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1st Promethian Assembly - Day 1

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8/5/2012 7:48:21 PM
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The Speaker of the Promethian Assembly ascends the rostrum and gavels the Assembly to order.

SPEAKER: This Assembly will come to order. This Assembly will come to order. The Assembly is now in session. Please stand for a moment of silent reflection.

A moment of silent reflection is observed.

SPEAKER: We will begin with morning hour General Speeches. Any member who wishes to speak may speak for up to 2000 characters, with the exception of Party Leaders, who may speak for up to 4000 characters. In accordance with Assembly rules, all members who wish to speak must notify the chair of their request, and General Speeches will cease after 6 speakers have spoken.

[OOC: YOU MUST REQUEST TO SPEAK IN THE SPEAKER'S CHAIR PM, AND BE RECOGNIZED IN THE FORUM BEFORE SPEAKING!]
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8/5/2012 8:05:38 PM
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SPEAKER: The Chair recognizes Rep. Brooks.
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8/5/2012 8:23:03 PM
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Thank you Mr. Speaker,

I'd like to take the opportunity to welcome my fellow assemblymen, it is good to see that all of you are here in good health today. Unfortunately the same cannot be said for the millions of Promethians that cannot afford health care in our great nation. Every time this assembly convenes we create thousands of pages of new regulations for medical providers and the medical industry, and we commit an ever expanding sum of money toward subsidies for health care.

Still we haven't even made a dent in the cost of health care, and more people find that they cannot afford health care every day. Maybe this is just wishful thinking, but I want this session to be the session where we said no more; I want this to be the session where we stop executing a failed policy, and chart a new course.

It is our duty as representatives to be objective and to consider all the facts, so we must keep an open mind. Sometimes the proper solution to a problem is counter-intuitive. Perhaps the problem with health care isn't that government is not doing enough, but that government is doing too much. Perhaps prices keep rising to soak up ever increasing subsidies from government, and perhaps if those subsidies didn't exist prices would go down as the invisible hand took the place of the velvet fist of government.

If these things are proved to be true, it is your duty to this great nation to act upon those truths. I will end my speech by quoting a man far greater than I, "insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting different results."

Thank you Mr. Speaker, I yield the floor back to you.
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8/5/2012 8:26:37 PM
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SPEAKER: The gentleman from the 6th yields back. The gentleman from the 9th is recognized [LK].
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8/5/2012 8:48:15 PM
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I would like to thank the Speaker and the Promethian Assembly for giving me the permission to speak today. I welcome all of you to the Assembly floor and hope that through productive cooperation and inevitable debating, we will manage to reach agreements that will not only benefit the general economic, political, and social well-being of our nation, but also the chances that we will get re-elected.

It is my duty here to talk to you, as the leader of the Libertarian Party, about some of the most pressing and imperative issues affecting both the sentiment within the legislature and in the country abroad. One such issue that cannot afford further missteps and useless pondering is the issue of the minimum wage. I recognize that many simply decide to be conformist to the sentiment expressed around the country, but that can no longer be the case.

Day by day, unemployed individuals that lack the proper means of supporting themselves are victimized by an idealogical law, that not only makes it so that they cannot alleviate their own hardships, but as a result not be able to raise their children in a proper household. I'm sure that my colourful adjectives and previous mention already cemented the concept in your mind: minimum wage. It's troubling to think that such a masterfully crafted economically illiterate piece of legislation can cause such negative effects throughout the country. Whether it be teenage unemployment or a lack of opportunities for the poor, this law places inimical consequences on the way we act.

I hope and urge that throughout this day we can deal with some of the most pressing issues in a time-efficient manner, among which lies the aforementioned minimum wage and the healthcare reform that Assembly Member MrBrooks proposed.

Ladies and Gentlmen, liberal or conservative, socialist or libertarian, I would like to remind you all that we all share one common goal in mind: making Promethia prosper. No matter the demeanour expressed in our assembly, we all seek truth, knowledge, and prosperity for the glorious nation of Promethia. Live long and prosper.

I now hand the floor over to Assembly Member Contra.

Thank you.
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8/6/2012 10:17:26 AM
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I thank contra, as the speaker was out at this time, for letting me speak today. I hope everyone is ready and in good health for the debating on these controversial issues.

Today I shall speak about healthcare. Our system is broken. But I differ from many on how to fix it. Too combat the problem less government, not more, is required. Many believe more government would be effective. The data they cite is cross sectional data comparing us to other countries. This is flawed as we have an unhealthy populace that overused the system and, therefore, raises cost. These comparisons are unfair. As stated before, high healthcare costs are due to overuse. Using a universal system only makes it worse. When one thinks something is "free" they attempt to use it more. Any saving due to single payer is temporary, and will lead to spiraling administrative costs.

Others say single payer is free and would save costs to the people. A person with insurance has ~16,000 dollars in healthcare costs. The employer pays $9,000, and the employee pays ~7,000 dollars on premiums and co-pays. This, on average, is 6% of total income. In the UK, however, they pay 11% of their income too healthcare. More government doesn't seem to get the job done.

As we can see, the idea of government fixing healthcare problems is near idiotic. We need less government managed care, our current system, but more privatization. Reduce mandates and regulation to lower costs. Repeal large government healthcare programs.

Government got us into this mess, that's a fact. Government will not get us out, that is also a fact. Less regulation and promoting insurance competition will and can get us out of this trouble.

Thank you all, I now hand the floor over to contra who delayed his speech.
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8/6/2012 3:13:48 PM
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SPEAKER: The gentleman from the 4th yields back. The Chair recognizes the gentleman from the 2nd [Contra].
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8/7/2012 12:19:20 AM
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I thank the Speaker and the Assembly for their willingness to let me speak.

To enhance our Promethia's competitiveness will need bold action. My plan builds upon bipartisan ideas that would create a stronger future for our country, with a more skilled workforce, cleaner energy, and globally competitive corporate tax rates.

First, we must rebuild our infrastructure. A robust infrastructure will create a strong foundation from which the free market can flourish. In addition to an economy with well paying jobs, higher innovation, and equal opportunity, it will create a 21st century foundation for our nation to flourish.

We must make higher education affordable. This will create a skilled and vibrant workforce that will make us have broad prosperity and greater freedom. Equal opportunity will allow all of our citizens to strive to become their best, knowing that where they started does not matter as long as their willing to work hard, and allowing all citizens the ability to fulfill their dreams.

We must facilitate the future of clean renewable energy. This would increase our energy independence and improve our national security. In addition to millions of well paying jobs and a healthy environment, we would have a healthier population and be able to increase our exports. Eternal energy is the future, and investing in it will produce high dividends for all of us.

Finally, we must cut our corporate taxes. It would make all businesses pay their fair share so our infrastructure and opportunities are kept in check for all of us. It would level the playing field between small business and big businesses. And it would cut costs for consumers. Also, it would, as well as the other components mentioned, make Promethia a very attractive place for investment, resulting in economic growth, equal opportunity, a robust infrastructure, cleaner energy, fair taxes, and ultimately — peace and prosperity.

I await any health care legislation that might roll out in the coming days.
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8/7/2012 8:18:02 AM
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I thank the Speaker and the Assembly for allowing me to speak today.

Members of the Assembly have already proposed many good laws and I am sure they will help increasing the prosperity of our lovely nation.

Sadly a rich and powerful nation does not alway mean rich citizens. Rome was rich and powerful, but many of it citizens lived in slave like conditions. If we remove the minimum wages, as I strongly support that we do, we must also increase the workers ability to unionize.

We already have the free choise of union, but all to often we hear about employers who distrubt this right, by legal or illegal means. This distrubtion can be hard to counter or prove, so I propose that we make the union election process more streamlined and faster. So that employers have a harder time to distrubt and stall citizen who make use of their right of choise.

Again I thank the Speaker for this chance to speak and now I hand over the floor to the next speaker.
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8/7/2012 8:54:54 AM
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SPEAKER: Seeing no further speakers, General Speeches will come to a close. *Gavel sounds* We're now on our first order of business, passage and deliverance of Assembly Resolution 1 to the Council.

The Chair recognizes any member who wishes to move the motion.
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8/7/2012 9:25:32 AM
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SPEAKER: Without objection, the Clerk will report the title.

CLERK: Assembly Resolution 1, A Resolution to Eliminate the Minimum Wage.

SPEAKER: The Chair will now entertain speakers on the question "Will the Assembly pass Assembly Resolution 1 and immediately deliver it to the Council?" Any member who wishes to speak may do so for up to one full post. Please message your request to speak to the Speaker's Chair. Speakers will be recognized in order of request.

The Chair will also entertain any secondary motions to amend the resolution, or motions to call the question.
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8/7/2012 11:21:21 AM
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SPEAKER: The Clerk will read a communication to the Assembly.

CLERK: To the Honorable the Speaker of the Promethian Assembly: effective today, the Honorable drafterman is hereby resigned from the Promethian Assembly. Signed, the Office of the Honorable drafterman.

SPEAKER: In accordance with Assembly rules, it is the duty of the Chair to inform the Assembly that, following the resignation of the Honorable Representative, the whole of the Assembly stands at 14. *gavel sounds*

We now move back to speeches on AR.1.
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8/7/2012 12:56:19 PM
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SPEAKER: It has been moved that the previous question be immediately called. Immediate previous question is a motion to bypass all debate on the question and take up the question of passage and deliverance to the Council.

Any speakers on the question "Will the Assembly call the previous question on AR.1 with no further debate?" will be recognized now.
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8/7/2012 2:03:34 PM
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At 8/7/2012 12:56:19 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
SPEAKER: It has been moved that the previous question be immediately called. Immediate previous question is a motion to bypass all debate on the question and take up the question of passage and deliverance to the Council.

Any speakers on the question "Will the Assembly call the previous question on AR.1 with no further debate?" will be recognized now.

I second that.
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8/7/2012 2:50:57 PM
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At 8/7/2012 2:03:34 PM, Contra wrote:
At 8/7/2012 12:56:19 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
SPEAKER: It has been moved that the previous question be immediately called. Immediate previous question is a motion to bypass all debate on the question and take up the question of passage and deliverance to the Council.

Any speakers on the question "Will the Assembly call the previous question on AR.1 with no further debate?" will be recognized now.

I second that.

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8/7/2012 3:24:00 PM
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SPEAKER: The Chair reminds the Assembly that seconds are not necessary for any motion.

With no objections to the motion to call the question, by unanimous consent it passes. *Gavel sounds*

Being so ordered, the question will be laid before the Assembly. The question laid before the Assembly is: "Will the Assembly pass Assembly Resolution 1 and immediately deliver it to the Council?" Assemblymen, please cast your votes via the Electronic Voting System. The Chair reminds the Assembly that a 3/5 majority is needed for the motion to pass AR.1 to be agreed to.

The Clerk will open the roll.
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8/7/2012 9:24:26 PM
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SPEAKER: With nearly all Assemblymen having voted, and 5 hours having elapsed, the Clerk will close the roll.

The vote standing at 11 ayes, 2 nays, and 0 abstentions, the motion is agreed to, AR.1 is passed and is in the Council. *Gavel sounds*

We are now on the next order of business, AB.1. The Chair will now entertain any motions in regards to the aforementioned bill.
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8/7/2012 9:30:53 PM
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At 8/7/2012 9:27:37 PM, daytonanerd wrote:
I move to pass Assembly Bill 1

Which one is that?
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8/7/2012 9:32:59 PM
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At 8/7/2012 9:30:53 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 8/7/2012 9:27:37 PM, daytonanerd wrote:
I move to pass Assembly Bill 1

Which one is that?

Read the Bill Board.
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8/7/2012 9:35:45 PM
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SPEAKER: Without objection, the Clerk will report the title.

CLERK: Assembly Bill 1, Enhance Our Competitiveness Act.

SPEAKER
: The Chair will now entertain speakers on the question "Will the Assembly pass Assembly Bill 1 and immediately deliver it to the Council?" Any member who wishes to speak may do so for up to one full post.

The Chair will also entertain any secondary motions to amend the resolution, or motions to call the question.
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8/7/2012 9:37:25 PM
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I move to amend the House Bill 1 by the following;

1. Section 2 (2) is amended by deleting the reference to full tax credit for green energy jobs;

2. Section 2 (4) refers to 'federal student loans';

3. Section 2 (1) is listed as:

An infrastructure bank be created with $1.5 trillion in government initial investments to rebuild and modernize Promethia, by restoring schools; rebuilding roads, bridges, and other transportation infrastructure; and investing in scientific research.
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"Americans are better off in a dynamic, free-enterprise-based economy that fosters economic growth, opportunity and upward mobility." - Paul Ryan
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8/7/2012 9:38:38 PM
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At 8/7/2012 9:37:25 PM, Contra wrote:
I move to amend the House Bill 1 by the following;

1. Section 2 (2) is amended by deleting the reference to full tax credit for green energy jobs;

2. Section 2 (4) refers to 'federal student loans';

3. Section 2 (1) is listed as:

An infrastructure bank be created with $1.5 trillion in government initial investments to rebuild and modernize Promethia, by restoring schools; rebuilding roads, bridges, and other transportation infrastructure; and investing in scientific research.

I second this motion.
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8/7/2012 9:39:40 PM
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SPEAKER: A motion to amend has been moved. If there is not sufficient objection, the motion will pass by unanimous consent. The Chair will entertain speakers on the motion to amend.
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8/7/2012 9:41:06 PM
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At 8/7/2012 9:39:40 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
SPEAKER: A motion to amend has been moved. If there is not sufficient objection, the motion will pass by unanimous consent. The Chair will entertain speakers on the motion to amend.

My proposed amendments will make it more likely to pass a Libertarian-dominated assembly, and will still result in the initial objectives that were in this piece of legislation.
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"Americans are better off in a dynamic, free-enterprise-based economy that fosters economic growth, opportunity and upward mobility." - Paul Ryan
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8/7/2012 9:44:06 PM
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Bad bill is bad. I would support the reformation of the areas to why Assembly Member Contra proposes shelling trillions of government dollars to, but simply giving them a free check, all the while creating and propping up countless bureaucracies is idiotic at best. Throwing money at something, especially the educational system (as we've seen in the past few decades) isn't going to work; we need reform the undermines the basis of the non-functional status quo, and this bill does not provide that.

Also, we didn't just end a nuclear war- there's nothing to "rebuild."
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8/7/2012 9:45:07 PM
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At 8/7/2012 9:44:06 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Bad bill is bad. I would support the reformation of the areas to why Assembly Member Contra proposes shelling trillions of government dollars to, but simply giving them a free check, all the while creating and propping up countless bureaucracies is idiotic at best. Throwing money at something, especially the educational system (as we've seen in the past few decades) isn't going to work; we need reform the undermines the basis of the non-functional status quo, and this bill does not provide that.

Also, we didn't just end a nuclear war- there's nothing to "rebuild."

How about take out the education part, and someone else in the future can propose a bill towards Progressive School vouchers instead.
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"Americans are better off in a dynamic, free-enterprise-based economy that fosters economic growth, opportunity and upward mobility." - Paul Ryan