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Mestari
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8/9/2012 10:15:30 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Dead last DP.

Logic - Past/Future: You are MONOPOLY. The best way to control the market is to be the market. This is the essence of big business. Why compete when you can eliminate the competition? Complete and total market take-over is the only way to make a profit, and you understand this. You are the DESIGNATED KILLER. Every night you may choose one target to kill. As your goal is to eliminate your target's existence without a trace, you are granted a 1x JANITOR. You win with the mafia.

Nobody died in the night.

Living Players

1. Budda
2. Apollo
3. Zaradi
4. HCP
5. West
6. Bossy
7. VK
8. Blue

With 8 players remaining it takes 5 votes to lynch.
Rules of Mafia

1. Mestari is never third party.
2. If Mestari claims an intricate and page long TP role, he's telling the truth.
3. Mestari always jointly wins with the town.
3b. If he doesn't he's mafia.
3c. If he was mafia you wouldn't suspect him in the first place.
4. If you lynch Mestari you will lose because he will be the third party Doctor or some other townie power role.
5. DP1 lynches are good.
6. The answer is always no.
Zaradi
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8/9/2012 10:42:23 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Johnny was lynched in the other Day phase. He was MONEY, and was third-party. His win condition was that either he or someone else (mod-blanked out) had to survive to the end of the game.
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8/9/2012 10:43:10 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
DEAD
Drafterman - Organized Religion - PAST:Doctor - FUT:???? - CULT
johnny - Money - PAST:Vanilla - FUT:Commuter - THIRD PARTY
Logic - Monopoly - PAST/FUT:Designated Killer, 1x Janitor - MAFIA

ROLE CLAIMED
Zaradi - Ingenuity - BOTH:Exist in both Time States
BH - Happiness - PAST:???? - FUT:Miller
westernmarch - ???? - PAST:1x Governor - FUT:????
Bluesteel - ???? - PAST:Day Vig - FUT:????
Vmpire - Conspiracy - PAST:???? - FUT:Nexus
Drafter(2)(Medic) - Seduction - PAST:Miller - FUT:????

CHARACTER CLAIMED
OE - Paranoia - PAST:???? - FUT:????
VK - Curiosity - PAST:???? - FUT:????
IFH - Luck - PAST:???? - FUT:????
TUF - Digital Technology - PAST:N/A - FUT:????
caveat - Communication - PAST:???? - FUT:????
F-16 - Enthusiasm - PAST:???? - FUT:????

UNCLAIMED
Bossy
FT
Budda
Apollo
HCP

Stolen from future DP. Accidentally clicked wrong one. Ah well.
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8/9/2012 10:48:57 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Does anyone have results or some sort of lead? If not, we may have to just go to random pressure.
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8/9/2012 10:49:09 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
DEAD
Drafterman - Organized Religion - PAST:Doctor - FUT:???? - CULT
johnny - Money - PAST:Vanilla - FUT:Commuter - THIRD PARTY
Logic - Monopoly - PAST/FUT:Designated Killer, 1x Janitor - MAFIA

ROLE CLAIMED
Zaradi - Ingenuity - BOTH:Exist in both Time States
BH - Happiness - PAST:???? - FUT:Miller
westernmarch - ???? - PAST:1x Governor - FUT:????
Bluesteel - ???? - PAST:Day Vig - FUT:????
Vmpire - Conspiracy - PAST:???? - FUT:Nexus
Drafter(2)(Medic) - Seduction - PAST:Miller - FUT:????
Apollo - Loyalty - Vanilla
HCP - Community - Cop

CHARACTER CLAIMED
OE - Paranoia - PAST:???? - FUT:????
VK - Curiosity - PAST:???? - FUT:????
IFH - Luck - PAST:???? - FUT:????
TUF - Digital Technology - PAST:N/A - FUT:????
caveat - Communication - PAST:???? - FUT:????
F-16 - Enthusiasm - PAST:???? - FUT:????

UNCLAIMED
Bossy
FT
Budda
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8/9/2012 10:49:55 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/9/2012 10:48:57 PM, Zaradi wrote:
Does anyone have results or some sort of lead? If not, we may have to just go to random pressure.

VTL FT for saying he thought LoR was town last DP.
For a claim.
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8/9/2012 10:54:10 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/9/2012 10:49:55 PM, Apollo.11 wrote:
At 8/9/2012 10:48:57 PM, Zaradi wrote:
Does anyone have results or some sort of lead? If not, we may have to just go to random pressure.

VTL FT for saying he thought LoR was town last DP.
For a claim.

Link?
But unless someone comes up with anything better, I say this is our best bet .-.
VTL FT for a claim.
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8/9/2012 10:57:44 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
DP1:
1. Caveat
2. Drafterman
3. Budda
4. Johnny
5. Apollo
6. Bluesteel
7. Medic
8. Logic
9. Zaradi
10. HCP
11. West

DP2:
1. Budda
2. Apollo
3. Medic
4. Logic
5. Zaradi
6. HCP
7. West
8. OneElephant
9. FT
10. F-16
11. Bossy

DP3:
1. Budda
2. Apollo
3. Zaradi
4. HCP
5. West
6. Bossy
7. VK
8. Blue

People who have not commuted (past players)
1. Budda
2. Apollo
3. Zaradi (by default)
4. HCP
5. West
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8/9/2012 10:58:57 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/8/2012 3:10:22 PM, FourTrouble wrote:
I already said, I have a gut-feeling about Logic being town. I doubt he would suggest his plan to VTNL if he were mafia. If I'm not mistaken, then idea Logic had in mind is that we VTNL and use our night-actions while the other DP continues going, and that way, we can stall a night-kill while getting free investigations. It's suicide for the mafia to suggest something like that. It reminds me of Wal-Mart, where Logic suggested a crazy idea that would basically break the game and win it for town. I've only ever seen Logic do that as town. When he's mafia, his behavior is really different - see Action Shows for an example.

I tend to focus more on behaviors than results, especially in recent games. If you guys decide to lynch Logic, nothing I can do about it. I'm just saying, I don't support the lynch.
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8/9/2012 11:00:11 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/9/2012 10:59:43 PM, Zaradi wrote:
No more votes on FT. Don't want an accidental mislynch.

He's not in our DP. UNvote.
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8/9/2012 11:01:00 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/9/2012 10:58:57 PM, Apollo.11 wrote:
At 8/8/2012 3:10:22 PM, FourTrouble wrote:
I already said, I have a gut-feeling about Logic being town. I doubt he would suggest his plan to VTNL if he were mafia. If I'm not mistaken, then idea Logic had in mind is that we VTNL and use our night-actions while the other DP continues going, and that way, we can stall a night-kill while getting free investigations. It's suicide for the mafia to suggest something like that. It reminds me of Wal-Mart, where Logic suggested a crazy idea that would basically break the game and win it for town. I've only ever seen Logic do that as town. When he's mafia, his behavior is really different - see Action Shows for an example.

I tend to focus more on behaviors than results, especially in recent games. If you guys decide to lynch Logic, nothing I can do about it. I'm just saying, I don't support the lynch.

Am I the only one who thinks that sounds like him trying to defend LoR without looking like he's buddying with LoR?
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8/9/2012 11:01:02 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/9/2012 10:58:57 PM, Apollo.11 wrote:
At 8/8/2012 3:10:22 PM, FourTrouble wrote:
I already said, I have a gut-feeling about Logic being town. I doubt he would suggest his plan to VTNL if he were mafia. If I'm not mistaken, then idea Logic had in mind is that we VTNL and use our night-actions while the other DP continues going, and that way, we can stall a night-kill while getting free investigations. It's suicide for the mafia to suggest something like that. It reminds me of Wal-Mart, where Logic suggested a crazy idea that would basically break the game and win it for town. I've only ever seen Logic do that as town. When he's mafia, his behavior is really different - see Action Shows for an example.

I tend to focus more on behaviors than results, especially in recent games. If you guys decide to lynch Logic, nothing I can do about it. I'm just saying, I don't support the lynch.

C/P this to the other DP, Zaradi. Thanks.
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8/9/2012 11:01:27 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/9/2012 11:01:00 PM, Zaradi wrote:
At 8/9/2012 10:58:57 PM, Apollo.11 wrote:
At 8/8/2012 3:10:22 PM, FourTrouble wrote:
I already said, I have a gut-feeling about Logic being town. I doubt he would suggest his plan to VTNL if he were mafia. If I'm not mistaken, then idea Logic had in mind is that we VTNL and use our night-actions while the other DP continues going, and that way, we can stall a night-kill while getting free investigations. It's suicide for the mafia to suggest something like that. It reminds me of Wal-Mart, where Logic suggested a crazy idea that would basically break the game and win it for town. I've only ever seen Logic do that as town. When he's mafia, his behavior is really different - see Action Shows for an example.

I tend to focus more on behaviors than results, especially in recent games. If you guys decide to lynch Logic, nothing I can do about it. I'm just saying, I don't support the lynch.

Am I the only one who thinks that sounds like him trying to defend LoR without looking like he's buddying with LoR?

That's why I posted it.
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8/9/2012 11:01:34 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
So a mafia and a TP down, freakin sweet.

VTL Fourtrouble

Claimed cop last DP when HcP guiltied Logic. Also defended him heavily and pushed for a VTNL.
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"You were the moon all this time, and he was always there to make you shine."

"Was he the sun?"

"No honey, he was the darkness"

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8/9/2012 11:04:16 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/9/2012 11:01:34 PM, Buddamoose wrote:
So a mafia and a TP down, freakin sweet.

VTL Fourtrouble

Claimed cop last DP when HcP guiltied Logic. Also defended him heavily and pushed for a VTNL.

He's not in this DP derp. .-.
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8/9/2012 11:05:36 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Unvote

Lol Apollo's right, not in the DP. Hahaha, he was so obviously going to get investigated after he defended Logic, and pushed so hard for a VTNL.

At least it seems obvious to me. Running scared perhaps :P

Zaradi! Tell the future DP!
"Reality is an illusion created due to a lack of alcohol"
-Airmax1227

"You were the moon all this time, and he was always there to make you shine."

"Was he the sun?"

"No honey, he was the darkness"

-Kazekirion
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8/9/2012 11:07:22 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/9/2012 11:05:36 PM, Buddamoose wrote:
Unvote

Lol Apollo's right, not in the DP. Hahaha, he was so obviously going to get investigated after he defended Logic, and pushed so hard for a VTNL.

At least it seems obvious to me. Running scared perhaps :P

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I have!
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8/9/2012 11:07:44 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/9/2012 11:05:36 PM, Buddamoose wrote:
Unvote

Lol Apollo's right, not in the DP. Hahaha, he was so obviously going to get investigated after he defended Logic, and pushed so hard for a VTNL.

At least it seems obvious to me. Running scared perhaps :P

Zaradi! Tell the future DP!

lol. All 4 of us fail, especially me for starting it. Anyway, I might re-read the past DP's to see who, if anyone, buddied with Lor. Doesn't help that he's always inactive. But I'll try.
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8/9/2012 11:17:06 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/9/2012 11:07:22 PM, Zaradi wrote:
At 8/9/2012 11:05:36 PM, Buddamoose wrote:
Unvote

Lol Apollo's right, not in the DP. Hahaha, he was so obviously going to get investigated after he defended Logic, and pushed so hard for a VTNL.

At least it seems obvious to me. Running scared perhaps :P

Zaradi! Tell the future DP!

I have!

Excellent! By the way its interesting to note FT's theory last DP:

"I think the people who commuted on the first DP are more likely to be town than scum"

If he is mafia, I think he was attempting misdirection here, and get us to focus on those that werent commuting, as he followed it with:

The act of commuting tends to lock people into a weaker role, which is something the mafia is less likely to do this early in the game."

Based off this and upon the condition he flips mafia, I suggst we focus on those that commuted NP1.
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"Was he the sun?"

"No honey, he was the darkness"

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8/9/2012 11:18:51 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Bossy has commuted non-stop this entire time,

VTL Bossy for a claim

Im extremely confident that FT is scum, and am willing to base FOS's off his behavior and statements.
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8/9/2012 11:22:43 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
1. Logic stated Zaradi wasn't mafia somewhat out of nowhere:

At 8/7/2012 1:43:45 AM, Logic_on_rails wrote:
To be frank I don't think that Zaradi's revelation is that earth shattering. Chances are he's town or a powerful 3rd party, but he's very likely not Mafia in my opinion. Given that Mafia probably determined that Zaradi was in 2 DPs it's fine for him to say it, as he didn't actually divulge any additional role, should he have it.

2. Logic agreed with FT's logic and tried to push for a VTNL before even everyone had posted:

At 8/8/2012 2:36:02 AM, Logic_on_rails wrote:
An interesting situation.

The Mafia apparently didn't kill last night, which makes me inclined to think that a commuter was the target. Furthermore, as FT said this DP, commuting tends to imply a slightly weaker role as they thought that commuting was more beneficial than there role use.

2. FT tried to prevent the lynch of Logic and questioned HCP's cop results (Logic did the exact same thing with the exact same logic...funny how that works):

At 8/8/2012 2:55:04 PM, FourTrouble wrote:
@HCP

I received the cop role after I moved to the past, so I don't have any results yet. I don't like the idea of flat-out lynching Logic for a couple reasons. I honestly think Logic's plan to no lynch is really pro-town. I doubt mafia would suggest something that hurts them that much - it's practically suicide, as it gives the town a bunch of free investigations - so it wouldn't make much sense if Logic is mafia. When he's mafia, he tends to overpush on people and to make really vague posts that don't actually have any substance, neither of which he's doing here.

In terms of who he might help confirm as town (though it may be WIFOM):
1. West (VTL'ed for a claim DP1)
2. Bluesteel (Asked for his claim DP1)
3. F-16 (argued with him DP2)
4. Apollo (same as F-16)
5. HCP (obvious)
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8/9/2012 11:23:34 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/9/2012 10:58:57 PM, Apollo.11 wrote:
At 8/8/2012 3:10:22 PM, FourTrouble wrote:
I already said, I have a gut-feeling about Logic being town. I doubt he would suggest his plan to VTNL if he were mafia. If I'm not mistaken, then idea Logic had in mind is that we VTNL and use our night-actions while the other DP continues going, and that way, we can stall a night-kill while getting free investigations. It's suicide for the mafia to suggest something like that. It reminds me of Wal-Mart, where Logic suggested a crazy idea that would basically break the game and win it for town. I've only ever seen Logic do that as town. When he's mafia, his behavior is really different - see Action Shows for an example.

I tend to focus more on behaviors than results, especially in recent games. If you guys decide to lynch Logic, nothing I can do about it. I'm just saying, I don't support the lynch.
And this.
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8/9/2012 11:24:33 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Zaradi, can you C/P those quotes (or just the whole post if its easier for you) to the other DP. Thanks again. And make sure to include the part about you.
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8/9/2012 11:24:55 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/9/2012 11:22:43 PM, Apollo.11 wrote:
1. Logic stated Zaradi wasn't mafia somewhat out of nowhere:

At 8/7/2012 1:43:45 AM, Logic_on_rails wrote:
To be frank I don't think that Zaradi's revelation is that earth shattering. Chances are he's town or a powerful 3rd party, but he's very likely not Mafia in my opinion. Given that Mafia probably determined that Zaradi was in 2 DPs it's fine for him to say it, as he didn't actually divulge any additional role, should he have it.

Actually this one really isn't that scummy. Bluesteel was saying I shoudln't have claimed able to talk in Both DPs simultaneously, and it was mostly a reaction at my claim and what it could mean.
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8/9/2012 11:27:14 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/9/2012 11:24:55 PM, Zaradi wrote:
At 8/9/2012 11:22:43 PM, Apollo.11 wrote:
1. Logic stated Zaradi wasn't mafia somewhat out of nowhere:

At 8/7/2012 1:43:45 AM, Logic_on_rails wrote:
To be frank I don't think that Zaradi's revelation is that earth shattering. Chances are he's town or a powerful 3rd party, but he's very likely not Mafia in my opinion. Given that Mafia probably determined that Zaradi was in 2 DPs it's fine for him to say it, as he didn't actually divulge any additional role, should he have it.

Actually this one really isn't that scummy. Bluesteel was saying I shoudln't have claimed able to talk in Both DPs simultaneously, and it was mostly a reaction at my claim and what it could mean.

Let the other DP decide. Not enough to lynch you, though, at all.
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8/9/2012 11:30:20 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/9/2012 11:27:14 PM, Apollo.11 wrote:
At 8/9/2012 11:24:55 PM, Zaradi wrote:
At 8/9/2012 11:22:43 PM, Apollo.11 wrote:
1. Logic stated Zaradi wasn't mafia somewhat out of nowhere:

At 8/7/2012 1:43:45 AM, Logic_on_rails wrote:
To be frank I don't think that Zaradi's revelation is that earth shattering. Chances are he's town or a powerful 3rd party, but he's very likely not Mafia in my opinion. Given that Mafia probably determined that Zaradi was in 2 DPs it's fine for him to say it, as he didn't actually divulge any additional role, should he have it.

Actually this one really isn't that scummy. Bluesteel was saying I shoudln't have claimed able to talk in Both DPs simultaneously, and it was mostly a reaction at my claim and what it could mean.

Let the other DP decide. Not enough to lynch you, though, at all.

He wasn't pushing for a lynch on me.
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8/9/2012 11:31:51 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
About to be Burned

Bossy - 2/5 - Budda, West
Rules of Mafia

1. Mestari is never third party.
2. If Mestari claims an intricate and page long TP role, he's telling the truth.
3. Mestari always jointly wins with the town.
3b. If he doesn't he's mafia.
3c. If he was mafia you wouldn't suspect him in the first place.
4. If you lynch Mestari you will lose because he will be the third party Doctor or some other townie power role.
5. DP1 lynches are good.
6. The answer is always no.