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Proposal to trim the "On-Hold" list

F-16_Fighting_Falcon
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1/27/2013 7:57:50 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I brought up this proposal in the mafia mod list and wanted to see what the larger mafia community thinks about it.

In any organized forum game, having a functioning list that is current, updated and relevant makes the process of using it much easier. Such is the case with the mafia mod list. The "on-hold" list is useful for people who's turn has come up but would like to wait a bit before they start their game. However, we have people who signed up months ago and have never come back which decreases the relevancy of the list.

Furthermore it is unfair that people who signed up ages ago can just pop in at any time to start their game making it more inconvenient for members who are ready when their turn comes and are expecting to mod.

To solve this, there needs to be an expiration period for the list. Being on the waitlist forever with the privileges to start their game anytime is unfair to people who are ready when their turn comes. Removing people who are on the on-hold list after a set period of time seems to be the most fair to everyone involved. If you really don't show up for months at a time, surely you can wait a couple of more months while you put your name back at the bottom of the list and wait for your turn.

The idea I proposed in the mafia mod list thread is to remove people from the on-hold list if one of the following occur:

- Not logging onto DDO for 3 months
- Not playing a mafia game for 3-6 months (undecided on whether it should be 3 or 6 but I think 3 seems better)
- Being on the on-hold list for longer than 1 complete cycle of the list

I have further suggestions to optimize the process. How do we define "not playing a mafia game?" If they signed up but got replaced, should it count as a played game? In my opinion it shouldn't.

1) Thoughts?

2) Should the times be edited? What is your preference?

3) Good arguments as to not proceed with this plan?

Here are the people on the on-hold list before TUF removed some names.

- ON HOLD
1) FrackJack (MA, westernmarch)
2) DetectableNinja
3) Lickdafoot
4) Caveat
5) Mattrodstrorm
6) Lannan13
7) Man-is-Good
8) Andromeda_Z
9) M_Torres
10) PartamRuhem
11) Marcuscato
12) OberHerr
13) Apollo11
14) Johnnyboy54
15) medic0506
16) nerdykiller
17) Royalpaladin
18) Johnnyboy54
19) THEBOMB
20) TheAntidoter
TUF
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1/27/2013 8:00:03 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/27/2013 7:57:50 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
Here are the people on the on-hold list before TUF removed some names.

I didn't intentionally remove the names lol, It was a C/P fail that I was too lazy to fix, and everyone else just started adding on to it.
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F-16_Fighting_Falcon
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1/27/2013 8:00:55 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/27/2013 8:00:03 PM, TUF wrote:
At 1/27/2013 7:57:50 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
Here are the people on the on-hold list before TUF removed some names.

I didn't intentionally remove the names lol, It was a C/P fail that I was too lazy to fix, and everyone else just started adding on to it.

Lol, I had no idea. But shall we do it now though?
drafterman
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1/27/2013 8:08:36 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/27/2013 8:00:04 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
Not logging onto DDO encompasses not playing mafia. Maybe, we should cut it to 1 month.

For the on-hold list, pinging people and checking account activity is a real chore. It'd get tedious real fast. 1 month, and chop the fvckers off.
Mestari
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1/27/2013 8:13:12 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/27/2013 8:00:04 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
Not logging onto DDO encompasses not playing mafia. Maybe, we should cut it to 1 month.

Sure. I would add a clause stating that players can remain on-hold if they let us know they are going to be unavailable for an extended period of time before they leave.
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1/27/2013 8:13:27 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/27/2013 8:08:36 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 1/27/2013 8:00:04 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
Not logging onto DDO encompasses not playing mafia. Maybe, we should cut it to 1 month.

For the on-hold list, pinging people and checking account activity is a real chore. It'd get tedious real fast. 1 month, and chop the fvckers off.

ALL THE FVCKERS!!!!

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Andromeda_Z
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1/27/2013 8:22:19 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I had forgot i signed up to mod aeons ago until i saw this on my activity feed. I think it's best if my name is taken off the list, doesn't look like i'll have time to mod until i'm 90 or something and retired.
TUF
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1/28/2013 4:25:06 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/27/2013 8:13:12 PM, Mestari wrote:
At 1/27/2013 8:00:04 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
Not logging onto DDO encompasses not playing mafia. Maybe, we should cut it to 1 month.

Sure. I would add a clause stating that players can remain on-hold if they let us know they are going to be unavailable for an extended period of time before they leave.

I agree with this.
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1/30/2013 7:36:40 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/27/2013 8:08:36 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 1/27/2013 8:00:04 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
Not logging onto DDO encompasses not playing mafia. Maybe, we should cut it to 1 month.

For the on-hold list, pinging people and checking account activity is a real chore. It'd get tedious real fast. 1 month, and chop the fvckers off.
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1/31/2013 7:31:56 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
I don't think we should trim the list, I've been on it for 6 months and haven't moved up at all yet.
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F-16_Fighting_Falcon
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2/5/2013 5:44:27 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Okay, the general concensus seems to be to trim it so I'll do that after seeing the last online/last played slots with the caveat that Lannan won't be removed.
F-16_Fighting_Falcon
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2/5/2013 6:03:12 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
The list will be trimmed to have just the bolded on the list. Zaradi de-activated his account but has been playing less than a month ago so I'm adding him.

1) FrackJack (MA, westernmarch) - *Had signed up for a mafia game but had no posts, stayed on the on-hold list using multiple accounts since 7 months ago*
2) DetectableNinja - *Had signed up for a mafia game but had no posts*
3) Lickdafoot - Didn't log on for 5 months (http://debate.org...)
4) Caveat - Not played mafia in a month (not logged on for 2 weeks)
5) Mattrodstrorm - Not played mafia in a month
6) Lannan13
7) Man-is-Good
8) Andromeda_Z - Requested to be removed
9) M_Torres - Last online: 1 month ago (http://debate.org...)
10) PartamRuhem - Stayed on the on-hold list for 9 months (http://debate.org...)
11) Marcuscato - Stayed on the on-hold list for 7 months (http://debate.org...)
12) OberHerr - On modlist since at least 7 months ago (http://debate.org...)
13) Apollo11 - Last online: Two months ago (http://debate.org...)
14) Johnnyboy54
15) medic0506
16) nerdykiller - Last online: 5 months ago(http://debate.org...)
17) Royalpaladin
18) Johnnyboy54 - Removed for repetition
19) THEBOMB - Hasn't played mafia for more than a month
20) TheAntidoter
21) Zaradi - Account de-activated
F-16_Fighting_Falcon
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2/5/2013 6:12:28 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
1) FrackJack (MA, westernmarch) - *Had signed up for a mafia game but had no posts, stayed on the on-hold list using multiple accounts since 7 months ago*
2) DetectableNinja - *Had signed up for a mafia game but had no posts*
3) Lickdafoot - Didn't log on for 5 months (http://debate.org......)
4) Caveat - Not played mafia in a month (not logged on for 2 weeks)
5) Mattrodstrorm - Not played mafia in a month
6) Lannan13
7) Man-is-Good - On hold for one full cycle (6 months)
8) Andromeda_Z - Requested to be removed
9) M_Torres - Last online: 1 month ago (http://debate.org......)
10) PartamRuhem - Stayed on the on-hold list for 9 months (http://debate.org......)
11) Marcuscato - Stayed on the on-hold list for 7 months (http://debate.org......)
12) OberHerr - On modlist since at least 7 months ago (http://debate.org......)
13) Apollo11 - Last online: Two months ago (http://debate.org......)
14) Johnnyboy54
15) medic0506 - On hold for one full cycle
16) nerdykiller - Last online: 5 months ago(http://debate.org......)
17) Royalpaladin - On the main list
18) Johnnyboy54 - Removed for repetition
19) THEBOMB - Hasn't played mafia for more than a month
20) TheAntidoter
21) Zaradi - Account de-activated

* Missed a few. Dunno what to do about Zaradi but it only seems fair to take him off. If anyone has a different idea, I guess do that.
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2/7/2013 1:36:40 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/31/2013 7:31:56 AM, lannan13 wrote:
I don't think we should trim the list, I've been on it for 6 months and haven't moved up at all yet.

You have been on the on-hold list for 6 months and not moved up at all?

Here is how it works:
You sign up on the main list. When your turn comes, you start your game. If you cannot start right then, you move your name to the on-hold list. When you are ready, you move onto the main list placing yourself second or third on the list. If you are ready to start now, I suggest you put your name after Noumena's. When it is your turn, post signups and start your game.

This thread exists because some people sign up to mod a game and then disappear from the site never to return. Other times they return months, maybe years later and posts signups. If they were on the on-hold list for long enough that an entire cycle has run before them, it would be better to simply sign up at the bottom whenever they are ready.

In your case, if you are ready, put yourself back on the main list below Noumena. If not, then you should work on designing your game.