recruits BlueSteel, and kill f-16
4. BlackVoid vig kills HCP
5. Medic add one to Ober's
6. Buddamoose not applicable
7. BlueSteel Not applicable
8. Airmax gives BV 1x shot doc
9. Viper-King LD's Ober's IWWTT statement
10. JohnnyBoy54 doc on vmpire
11. Greyparrot not applicable
12. Vmpire investigates Johhny
13. LordKnukle watch F-16
14. FourTrouble doc's Blackvoid
15. Logic on rails Not applicable
16. OberHerr recycles truth syrum on BS 2

NP 5 night actions
1. BlackVoid Doc's himself, Kills medic
2. Medic target's BV with subtract one
3. Buddamoose not applicable
4. BlueSteel2 kills VK and Ober
5. Airmax revived F-16
6. Viper-King NK'ed
7. JohnnyBoy54 not applicable
8. Vmpire investigate medic
9. LordKnukle roleblocks BV
10. FourTrouble doc BV
11. Logic on rails Not applicable
12. OberHerr NK'ed, and roleblocked.

can't Find Word document for NP6 actions (if you really want them I'll go fish em up)

NP7 Night actions
1. BlackVoid Doc's himself, Kills medic
2. Medic target's BV with subtract one
3. Buddamoose not applicable
4. BlueSteel2 kills VK and Ober
5. Airmax revived F-16
6. Viper-King NK'ed
7. JohnnyBoy54 not applicable
8. Vmpire investigate medic
9. LordKnukle roleblocks BV
10. FourTrouble doc BV
11. Logic on rails Not applicable
12. OberHerr NK'ed, and roleblocked.
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5/31/2012 8:52:09 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Why did the Truth Serum not work on BS?
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5/31/2012 8:54:18 PM
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I feel like there is no way we could have won this.....
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5/31/2012 8:54:23 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Town Was So close to winning this game so many times. I had to debate with myself whether or not to let BlueSteel be recruited by the mafia.
If I didn't let him be recruited, then Town would have won that night as BV killed HCP who recruited him.

But I had already told another player that mafia night actions take priority in this game, plus I was already doing that in the game. Thus I decided to still let it go through.

Anyways, town, do not take your loss harshly, as you guys played INCREDIBLY well given the circumstances.

If any one has any constructive feed back on the game, please feel free to share :)
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5/31/2012 8:55:54 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/31/2012 8:53:42 PM, BlackVoid wrote:
Wait, so the mafia got an extra night kill, every night, for getting the right post number one time???

pretty much. There was like 16 players to one.

You guys still had 3 chances to hit the last mafia anyway. I honestly thought blueSteel would be a goner. You guys let him off the hook pretty easily.
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5/31/2012 8:56:20 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/31/2012 8:54:18 PM, OberHerr wrote:
I feel like there is no way we could have won this.....

What do you mean? You guys almost won like 3 times.
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5/31/2012 8:57:54 PM
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Amazing game, even though it was a hell of a lot biased towards the mafia side.

I think that the most major thing that caused our loss was probably not trusting the results and the extra NK (now that was a hell of a lot OP).

Anyways, great game. Mafia, especially Bluesteel2, played extremely well kudos.
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5/31/2012 9:02:07 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/31/2012 8:59:50 PM, BlackVoid wrote:
Who was Rob?

Me! MWAHAHA.

JK. It was royal.
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5/31/2012 9:03:18 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/31/2012 8:57:54 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Amazing game, even though it was a hell of a lot biased towards the mafia side.

It's funny, practically every Anti-Town player in the game was convinced on arguing with me that the town was OP'ed lol.

I OP'ed the shi1t out of both teams.
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5/31/2012 9:05:23 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Well I'm mostly relieved to see that BV was town in the end..

Good game mafia..

Good game everyone else too..

It was fun and interesting so props TUF
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5/31/2012 9:05:46 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/31/2012 9:03:18 PM, TUF wrote:
At 5/31/2012 8:57:54 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Amazing game, even though it was a hell of a lot biased towards the mafia side.

It's funny, practically every Anti-Town player in the game was convinced on arguing with me that the town was OP'ed lol.

I OP'ed the shi1t out of both teams.

Once we(cult) found out about death flavors we shut up lol.
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5/31/2012 9:07:40 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/31/2012 9:02:07 PM, TUF wrote:
At 5/31/2012 8:59:50 PM, BlackVoid wrote:
Who was Rob?

Me! MWAHAHA.

JK. It was royal.

Well Royal died DP4, so why did the OPs continue to imply that Rob was alive? That was what I based half my decision off of on DP8, that Rob was alive and that you wouldnt give it to vamp or Jordan.

Anyway, i thought the game was fun for the most part, but with all the graveyard manipulation and recruitments, it made it really hard to figure out who to lynch late-game.

Town was dominating early, but like we saw, just recruiting one person can change the outcome. Had we known the mafia had a recruiting power, our final decision would obviously have been different.

Well good game TUF, like I said, it was pretty fun. Just wish mafia wasnt able to get 4 extra night kills by getting the right post number a single time.
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5/31/2012 9:08:59 PM
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I'm so bad at convincing. I had hoped my death would prove that town needed to get off of medic and onto bluesteel, but it never happened. Good game TUF.
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5/31/2012 9:20:06 PM
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I agree that BlackVoid and bluesteel played very well. bluesteel (when he was town) was posting some of the best analysis I've seen, and BV was not bad either.

On my part, I'm not sure if protecting BV was the right decision, but I felt he was town throughout and his analysis would be extremely beneficial. I'm also still really upset about getting mislynched (it seems like it happens every game). I thought I had pointed out exactly why a mislynch on me made no sense (TUF giving Logic information about a 1x universal protect), so I lost a lot of respect for the people pushing for a lynch on me (particularly LK).

At the end, I don't understand why town lynched Logic. It was clear either vmpire or bluesteel2 should have been lynched (since it was LYLO). I also really think actual results and behaviors should trump mod psychology in every situation, so I'm surprised mod psychology won the day for mafia.
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5/31/2012 9:30:51 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/31/2012 9:09:44 PM, BlackVoid wrote:
Explain Medic vs Logic plz.

Lol yeah that.

Medic's role does what it says it does.

That said so did logics.

The way I saw it (besides the fact that role tripling a role copier being EXTREMELY OP) was this.

Medic's ability works on a players visiting roles. And that it did. Logic recieved 3 doc's, and 3 role cops, as those were his visiting role for the night. His role copy ability was a passive role. Medic used the multiply ability on his visiting roles anyways. Anyways, there was a universal protection that night, thus the doctors didn't matter as I informed Logic.

Anyways, I understood the confusion. Wanted to just post in your Role Pm the answer to this, but I knew that would be really unfair to the mafia. Anyways, in your situation I would have probably lynched medic too, so I don't blame you. There was a lot of confusing stuff in this game thats for sure.
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5/31/2012 9:34:24 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/31/2012 9:07:40 PM, BlackVoid wrote:
At 5/31/2012 9:02:07 PM, TUF wrote:
At 5/31/2012 8:59:50 PM, BlackVoid wrote:
Who was Rob?

Me! MWAHAHA.

JK. It was royal.

Well Royal died DP4, so why did the OPs continue to imply that Rob was alive? That was what I based half my decision off of on DP8, that Rob was alive and that you wouldnt give it to vamp or Jordan.

Because Her characters name was rob. She wasn't the store owner rob though (he wasn't even a player).

Anyway, i thought the game was fun for the most part, but with all the graveyard manipulation and recruitments, it made it really hard to figure out who to lynch late-game.

Yeah despite the manipulation tools mafia were given, you guys still did awesome. You pretty much guessed the roles were fake, something I did not expect.

Town was dominating early, but like we saw, just recruiting one person can change the outcome. Had we known the mafia had a recruiting power, our final decision would obviously have been different.

I remain the town did pretty awesome throughout the game. The town's loss, was not nearly attributed to poor playing, except maybe that last DP.

Well good game TUF, like I said, it was pretty fun. Just wish mafia wasnt able to get 4 extra night kills by getting the right post number a single time.

Yeah the point was to kinda over power the mafia. Anyways, if I didn't give the mafia the extra night kill, we would be in DP13 by now, with how many players we had left lol.
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5/31/2012 9:38:00 PM
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Sorry about lynching you FT. I knew that you were town towards the very end, but I just simply did not want to prolong the DP and I figured your death would give town a lot of information so I just kind of went with it.
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5/31/2012 9:39:14 PM
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Why did my Truth Serum not work on BS?
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5/31/2012 9:40:08 PM
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At 5/31/2012 9:39:14 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Why did my Truth Serum not work on BS?

It did work. He told the truth.

He said: "The role PM TUF sent me was ____________" which was true.
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5/31/2012 9:40:50 PM
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At 5/31/2012 9:40:08 PM, Hardcore.Pwnography wrote:
At 5/31/2012 9:39:14 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Why did my Truth Serum not work on BS?

It did work. He told the truth.

He said: "The role PM TUF sent me was ____________" which was true.

He said it said "You win with the Town."

That was a lie.
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5/31/2012 9:41:12 PM
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At 5/31/2012 9:39:14 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Why did my Truth Serum not work on BS?

It did work, read the OP.
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5/31/2012 9:41:55 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/31/2012 9:40:50 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 5/31/2012 9:40:08 PM, Hardcore.Pwnography wrote:
At 5/31/2012 9:39:14 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Why did my Truth Serum not work on BS?

It did work. He told the truth.

He said: "The role PM TUF sent me was ____________" which was true.

He said it said "You win with the Town."

That was a lie.

The ORIGINAL PM, when he was town. He didn't get a new PM when he was Mafia
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5/31/2012 9:42:02 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/24/2012 10:15:28 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 5/24/2012 7:33:57 PM, bluesteel wrote:
well, it looks like i'm being pressured to claim. i don't want to hold up the game, although i was hoping mafia would target me if i could manage not to claim, but i doubted that would happen for long.

Here's a summary of my role pm:

I'm Phil from pet care. Because I'm disgruntled, if someone gets me fired, I take them down too, thus I'm the "Vengeful PGO." If I'm night killed, the person who killed me dies as well. I win with the town associates

Ok, so BS is in the clear, unless TUF missed this.
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5/31/2012 9:42:31 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/31/2012 9:40:50 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 5/31/2012 9:40:08 PM, Hardcore.Pwnography wrote:
At 5/31/2012 9:39:14 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Why did my Truth Serum not work on BS?

It did work. He told the truth.

He said: "The role PM TUF sent me was ____________" which was true.

He said it said "You win with the Town."

That was a lie.

The role PM he orginally recieved did say that though.

He didn't make a definitive statement saying "I win with the town"

He said I recieved a role pm from TUF saying "blah blah blah I win with the town"
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