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Beginners 12.1 - DAY PHASE THREE

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11/13/2012 1:06:03 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Died in the Night:
SarcasticIndeed - Vanilla

Previously Dead:
MilitaryAtheist - Vanilla
Buddamoose - Role Cop

Living Players:
1. TheAntidoter
2. Chicken
3. Jordan56
4. emospongebob527
5. Lannan13
6. johnnyboy54
7. airmax1227

With 7 players, it takes 4 votes to lynch.
This Day Phase will end no later than 1PM DDO Time on 11/15.
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11/13/2012 3:59:57 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Normally a cop should only out their results if they have a guilty, but in this case I think it is wise for us to know who is guilty or innocent. If gives us more info and we can get ahead of the mafia, especially since they know who is innocent.

With that being said, I think TheAntoidoter should out his results. Guilty or not.

That would eliminate some players and we know who to question on their affiliation.
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11/13/2012 5:47:47 PM
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Can we see a list on who hasn't claimed?
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11/13/2012 6:15:29 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
1. TheAntidoter - Cop (TOWN: Un CC'd, gave valid results)

2. Chicken - Vanilla (WeeK Town Read: Gave pro-town analysis but was playing low-key)

3. Jordan56 - Vanilla (TOWN: My role, though the rest of you are not sure yet)

4. emospongebob527 - Unclaimed (Not Sure: Made three posts; two were to bandwagon and the other was explaining himself)

5. Lannan13 - Vanilla (Not sure: Mainly voted for people, analysis wasn't very useful)

6. johnnyboy54 - Unclaimed (Not sure: Made one post)

7. airmax1227 - Unclaimed (Likely Town: Gave strong pro-town analysis)
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11/13/2012 7:01:59 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/13/2012 3:59:57 PM, Jordan56 wrote:
Normally a cop should only out their results if they have a guilty, but in this case I think it is wise for us to know who is guilty or innocent. If gives us more info and we can get ahead of the mafia, especially since they know who is innocent.

With that being said, I think TheAntoidoter should out his results. Guilty or not.

That would eliminate some players and we know who to question on their affiliation.

TheAntidoter is already outed as the cop so there is no reason for him not to share his results. Since any results he has (guilty or innocent) significantly aids in our effort to narrow down who the mafia are, there is absolutely no reason for him to keep the results to himself.

The only time a cop should withhold their results is when they get an inno result and no one yet knows that they are the cop. (No reason to reveal you are the cop when it's not going to have any positive effect in helping the town)

So in this case, TA please share your results so we can move forward with this DP...
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11/13/2012 7:07:35 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/13/2012 5:47:47 PM, lannan13 wrote:
Can we see a list on who hasn't claimed?

We don't need claims at this point... Everyone remaining is just going to claim vanilla and we don't need the Doc to reveal them self as such... The doc should naturally claim vanilla if pressured for their claim.

So we are now at a point where we need to narrow down the scummiest players and go from there. Once we have TA's results that will help a bit, by either having a guilty result (a very small chance)... or an Innocent on someone, which will narrow down the choices of who to lynch this DP.

Jordan's list is a good starting point, so thank you Jordan for providing it.
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11/13/2012 7:19:34 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/13/2012 6:15:29 PM, Jordan56 wrote:
1. TheAntidoter - Cop (TOWN: Un CC'd, gave valid results)

2. Chicken - Vanilla (WeeK Town Read: Gave pro-town analysis but was playing low-key)

3. Jordan56 - Vanilla (TOWN: My role, though the rest of you are not sure yet)

4. emospongebob527 - Unclaimed (Not Sure: Made three posts; two were to bandwagon and the other was explaining himself)

5. Lannan13 - Vanilla (Not sure: Mainly voted for people, analysis wasn't very useful)

6. johnnyboy54 - Unclaimed (Not sure: Made one post)

7. airmax1227 - Unclaimed (Likely Town: Gave strong pro-town analysis)

Good work on this list...

I'd say our best bets right now are Emo, Lannan and Johnny...

All 3 have been mostly inactive... My only reservation is that Johnny was the hammer on Budda, though this may have been a BUS (Bussing a fellow mafia member is intended to make one look innocent by lynching a fellow mafia member who is going to inevitably be lynched)...

Emo also votes for Budda, but as the 4th vote he also knew Budda was going to inevitably be lynched. Budda may have even called for his mafia team mates to VTL him at that point.

Lannan didn't vote for Budda at all which is worthy of some suspicion.

Chicken No lynched, which is odd to do on DP2, but we can probably look passed this as he is a relatively new player who didn't realize DDO SOP is generally not to No Lynch beyond DP1.

Budda - 5/5 - Antidoter, Jordan, airmax, emo, johnnyboy
Antidoter - 1/5 - Buddamoose
VTNL - 1/5 - Chicken

So given all of the above I think out best targets this DP are Emo, Lannan and Johnny.
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11/13/2012 9:02:14 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Guys, I am afraid we will have to use behavior analysis. After all, I investigated the same person who died tonight. Which really sucks.
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11/13/2012 9:14:33 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/13/2012 9:02:14 PM, TheAntidoter wrote:
Guys, I am afraid we will have to use behavior analysis. After all, I investigated the same person who died tonight. Which really sucks.

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11/14/2012 7:19:24 AM
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Well our best targets are Iannan, Emo, and Johnny, so let's get cracking!

Who do we start with first?
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11/14/2012 7:24:05 AM
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Where ever you want broski.
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11/14/2012 9:20:04 AM
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VTL Chicken
I don't believe him, he was almost lynched and made a quick claim. He's abvously mafia lerkin' with Budda, and God knows who else.
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11/14/2012 9:23:28 AM
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At 11/14/2012 9:22:57 AM, TheAntidoter wrote:
VTL Chicken for pressure.

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11/14/2012 9:24:17 AM
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I unvoted because if chicken was town, the mafia would hammer the last 2 votes on him.
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11/14/2012 10:20:21 AM
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Wait a minute, if chicken is mafia, the mafia won't hammer him. PERFECT!

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11/14/2012 3:08:28 PM
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Good job Anidoter, this way we will easily find the mafia.
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11/14/2012 3:57:15 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I don't really have a clue as to who is mafia or town, but I'm going to read through the past DPs to see if anything sticks out.
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11/14/2012 4:30:28 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/14/2012 3:08:28 PM, lannan13 wrote:
Good job Anidoter, this way we will easily find the mafia.

Not sure of the knowledge in this statement.
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11/14/2012 5:23:40 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/14/2012 10:20:21 AM, TheAntidoter wrote:
Wait a minute, if chicken is mafia, the mafia won't hammer him. PERFECT!

VTL CHICKEN

Hmm? That's funny, Antidoter use your head here. Mafia will try to turn townies against each other, as Airmaxx stated we only know two people for sure are not Mafia, You and Airmaxx. HOWEVER, we have a primary suspect list that I think is being flipped by you, I am the least likely to be Mafia. I understand that you may say "He's not refuting it" but blatantly saying I win with town won't change your mind. Think carefully, Lanan immediately jumped on me just because I no lynched, but as someone kindly pointed out, I am relatively new to Mafia. Lanan's only justification was that I was being shady. Hmm, well I guess that dumbs it down to 4 people still, with lanan being one of the prime suspects. Voting to lynch me wouldn't make sense, mafia will hammer me and you all will be at awful odds. Use your head, focus on the biggest suspects first. Just because I didn't lynch buddha doesn't auto mafia me, if you notice i was inactive for a while. Not much more I can say past use your head, if you stick by your logic right now, mafia will win for sure. I suggest you follow the people you trust, and not just bandwagon past DP1 when things are already at a standstill. You breaking the barrier antidoter will ruin the game, and give mafia an easy win.
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11/14/2012 7:34:57 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/14/2012 9:22:57 AM, TheAntidoter wrote:
VTL Chicken for pressure.

Pressure him for what? A claim? There is no reason to get any claims anymore... Assume everyone will claim vanilla and there is no reason to get the doc to claim...
So what we have to do now is go with behavior analysis, and make a risk-reward assessment...

If we are going to mislynch someone (which seems likely given the circumstances) let's at least just go with a townie that hasn't been particularly useful...

I'm not sure why people are voting for Chicken... The VTNL he placed isn't enough to lynch him and was done right away in the DP... he has been inactive, but has at least contributed something...

Right now I'm leaning towards Lannan, for the reasons I stated above, and because I cant recall any useful analysis so far that he has provided to the town.

So if we mislynch Lannan, at least we aren't losing someone who has helped the town, or will potentially help the town.

(@Lannan, this isn't meant to offend, I assume you've just been too busy to be very active in this game... so don't take it personally)

So I'd like to hear some thoughts from the town and then we'll go from there. But right now my scum list is as follows,

Lannan - No analysis, filler posts
Emo - No analysis
Johnny - No analysis

These 3 players have yet to provide anything to the town... I think we should lynch them in this order...

I'm going to wait for a couple hours and then VTL Lannan... Emo and Johnny need to provide something otherwise I may consider pushing for their lynch this DP instead.

If anyone else has anything else to offer I encourage them to do so soon. Whether it's to offer analysis or to disagree with everything I've just said above, offering anything to help narrow down who is scum would be useful.
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11/14/2012 7:37:19 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/14/2012 9:20:04 AM, lannan13 wrote:
VTL Chicken
I don't believe him, he was almost lynched and made a quick claim. He's abvously mafia lerkin' with Budda, and God knows who else.

This is what makes Lannan seem so shady in this game... This analysis really provides nothing, makes little sense and seems like a mislynch attempt.
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11/14/2012 7:39:48 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/14/2012 3:08:28 PM, lannan13 wrote:
Good job Anidoter, this way we will easily find the mafia.

"Buddying" with the only confirmed member of the town...

Also this strategy of putting players one vote from lynch to see if mafia hammers doesn't prove or help anything...
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11/14/2012 8:31:31 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
UNVOTE

I have seen the light...
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11/14/2012 9:16:25 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/14/2012 8:31:31 PM, TheAntidoter wrote:
UNVOTE

I have seen the light...

Hopefully you read my long analysis on why Lanan is shady. If your only taking Airmax's word for it, there's not much to go by.
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11/14/2012 9:19:41 PM
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VTL Lanan for shady behavior/ insistence that I am Mafia. Trying to turn the cop against town, and for using no evidence whatsoever to justify his claim on lynching.

Look at it this way

1) I am contributing to town
2) Lanan is not, rather he is blatantly trying to turn town against town.
3) His only warrant is that I no lynched in DP1.
4) We have 3 inactives currently, so his whole "Mafia won't hammer" Won't work, considering only 4 people have actually posted at all to this DP
5) If he dies, we still have the cop and a valuable townie.
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11/15/2012 12:11:44 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/14/2012 7:37:19 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 11/14/2012 9:20:04 AM, lannan13 wrote:
VTL Chicken
I don't believe him, he was almost lynched and made a quick claim. He's abvously mafia lerkin' with Budda, and God knows who else.

This is what makes Lannan seem so shady in this game... This analysis really provides nothing, makes little sense and seems like a mislynch attempt.

To be fair, I have never seen Lannan give good analysis either.
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