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F-16_Fighting_Falcon
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10/27/2012 3:00:33 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Time/Deadlines

1) Nights will last 24 hours.
2) No initial time limit on Day Phases but if activity stagnates, I will end it after a further 72 hours.

Rules

1) Do not screen capture your role PM, or manufacture it in any way which would make it surely real.
2) Do not attempt to use a system of robust cryptography, etc. Do not use small or invisible text to attempt to avoid detection.
3) A lynch or no lynch happens when the required number of votes to lynch are reached. No one can unvote although you can continue discussing.
4) I will reveal role PMs once a player is lynched in addition to revealing affiliations. That will be the last post of the Day Phase. No one can post after that and no plans may be made after seeing the role PM and affiliation of the lynched player.
5) No spamming the DPs with posts unrelated to the game.
6) No double-quoting, i.e. if a player responds with quoted text, you cannot quote it again. Use a new post.

Role PMs

Full setup and list of Role PMs are here: http://debate.org...
(The Macho cops have been sent an additional message clarifying that they don't benefit from protection - Please don't use this as a confirmation tactic)

Looking over the role setup is highly recommended and would be of immense help to anyone of any affiliation.

Have fun!
F-16_Fighting_Falcon
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10/27/2012 3:01:43 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Active Players

1) Zaradi
2) Drafterman
3) SocialPinko
4) IFLYHIGH
5) Medic
6) Buddamoose
7) Daytona
8) Johnnyboy
9) TVellalott
10) OberHerr
11) FourTrouble
12) Logic_on_Rails
13) Bossyburrito
14) OneElephant
15) HCP

With 15 alive, it takes 8 votes to lynch.
Buddamoose
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10/27/2012 3:07:43 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/27/2012 3:03:12 PM, IFLYHIGH wrote:
Discuss^^^^

Lmao
"Reality is an illusion created due to a lack of alcohol"
-Airmax1227

"You were the moon all this time, and he was always there to make you shine."

"Was he the sun?"

"No honey, he was the darkness"

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Buddamoose
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10/27/2012 3:09:03 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
VTL Singlepachyderm
"Reality is an illusion created due to a lack of alcohol"
-Airmax1227

"You were the moon all this time, and he was always there to make you shine."

"Was he the sun?"

"No honey, he was the darkness"

-Kazekirion
IFLYHIGH
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10/27/2012 3:12:26 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/27/2012 3:09:03 PM, Buddamoose wrote:
VTL Singlepachyderm

You mean OneE? And literally everybody is going to claim vanilla....
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10/27/2012 3:14:22 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/27/2012 3:12:26 PM, IFLYHIGH wrote:
At 10/27/2012 3:09:03 PM, Buddamoose wrote:
VTL Singlepachyderm

You mean OneE? And literally everybody is going to claim vanilla....

Then what do you suggest? VTNL'ing right away till we get results? Seems silly to waste a DP's worth of analysis like that
"Reality is an illusion created due to a lack of alcohol"
-Airmax1227

"You were the moon all this time, and he was always there to make you shine."

"Was he the sun?"

"No honey, he was the darkness"

-Kazekirion
IFLYHIGH
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10/27/2012 3:17:30 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/27/2012 3:14:22 PM, Buddamoose wrote:
At 10/27/2012 3:12:26 PM, IFLYHIGH wrote:
At 10/27/2012 3:09:03 PM, Buddamoose wrote:
VTL Singlepachyderm

You mean OneE? And literally everybody is going to claim vanilla....

Then what do you suggest? VTNL'ing right away till we get results? Seems silly to waste a DP's worth of analysis like that

No. It seems this game is structured the way they play it on mafiascum. That is why I'm starting out with RVS. Not really sure where this is supposed to lead... just hoping to generate discussion. Do you suggest we VTNL immediately?
Buddamoose
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10/27/2012 3:19:40 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Does it look like thats what I suggest?
"Reality is an illusion created due to a lack of alcohol"
-Airmax1227

"You were the moon all this time, and he was always there to make you shine."

"Was he the sun?"

"No honey, he was the darkness"

-Kazekirion
IFLYHIGH
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10/27/2012 3:20:34 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/27/2012 3:19:40 PM, Buddamoose wrote:
Does it look like thats what I suggest?

Then what do you suggest that I suggest that you suggest?
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10/27/2012 3:23:45 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/27/2012 3:20:34 PM, IFLYHIGH wrote:
At 10/27/2012 3:19:40 PM, Buddamoose wrote:
Does it look like thats what I suggest?

Then what do you suggest that I suggest that you suggest?

That we all stop suggesting and actually take action
"Reality is an illusion created due to a lack of alcohol"
-Airmax1227

"You were the moon all this time, and he was always there to make you shine."

"Was he the sun?"

"No honey, he was the darkness"

-Kazekirion
IFLYHIGH
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10/27/2012 3:28:39 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/27/2012 3:23:45 PM, Buddamoose wrote:
At 10/27/2012 3:20:34 PM, IFLYHIGH wrote:
At 10/27/2012 3:19:40 PM, Buddamoose wrote:
Does it look like thats what I suggest?

Then what do you suggest that I suggest that you suggest?

That we all stop suggesting and actually take action

k. So your course of action would be to VTL OneE so that he claims vanilla which would result in us unvoting and then VTNL anyways? Why not just cut to the chase and VTNL?
IFLYHIGH
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10/27/2012 4:13:21 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
It's also crucial we don't VTNL.

1) Scum get two kills every night which sets us back considerably if we we no lynch.

2) It's going to be near impossible for the cop to get a guilty. Not only is there a 1/7 chance that each cop will actually investigate the right mafia, there is a 50% chance that scum will lawyer the right person. Cop investigations are close to being useless this game.
OneElephant
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10/27/2012 4:16:43 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I claim "vanilla".
I think IFLY is behaving kind of suspiciously. From what I understand it, his reasoning is inconsistent - he suggests that pressuring someone for a role is futile because everyone will claim vanilla, yet also talks about how it's good to use a RVS to generate activity.

RVS means Random Vote System, right?
drafterman
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10/27/2012 4:17:45 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/27/2012 4:13:21 PM, IFLYHIGH wrote:
It's also crucial we don't VTNL.

Cool. Let's lynch you. I'm glad you volunteered.


1) Scum get two kills every night which sets us back considerably if we we no lynch.

2) It's going to be near impossible for the cop to get a guilty. Not only is there a 1/7 chance that each cop will actually investigate the right mafia, there is a 50% chance that scum will lawyer the right person. Cop investigations are close to being useless this game.
IFLYHIGH
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10/27/2012 4:20:24 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/27/2012 4:17:45 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 10/27/2012 4:13:21 PM, IFLYHIGH wrote:
It's also crucial we don't VTNL.

Cool. Let's lynch you. I'm glad you volunteered.

k. Good to see you contributing to the DP.
drafterman
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10/27/2012 4:22:37 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/27/2012 4:20:24 PM, IFLYHIGH wrote:
At 10/27/2012 4:17:45 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 10/27/2012 4:13:21 PM, IFLYHIGH wrote:
It's also crucial we don't VTNL.

Cool. Let's lynch you. I'm glad you volunteered.

k. Good to see you contributing to the DP.

Whats to contribute? Given the roles, it isnt safe to claim anything but vanilla. You voted yourself, which seems like some sort of scum gambit, so I'll go with that idea.
IFLYHIGH
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10/27/2012 4:26:41 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/27/2012 4:16:43 PM, OneElephant wrote:
I claim "vanilla".
I think IFLY is behaving kind of suspiciously. From what I understand it, his reasoning is inconsistent - he suggests that pressuring someone for a role is futile because everyone will claim vanilla, yet also talks about how it's good to use a RVS to generate activity.

RVS means Random Vote System, right?

I'm not pressuring for role claims, I'm just trying to start discussion. It is a strategy applied on mafiascum. To see an example here on DDO- http://debate.org....

My two town reads so far
Drafter- He is being his usual "Not giving a flying f*ck right now".
OneE-Already giving behavioral analysis.

Kind of waiting on Budda to answer my question before I give a read on him.
IFLYHIGH
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10/27/2012 4:28:16 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Whats to contribute? Given the roles, it isnt safe to claim anything but vanilla. You voted yourself, which seems like some sort of scum gambit, so I'll go with that idea.

It got a reaction didn't it? Which is more than you have done this DP. Especially considering behavioral analysis will be paramount this game.
drafterman
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10/27/2012 4:28:39 PM
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Also, two mafias isnt as bad as IFLY suggests. Each has a pool of 13 players to kill (the other mafia group plus the third). That mean each mafia has little under 25% chance of killing other scum. Combine them and we are talking close to 50% chance of at least one scum being NKed.
drafterman
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10/27/2012 4:29:51 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/27/2012 4:28:16 PM, IFLYHIGH wrote:
Whats to contribute? Given the roles, it isnt safe to claim anything but vanilla. You voted yourself, which seems like some sort of scum gambit, so I'll go with that idea.

It got a reaction didn't it? Which is more than you have done this DP. Especially considering behavioral analysis will be paramount this game.

It hasnt gotten a reaction. You wanted to vote yourself. I agree. So we stand.
IFLYHIGH
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10/27/2012 4:31:56 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/27/2012 4:28:39 PM, drafterman wrote:
Also, two mafias isnt as bad as IFLY suggests. Each has a pool of 13 players to kill (the other mafia group plus the third). That mean each mafia has little under 25% chance of killing other scum. Combine them and we are talking close to 50% chance of at least one scum being NKed.

So you would rather let scum decide who to kill then town?
OneElephant
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10/27/2012 4:32:21 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/27/2012 4:28:39 PM, drafterman wrote:
Also, two mafias isnt as bad as IFLY suggests. Each has a pool of 13 players to kill (the other mafia group plus the third). That mean each mafia has little under 25% chance of killing other scum. Combine them and we are talking close to 50% chance of at least one scum being NKed.

That's true. I mean, considering we could also have BPs, Bombs, and Beloved Princesses...
IFLYHIGH
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10/27/2012 4:33:16 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/27/2012 4:29:51 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 10/27/2012 4:28:16 PM, IFLYHIGH wrote:
Whats to contribute? Given the roles, it isnt safe to claim anything but vanilla. You voted yourself, which seems like some sort of scum gambit, so I'll go with that idea.

It got a reaction didn't it? Which is more than you have done this DP. Especially considering behavioral analysis will be paramount this game.

It hasnt gotten a reaction. You wanted to vote yourself. I agree. So we stand.

You gave a reaction. I now have a read on you.
Hardcore.Pwnography
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10/27/2012 4:38:57 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/27/2012 4:35:02 PM, Hardcore.Pwnography wrote:
I don't exactly get it. Are there 2 mafia factions or one?

Nevermind, stupid question.

Don't know what IFLY wants to get lynched, but okay.

VTL IFLY
Zaradi
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10/27/2012 4:39:19 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Sorry that I'm probably not going to be able to give much more than this post today, I'm at a debate tournament right now and I'm waiting for my next round to start.

Just so I have a little bit of analysis, drafter's behaving like normal town drafter, IFLY is iffy right now in my books but I don't have anything solid, and two NKs from two mafia teams probably won't be too bad, since they also have a chance of hitting the other scum team and making our job a whole lot simpler.

No VtL from me since I'm not gonna be on to do anything about it or change it if need be.
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