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3/6/2013 12:38:58 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
This has been set up to try to establish basic gun ownership rights, and to protect them from infringement.
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3/6/2013 12:41:33 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
NAY Large Mags
YAY Assult Rifles
YAY Universal Background Checks (extensive)

That is my opinion
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3/6/2013 12:49:56 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Current gun-related legislation:

Law 6: Bill of Rights
Clause 3. Gun rights. Citizens or our great nation have the right to conceal and carry their weapons except near schools. These weapons shall not be taken away from citizens if they do not have a criminal record, are not mentally insane or mentally crippled, or are weapons that are unnecessarily deadly, such as tanks and nuclear devices.

Upon reading this again, there is a pretty dire issue which needs to be brought up in the main thread.
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3/6/2013 2:58:35 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/6/2013 12:49:56 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
Current gun-related legislation:

Law 6: Bill of Rights
Clause 3. Gun rights. Citizens or our great nation have the right to conceal and carry their weapons except near schools. These weapons shall not be taken away from citizens if they do not have a criminal record, are not mentally insane or mentally crippled, or are weapons that are unnecessarily deadly, such as tanks and nuclear devices.

Upon reading this again, there is a pretty dire issue which needs to be brought up in the main thread.

It does actually sound quite reasonable. This administration will be here to insure it is upheld.
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3/6/2013 2:59:20 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/6/2013 12:41:33 PM, THEVIRUS wrote:
NAY Large Mags
YAY Assult Rifles
YAY Universal Background Checks (extensive)

That is my opinion

Hey, be sure to invite those in the conservative party to join.
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3/6/2013 3:05:26 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/6/2013 2:58:35 PM, BigSky wrote:
At 3/6/2013 12:49:56 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
Current gun-related legislation:

Law 6: Bill of Rights
Clause 3. Gun rights. Citizens or our great nation have the right to conceal and carry their weapons except near schools. These weapons shall not be taken away from citizens if they do not have a criminal record, are not mentally insane or mentally crippled, or are weapons that are unnecessarily deadly, such as tanks and nuclear devices.

Upon reading this again, there is a pretty dire issue which needs to be brought up in the main thread.

It does actually sound quite reasonable. This administration will be here to insure it is upheld.

Yep, I tried to make it that way when I wrote it. The Conservative Party is Pro Gun Rights
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3/6/2013 3:49:47 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I say people have the right to carry any weapon they want. Though it must be conceal and carry.
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3/6/2013 4:36:26 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/6/2013 3:49:47 PM, lannan13 wrote:
I say people have the right to carry any weapon they want. Though it must be conceal and carry.

I think concealing is WAY different than just having one. I think you should (as you do in the US) need to have an extra permit to conceal a weapon. And again, I am strongly opposed to extended or larger mags. Also, I think there should be a 1 year limit of no background check (to own a weapon you must have at least 1 background check a year).
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3/6/2013 4:37:42 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/6/2013 12:38:58 PM, BigSky wrote:
This has been set up to try to establish basic gun ownership rights, and to protect them from infringement.

Where do I sign up?
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3/6/2013 4:47:44 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Debate.org Gun Rights Assosiation (DDOGRA) members
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3/6/2013 4:47:51 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/6/2013 2:58:35 PM, BigSky wrote:
At 3/6/2013 12:49:56 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
Current gun-related legislation:

Law 6: Bill of Rights
Clause 3. Gun rights. Citizens or our great nation have the right to conceal and carry their weapons except near schools. These weapons shall not be taken away from citizens if they do not have a criminal record, are not mentally insane or mentally crippled, or are weapons that are unnecessarily deadly, such as tanks and nuclear devices.

Upon reading this again, there is a pretty dire issue which needs to be brought up in the main thread.

It does actually sound quite reasonable. This administration will be here to insure it is upheld.

It allows citizens to possess nuclear bombs.
"The Collectivist experiment is thoroughly suited (in appearance at least) to the Capitalist society which it proposes to replace. It works with the existing machinery of Capitalism, talks and thinks in the existing terms of Capitalism, appeals to just those appetites which Capitalism has aroused, and ridicules as fantastic and unheard-of just those things in society the memory of which Capitalism has killed among men wherever the blight of it has spread."
- Hilaire Belloc -
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3/6/2013 4:48:19 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
In case it wasn't obvious before.
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3/6/2013 4:50:10 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/6/2013 4:47:51 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 3/6/2013 2:58:35 PM, BigSky wrote:
At 3/6/2013 12:49:56 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
Current gun-related legislation:

Law 6: Bill of Rights
Clause 3. Gun rights. Citizens or our great nation have the right to conceal and carry their weapons except near schools. These weapons shall not be taken away from citizens if they do not have a criminal record, are not mentally insane or mentally crippled, or are weapons that are unnecessarily deadly, such as tanks and nuclear devices.

Upon reading this again, there is a pretty dire issue which needs to be brought up in the main thread.

It does actually sound quite reasonable. This administration will be here to insure it is upheld.

It allows citizens to possess nuclear bombs.

sh*tty word choice on my behalf, my bad
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3/6/2013 4:56:16 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/6/2013 4:50:10 PM, imabench wrote:
At 3/6/2013 4:47:51 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 3/6/2013 2:58:35 PM, BigSky wrote:
At 3/6/2013 12:49:56 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
Current gun-related legislation:

Law 6: Bill of Rights
Clause 3. Gun rights. Citizens or our great nation have the right to conceal and carry their weapons except near schools. These weapons shall not be taken away from citizens if they do not have a criminal record, are not mentally insane or mentally crippled, or are weapons that are unnecessarily deadly, such as tanks and nuclear devices.

Upon reading this again, there is a pretty dire issue which needs to be brought up in the main thread.

It does actually sound quite reasonable. This administration will be here to insure it is upheld.

It allows citizens to possess nuclear bombs.

sh*tty word choice on my behalf, my bad

No problem, we can probably fix it before some moustachioed volcano inhabitant finishes enriching his uranium.
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- Hilaire Belloc -
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3/6/2013 7:01:19 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
We will need to revise the article discussing gun rights, and also need to elect a President and Vice President of the GRA.
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3/6/2013 7:02:43 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/6/2013 7:01:19 PM, BigSky wrote:
We will need to revise the article discussing gun rights, and also need to elect a President and Vice President of the GRA.

I nominate Iannan13
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3/6/2013 8:14:02 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/6/2013 7:02:43 PM, BigSky wrote:
At 3/6/2013 7:01:19 PM, BigSky wrote:
We will need to revise the article discussing gun rights, and also need to elect a President and Vice President of the GRA.

I nominate Iannan13

I thank you for the nomination. I await to see who else gets nominated.
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3/6/2013 8:43:22 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/6/2013 7:01:19 PM, BigSky wrote:
We will need to revise the article discussing gun rights, and also need to elect a President and Vice President of the GRA.

shouldnt we all agree on a platform to advocate before we hire someone to advocate it?
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3/6/2013 8:51:25 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/6/2013 8:43:22 PM, imabench wrote:
At 3/6/2013 7:01:19 PM, BigSky wrote:
We will need to revise the article discussing gun rights, and also need to elect a President and Vice President of the GRA.

shouldnt we all agree on a platform to advocate before we hire someone to advocate it?

That's true because without a platform we're just a group of people withot a cause.
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3/6/2013 10:51:16 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Platform Proposal:

YAY Automatic Weaponry
NAY Extended Mags
YAY Concealed Weapons w/ Permit
YAY Extensive Background Checks


And my own added goodness:

YAY 1 Year Renewal (a permit and/or background check must happen after a full year without one)

These are my ideas
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3/6/2013 11:29:28 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I would advocate a Swiss-style militia and the similar gun laws that come with it. You can read up on the system here: http://en.wikipedia.org...
"The Collectivist experiment is thoroughly suited (in appearance at least) to the Capitalist society which it proposes to replace. It works with the existing machinery of Capitalism, talks and thinks in the existing terms of Capitalism, appeals to just those appetites which Capitalism has aroused, and ridicules as fantastic and unheard-of just those things in society the memory of which Capitalism has killed among men wherever the blight of it has spread."
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3/7/2013 11:56:06 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/6/2013 8:43:22 PM, imabench wrote:
At 3/6/2013 7:01:19 PM, BigSky wrote:
We will need to revise the article discussing gun rights, and also need to elect a President and Vice President of the GRA.

shouldnt we all agree on a platform to advocate before we hire someone to advocate it?

We need to get legislation passed to enforce gun rights, any proposals?
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3/7/2013 11:58:46 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/7/2013 11:56:06 AM, BigSky wrote:
At 3/6/2013 8:43:22 PM, imabench wrote:
At 3/6/2013 7:01:19 PM, BigSky wrote:
We will need to revise the article discussing gun rights, and also need to elect a President and Vice President of the GRA.

shouldnt we all agree on a platform to advocate before we hire someone to advocate it?

We need to get legislation passed to enforce gun rights, any proposals?

This is almost like the NRA, only for the USDDO, not the US
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3/7/2013 12:14:31 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/7/2013 11:58:46 AM, BigSky wrote:
At 3/7/2013 11:56:06 AM, BigSky wrote:
At 3/6/2013 8:43:22 PM, imabench wrote:
At 3/6/2013 7:01:19 PM, BigSky wrote:
We will need to revise the article discussing gun rights, and also need to elect a President and Vice President of the GRA.

shouldnt we all agree on a platform to advocate before we hire someone to advocate it?

We need to get legislation passed to enforce gun rights, any proposals?


This is almost like the NRA, only for the USDDO, not the US

I think we should be sure of what we think before we propose it
"So you want me to go to the judge with 'unit, corps, God, country'?" - A Few Good Men

"And the hits just keep on comin'." -A Few Good Men
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3/7/2013 12:19:15 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/6/2013 10:51:16 PM, THEVIRUS wrote:
Platform Proposal:

YAY Automatic Weaponry
yay
NAY Extended Mags
yay
YAY Concealed Weapons w/ Permit
yay
YAY Extensive Background Checks
yay
And my own added goodness:

YAY 1 Year Renewal (a permit and/or background check must happen after a full year without one)

These are my ideas
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3/7/2013 12:27:22 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/7/2013 12:19:15 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 3/6/2013 10:51:16 PM, THEVIRUS wrote:
Platform Proposal:

YAY Automatic Weaponry
yay
NAY Extended Mags
yay
YAY Concealed Weapons w/ Permit
yay
YAY Extensive Background Checks
yay
And my own added goodness:

YAY 1 Year Renewal (a permit and/or background check must happen after a full year without one)

These are my ideas

Are the YAYs for my opinion or just adding to the voting?
"So you want me to go to the judge with 'unit, corps, God, country'?" - A Few Good Men

"And the hits just keep on comin'." -A Few Good Men
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3/7/2013 12:30:19 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/7/2013 12:27:22 PM, THEVIRUS wrote:
At 3/7/2013 12:19:15 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 3/6/2013 10:51:16 PM, THEVIRUS wrote:
Platform Proposal:

YAY Automatic Weaponry
yay
NAY Extended Mags
yay
YAY Concealed Weapons w/ Permit
yay
YAY Extensive Background Checks
yay
And my own added goodness:

YAY 1 Year Renewal (a permit and/or background check must happen after a full year without one)

These are my ideas

Are the YAYs for my opinion or just adding to the voting?

adding my opinion.
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3/7/2013 12:31:52 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/7/2013 12:30:19 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 3/7/2013 12:27:22 PM, THEVIRUS wrote:
At 3/7/2013 12:19:15 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 3/6/2013 10:51:16 PM, THEVIRUS wrote:
Platform Proposal:

YAY Automatic Weaponry
yay
NAY Extended Mags
yay
YAY Concealed Weapons w/ Permit
yay
YAY Extensive Background Checks
yay
And my own added goodness:

YAY 1 Year Renewal (a permit and/or background check must happen after a full year without one)

These are my ideas

Are the YAYs for my opinion or just adding to the voting?

adding my opinion.

So you are for extended mags? why?
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"And the hits just keep on comin'." -A Few Good Men
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3/7/2013 12:34:37 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/7/2013 12:14:31 PM, THEVIRUS wrote:
At 3/7/2013 11:58:46 AM, BigSky wrote:
At 3/7/2013 11:56:06 AM, BigSky wrote:
At 3/6/2013 8:43:22 PM, imabench wrote:
At 3/6/2013 7:01:19 PM, BigSky wrote:
We will need to revise the article discussing gun rights, and also need to elect a President and Vice President of the GRA.

shouldnt we all agree on a platform to advocate before we hire someone to advocate it?

We need to get legislation passed to enforce gun rights, any proposals?


This is almost like the NRA, only for the USDDO, not the US

I think we should be sure of what we think before we propose it

Think of it this way, some people want heavy gun control, but we favor a strict interpretaion of the gun rights part of our own constitution, so we are here to make sure new laws do not interfere or contradict it.
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3/8/2013 2:36:38 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/6/2013 11:29:28 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
I would advocate a Swiss-style militia and the similar gun laws that come with it. You can read up on the system here: http://en.wikipedia.org...

That is a good idea, but we can't be sure it would be as successful.
What does our constitution say about our military?