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Mafia Puzzler - Super Saint!

drafterman
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6/20/2012 12:50:57 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Ok, here is the scenario:

1. Vanilla Townie
2. Super Saint (Townie who kills whoever hammers him; Lynch Bomb)
3. Mafia Goon

How does this game play out? How would you play if you were any of the given roles? It's LYLO, so you have to lynch.
caveat
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6/20/2012 12:56:20 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Make everyone put their vote on themselves.
There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss. " Clearly, it is this second part, the missing, which presents the difficulties.
blackhawk1331
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6/20/2012 12:57:54 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I'd make one of the other two players hammer the other. If I was vanilla. That way either the saint's hammering the goon or the goon's hamering the saint. If I was goon, I'd refuse to hammer. If I was the saint, I'd either try to get the goon to fake claim saint or I'd flip a coin.
Because you said it was a waste, numb nuts. - Drafter

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drafterman
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6/20/2012 1:00:46 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/20/2012 12:57:54 PM, blackhawk1331 wrote:
I'd make one of the other two players hammer the other. If I was vanilla. That way either the saint's hammering the goon or the goon's hamering the saint. If I was goon, I'd refuse to hammer. If I was the saint, I'd either try to get the goon to fake claim saint or I'd flip a coin.

Interesting. Most of the strategies I'm coming up with result in 50/50 chance of winning. I suppose that's the sign of a balanced set-up, but I'm wondering if there is a way of increasing it for either side. What's the Nash Equilibrium here?
caveat
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6/20/2012 1:02:01 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Gauge reactions? This way you have some behaviour to go on rather than baseless voting. After thinking about it, everyone should comply. I'd think mafia would be the most skeptical and/or last to do so. The Saint would do so in a heartbeat and the townie should realize it's 50/50 regardless if mafia hammers.
There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss. " Clearly, it is this second part, the missing, which presents the difficulties.
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6/20/2012 1:04:35 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/20/2012 1:04:03 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 6/20/2012 1:02:32 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
Let's try it out. Now.

1. F-16
2. Airmax
3.
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6/20/2012 1:05:17 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/20/2012 1:04:35 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 6/20/2012 1:04:03 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 6/20/2012 1:02:32 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
Let's try it out. Now.

1. F-16
2. Airmax
3. cav
There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss. " Clearly, it is this second part, the missing, which presents the difficulties.
drafterman
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6/20/2012 1:05:29 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/20/2012 1:02:01 PM, caveat wrote:
Gauge reactions? This way you have some behaviour to go on rather than baseless voting. After thinking about it, everyone should comply. I'd think mafia would be the most skeptical and/or last to do so. The Saint would do so in a heartbeat and the townie should realize it's 50/50 regardless if mafia hammers.

True. And that might work for people unfamiliar with the scenario, catching them off guard. Seems like this would have diminishing returns as self-voting becomes SOP and the mafia stop hestitating.
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6/20/2012 1:06:37 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/20/2012 1:05:29 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 6/20/2012 1:02:01 PM, caveat wrote:
Gauge reactions? This way you have some behaviour to go on rather than baseless voting. After thinking about it, everyone should comply. I'd think mafia would be the most skeptical and/or last to do so. The Saint would do so in a heartbeat and the townie should realize it's 50/50 regardless if mafia hammers.

True. And that might work for people unfamiliar with the scenario, catching them off guard. Seems like this would have diminishing returns as self-voting becomes SOP and the mafia stop hestitating.

Yep. Once this format is understood, Mafia will claim Vanilla and Saint is cleared. Then it's 50/50.
There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss. " Clearly, it is this second part, the missing, which presents the difficulties.
drafterman
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6/20/2012 1:06:46 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/20/2012 1:05:17 PM, caveat wrote:
At 6/20/2012 1:04:35 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 6/20/2012 1:04:03 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 6/20/2012 1:02:32 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
Let's try it out. Now.

1. F-16
2. Airmax
3. cav

Assignments are out. Ready?GO!
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6/20/2012 1:08:11 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Vanilla, I am.
There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss. " Clearly, it is this second part, the missing, which presents the difficulties.
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6/20/2012 1:08:48 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/20/2012 1:08:19 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 6/20/2012 1:07:57 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
hmm

I win with the town

/facepalm

hehe just wanted to post first
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6/20/2012 1:08:54 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I am Don Vito Scaletta.
There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss. " Clearly, it is this second part, the missing, which presents the difficulties.
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6/20/2012 1:09:14 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/20/2012 1:08:48 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 6/20/2012 1:08:19 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 6/20/2012 1:07:57 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
hmm

I win with the town

/facepalm

hehe just wanted to post first

BUT YOU FAILED!!!!
There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss. " Clearly, it is this second part, the missing, which presents the difficulties.
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6/20/2012 1:09:19 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/20/2012 1:08:25 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
I win with the town as well. Role claim Airmax?

so are you CCing vanilla or claiming SS?
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caveat
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6/20/2012 1:09:56 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
NT F-28374. VTL F-104987 nac
There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss. " Clearly, it is this second part, the missing, which presents the difficulties.
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6/20/2012 1:10:21 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/20/2012 1:09:14 PM, caveat wrote:
At 6/20/2012 1:08:48 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 6/20/2012 1:08:19 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 6/20/2012 1:07:57 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
hmm

I win with the town

/facepalm

hehe just wanted to post first

BUT YOU FAILED!!!!

Oh nevermind...
There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss. " Clearly, it is this second part, the missing, which presents the difficulties.
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6/20/2012 1:10:43 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/20/2012 1:10:16 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
Unvote VTL Airmax

So you aren't CCing anymore? why change your vote if you know he's not vanilla?
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6/20/2012 1:11:30 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/20/2012 1:10:16 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
Unvote VTL Airmax

This makes no sense. Saint won't hammer himself and if I hammer, town loses. Scumbag!
There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss. " Clearly, it is this second part, the missing, which presents the difficulties.
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6/20/2012 1:12:11 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/20/2012 1:11:02 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
Now Caveat has to hammer or he loses.

Caveat is the mafia since he claimed my role.

But in fact, you're claiming mine :(
There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss. " Clearly, it is this second part, the missing, which presents the difficulties.