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Beginner's Games: 11.2 DP1

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8/26/2012 6:03:42 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Introduction to Role Madness:

6.1 was a more traditional game, relying more on behavioral cues and tells. While good skills to have and develop, a majority of the games on DDO are considered to be "Role Madness" games. That is, everyone - or almost everyone - has some role which confers active or passive abilities. The details of your roles are explained in your role PM. If you have questions, please ask me or blackhawk in that PM and we will do our best to explain, without giving too much away.

In these games, the issue of information becomes paramount. Who do you target with your role? What do you do with the results? Will they help town? Will I get killed in response? Do I wait and get more information and risk being killed in the night or do I reveal my information now?

You will face these questions in countless Mafia games and, unfortunately, you will almost always have to answer them yourself. Trust no one but yourself.

1. MouthWash
2. IShallAnnoyYo
3. Jordan56
4. Zaradi
5. Apollo.11
6. JohnnyBoy
7. Airmax
8. Buddamoose
9. DaytonaNerd
10. Max233
11. RoyalPaladin.
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8/26/2012 7:55:46 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/26/2012 7:35:22 PM, ishallannoyyo wrote:
I have a feeling that the person starting a lynch on someone is kinda scummy. I just want a claim from Daytona.

Just because someone votes for someone else, it doesn't mean that they are pushing for their lynch. Your reasons are invalid and given that you are a noobier player, I would rather get your claim right now.
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8/26/2012 7:56:41 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/26/2012 7:35:22 PM, ishallannoyyo wrote:
I have a feeling that the person starting a lynch on someone is kinda scummy.
Lolololol. N00bs…
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8/26/2012 8:08:02 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
VTL Max for claim

Noob pressure*

*The general SOP (Standard operating procedure) for DDO mafia is that noobs (new players) should claim first. Here is an excellent debate between BlueSteel and Danielle explaining why this is generally accepted as the SOP.

http://www.debate.org...

There are 4 votes on Maxx right now, that should be enough pressure. (We wouldn't want mafia to hammer him, and kill a townie, if he is a townie.) So no more votes on Maxx please.

After we get Maxx's claim, lets get one more, for a total of 2. The reason for this is so that we don't give too much information to the mafia on DP1 (day phase 1), and allow them to NK (night kill) town power roles. So SOP on DP 1 is generally just get a couple of claims, and then we all VTNL (Vote to not lynch).
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8/26/2012 8:12:22 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Ishall and Maxx are the newest players so I believe the two of them should claim this DP...

It doesn't matter which order they claim so Ishall you should just go ahead and claim...

It does look pretty scummy to just delay the claim until after someone else in this circumstance..
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8/26/2012 8:15:07 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/26/2012 7:35:22 PM, ishallannoyyo wrote:
I have a feeling that the person starting a lynch on someone is kinda scummy. I just want a claim from Daytona.

This logic has never proven to be correct from what I can tell.. (unless we include all the games in which I voted first and just happened to be mafia, of which there were many)... Otherwise Daytona's vote is simple DDO mafia SOP... and someone has to be first...
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8/26/2012 8:22:15 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I actually don't believe that ishall does not know that we were just pushing for a claim. He has already played in a few games, including regular games. He should know what SOP is on DP1.
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8/26/2012 9:02:06 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I am the Jack-Of-All Trades. I'm allowed to vig once, doc once, and cop once. I win with town.

I am a noob, I don't spend enough time on this site.
Zaradi
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8/26/2012 10:36:41 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
http://ru.memegenerator.net...

This meme shall be the official meme of this beginner's series. Let me go over what just happened.

@ ishall:

Voting for someone does not automatically mean you intend to lynch them. That is why people put "VTL (insert name) for claim" or "VTL (insert name) for full/character/etc.". It becomes pretty clear once you know what to look for whether the person is pushing for a lynch or is just asking for a claim. This was a situation where it was fairly obvious he was asking for a claim.

Which is why we're all making fun of you for doing that.

Generally, if he's played a few regular games, he should have a fair enough grasp of SOP, but I don't blame him if he doesn't. I know even in a few of my first regular games I still didn't have the greatest grasp on SOP, and just kind of went along with everyone else. Although I never tried to go against the flow when I was a n00b, I don't blame him for trying.

If he was an experienced player, I'd probably FOS him right off the bat given the circumstances here. But since he's not, I have no idea what he's doing xD

But his claim of JOAT, in a game like this, is kind of iffy. Even one shots in a game like this may be a little overpowered if he gets lucky or even, lord help us, uses them correctly. We'll have to see how some other claims come down before we pass judgement, though.

Now for Maxx's claim.
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8/26/2012 10:49:08 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
VTL Maxx for a claim

Also, Ishall is new, so nothing really suspicious about his/her(?) behavior... yet. Besides, its DP1, lets just smoothly get the two claims and VTNL.
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8/26/2012 10:50:05 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
unvote

just read Airmax's post
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"You were the moon all this time, and he was always there to make you shine."

"Was he the sun?"

"No honey, he was the darkness"

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8/26/2012 10:54:17 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/26/2012 10:50:05 PM, Buddamoose wrote:
unvote

just read Airmax's post

Budda is obvious scum haha :P
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8/26/2012 10:58:01 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/26/2012 10:54:17 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 8/26/2012 10:50:05 PM, Buddamoose wrote:
unvote

just read Airmax's post

Budda is obvious scum haha :P

your computer must be broken.
"Reality is an illusion created due to a lack of alcohol"
-Airmax1227

"You were the moon all this time, and he was always there to make you shine."

"Was he the sun?"

"No honey, he was the darkness"

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8/26/2012 11:35:51 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/26/2012 10:58:01 PM, Buddamoose wrote:
At 8/26/2012 10:54:17 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 8/26/2012 10:50:05 PM, Buddamoose wrote:
unvote

just read Airmax's post

Budda is obvious scum haha :P

your computer must be broken.

Rule 1 of Mafia: Budda is always scum.
Rule 2 of Mafia: If budda doesn't flip scum, then there's a tailor out and he's scum still.
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8/26/2012 11:40:25 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/26/2012 11:35:51 PM, Zaradi wrote:
At 8/26/2012 10:58:01 PM, Buddamoose wrote:
At 8/26/2012 10:54:17 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 8/26/2012 10:50:05 PM, Buddamoose wrote:
unvote

just read Airmax's post

Budda is obvious scum haha :P

your computer must be broken.

Rule 1 of Mafia: Budda is always scum.
Rule 2 of Mafia: If budda doesn't flip scum, then there's a tailor out and he's scum still.

Hey, that rule is for you, not me
"Reality is an illusion created due to a lack of alcohol"
-Airmax1227

"You were the moon all this time, and he was always there to make you shine."

"Was he the sun?"

"No honey, he was the darkness"

-Kazekirion
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8/26/2012 11:41:26 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/26/2012 11:40:25 PM, Buddamoose wrote:
At 8/26/2012 11:35:51 PM, Zaradi wrote:
At 8/26/2012 10:58:01 PM, Buddamoose wrote:
At 8/26/2012 10:54:17 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 8/26/2012 10:50:05 PM, Buddamoose wrote:
unvote

just read Airmax's post

Budda is obvious scum haha :P

your computer must be broken.

Rule 1 of Mafia: Zaradi is always scum.
Rule 2 of Mafia: If Zaradi doesn't flip scum, then there's a tailor out and he's scum still.

Hey, that rule is for you, not me

^^see ;)
"Reality is an illusion created due to a lack of alcohol"
-Airmax1227

"You were the moon all this time, and he was always there to make you shine."

"Was he the sun?"

"No honey, he was the darkness"

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8/26/2012 11:43:40 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/26/2012 10:36:41 PM, Zaradi wrote:

But his claim of JOAT, in a game like this, is kind of iffy. Even one shots in a game like this may be a little overpowered if he gets lucky or even, lord help us, uses them correctly. We'll have to see how some other claims come down before we pass judgement, though.

Depends. We can't make that judgement because we don't know the strength of the mafia. Although one shot JOAT can be a popular fake claim.
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Zaradi
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8/26/2012 11:53:05 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/26/2012 11:43:40 PM, johnnyboy54 wrote:
At 8/26/2012 10:36:41 PM, Zaradi wrote:

But his claim of JOAT, in a game like this, is kind of iffy. Even one shots in a game like this may be a little overpowered if he gets lucky or even, lord help us, uses them correctly. We'll have to see how some other claims come down before we pass judgement, though.

Depends. We can't make that judgement because we don't know the strength of the mafia. Although one shot JOAT can be a popular fake claim.
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8/26/2012 11:56:02 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/26/2012 11:53:05 PM, Zaradi wrote:
At 8/26/2012 11:43:40 PM, johnnyboy54 wrote:
At 8/26/2012 10:36:41 PM, Zaradi wrote:

But his claim of JOAT, in a game like this, is kind of iffy. Even one shots in a game like this may be a little overpowered if he gets lucky or even, lord help us, uses them correctly. We'll have to see how some other claims come down before we pass judgement, though.

Depends. We can't make that judgement because we don't know the strength of the mafia. Although one shot JOAT can be a popular fake claim.

My bad. Trying to study and play mafia at the same time. So if I start blabbering about income taxation, just ignore me.
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Zaradi
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8/26/2012 11:56:56 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/26/2012 11:44:17 PM, johnnyboy54 wrote:
After last game, I'm just going to assume the Budda is scum from here on out.

Actually probably a false assumption. Since he was mafia in the last game (at least to my knowledge he was), then it's very unlikely that he will be mafia here, since mods tend to want to cycle players through mafia positions so that everyone can get a crack at it. Welcome to beginner games (this has actually been time proven .-. it's scary).

So unless really damning evidence comes out to the contrary, I think Budda is unofficially confirmed....for now.
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