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3/12/2013 11:03:00 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Introduction:

The essence of DDO Mafia, is the themed game. Almost all games on mafia area themed games. A themed game introduces new elements (and sometimes new mechanics) that add complexity and (hopefully) fun to the game.

In addition to an alignment and a role, players are also given characters that fit in with the theme. The roles almost (but not always or necessarily) fit with the character. This can be expressed in a number of ways. For example, if the theme is a TV show or movie, and your character is a cop, officer, or policeman, he might very will have the Mafia role of "Cop" due to the similarity in profession, if not function. Alternatively, if the character isn't such an occupation, but is otherwise good at discerning between good and evil, they might also be a "Cop" due to the similarity in function, if not profession.

Themes are limited by the imagination. Most have to do with some form of media, such as TV shows, Literature, and Movies. Others are more abstract, like philosophies or politics. Literally anything can be a theme.

As said, themes add new elements to the game, which are summarized as follows:

1. Partial-claiming. Role-claiming can be dangerous for Townies to do, as it helps mafia decide who they need to kill. Instead of role-claiming, you can character claim. While your character may hint at your role, it is still safer than full claiming.

2. Fake-claiming. Mafia normally have to fake claim their roles when forced to claim in theme-less games. In themed games they also have to fake claim characters. Arguably this is more difficult. In role-claiming, they simply have to avoid being counter-claimed. In character claiming, they have to claim a character from the theme, is consistent with their role, and is major enough to be expected (though not all characters in the game will be major).

3. Patterns. Usually, there will be some distinguishing factor between the different factions. Normally this is a good vs. evil type discrimination, but not always. Remember, the Mafia start the game knowing 1/3rd of the role PMs, so have a head start in discerning any patterns and obfuscating Town's ability to also learn it.

4. Mod Psychology. Creating a themed game, including writing PMs, requires more input from the mod. Based on analysis of the game's creation, how the role PMs are written, and any patterns discovered, you can try and determine how the game was constructed in an effort to hunt for scum. However, this is more of an art than a science. Mistakes and deliberately traps created by the mod can hinder such an analysis. Trying to predict the mod's psychology is a double edged sword.

This Game's Theme
HORROR MOVIE VILLAINS!

Good luck!
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3/12/2013 11:03:56 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Living Players:
1. Maikuru
2. ChubbyFatz
3. THEVIRUS
4. trekie
5. TSH
6. Skepsikyma
7. FourTrouble

With 7 players, it takes 4 votes to lynch.
This Day Phase will end no later than 11AM DDO Time, on 3/14.
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3/12/2013 11:08:34 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
This is counter-intuitive but I am an actual villain. Like, there are movies based on my character and named after my character with the premise being that I'm bad, but I win with the town.
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3/12/2013 12:17:10 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/12/2013 11:08:34 AM, Maikuru wrote:
This is counter-intuitive but I am an actual villain. Like, there are movies based on my character and named after my character with the premise being that I'm bad, but I win with the town.

Same- Everyone is an evil person but only some are "truely evil"
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3/12/2013 3:31:58 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
What is the mo when it comes to claiming in these sorts of games?
"See now Oblivion shimmering all around us, its very tranquility deadlier than tempest. How little all our keels have troubled it."
- Lord Dunsany -

"Over her head the stars, the thoughts of God in the heavens,
Shone on the eyes of man, who had ceased to marvel and worship"
- Henry Longfellow -

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- Thomas Carlyle -
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3/12/2013 5:13:09 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
VTL Maikuru
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3/12/2013 6:33:23 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/12/2013 3:31:58 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
What is the mo when it comes to claiming in these sorts of games?

Well, every game is different and it's important to understand the ebb and flow that comes with each theme, mod, and group of players. A general rule of thumb, though, is that Fourtrouble votes to lynch me and we go from there lol.

I'm the creature from the Black Lagoon, otherwise known as Gill-Man apparently.
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3/12/2013 6:36:25 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/12/2013 6:34:40 PM, Maikuru wrote:
VTL Chubby for claim

Claiming is boring, let's kill him instead?
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3/12/2013 6:37:30 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/12/2013 6:36:25 PM, FourTrouble wrote:
At 3/12/2013 6:34:40 PM, Maikuru wrote:
VTL Chubby for claim

Claiming is boring, let's kill him instead?

Well he is a villain, after all.
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3/12/2013 6:38:38 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Seriously, I just want to kill someone already. I don't care who, I don't care why, I just want blood.
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3/12/2013 6:38:46 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/12/2013 6:37:30 PM, Maikuru wrote:
At 3/12/2013 6:36:25 PM, FourTrouble wrote:
At 3/12/2013 6:34:40 PM, Maikuru wrote:
VTL Chubby for claim

Claiming is boring, let's kill him instead?

Well he is a villain, after all.

Tru Dat ^
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3/12/2013 6:39:25 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/12/2013 3:31:58 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
What is the mo when it comes to claiming in these sorts of games?

Seriously, though, from what I've read, a handful of character claims are obtained on day one. I say character claims rather than role claims because of what drafter clarified in the OP concerning mafia targets. With a handful of claims, the hope is that a theme can be discovered that would both help identify townies and isolate scum. Whether the day then ends in a NL or a lynch flows from the results obtained, behavior, what have you.
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3/12/2013 6:40:16 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
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Tarantulas!
"So you want me to go to the judge with 'unit, corps, God, country'?" - A Few Good Men

"And the hits just keep on comin'." -A Few Good Men
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3/12/2013 6:41:14 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/12/2013 6:40:16 PM, THEVIRUS wrote:
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Tarantulas!

Lynch this pathetic thing already, please.

unvote VTL THEVIRUS
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3/12/2013 6:42:25 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/12/2013 6:39:25 PM, Maikuru wrote:
At 3/12/2013 3:31:58 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
What is the mo when it comes to claiming in these sorts of games?

Seriously, though, from what I've read, a handful of character claims are obtained on day one. I say character claims rather than role claims because of what drafter clarified in the OP concerning mafia targets. With a handful of claims, the hope is that a theme can be discovered that would both help identify townies and isolate scum. Whether the day then ends in a NL or a lynch flows from the results obtained, behavior, what have you.

I got count Dracula.

Almost-Said-Count-Vader-Not-Count-Dracula-Star-Wars WIN

Tarantulas
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3/12/2013 6:43:32 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/12/2013 6:41:14 PM, FourTrouble wrote:
At 3/12/2013 6:40:16 PM, THEVIRUS wrote:
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Tarantulas!

Lynch this pathetic thing already, please.

unvote VTL THEVIRUS

Sorry it was stuck in my head!
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"And the hits just keep on comin'." -A Few Good Men
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3/12/2013 6:44:29 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
VTL THEVIRUS for the excessive use of periods.
"See now Oblivion shimmering all around us, its very tranquility deadlier than tempest. How little all our keels have troubled it."
- Lord Dunsany -

"Over her head the stars, the thoughts of God in the heavens,
Shone on the eyes of man, who had ceased to marvel and worship"
- Henry Longfellow -

"We enjoy, we see nothing by direct vision; but only by reflection, and in anatomical dismemberment."
- Thomas Carlyle -
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3/12/2013 6:48:19 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/12/2013 6:45:14 PM, drafterman wrote:
@VIRUS:
Don't do that, or anything like it, again.

@Everyone:
No one is to quote that post.


*<l:ul its santa!
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3/12/2013 6:48:30 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/12/2013 6:39:25 PM, Maikuru wrote:
At 3/12/2013 3:31:58 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
What is the mo when it comes to claiming in these sorts of games?

Seriously, though, from what I've read, a handful of character claims are obtained on day one. I say character claims rather than role claims because of what drafter clarified in the OP concerning mafia targets. With a handful of claims, the hope is that a theme can be discovered that would both help identify townies and isolate scum. Whether the day then ends in a NL or a lynch flows from the results obtained, behavior, what have you.

I claim Dr. Mirakle.
"See now Oblivion shimmering all around us, its very tranquility deadlier than tempest. How little all our keels have troubled it."
- Lord Dunsany -

"Over her head the stars, the thoughts of God in the heavens,
Shone on the eyes of man, who had ceased to marvel and worship"
- Henry Longfellow -

"We enjoy, we see nothing by direct vision; but only by reflection, and in anatomical dismemberment."
- Thomas Carlyle -
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3/12/2013 6:48:56 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Unvote
"See now Oblivion shimmering all around us, its very tranquility deadlier than tempest. How little all our keels have troubled it."
- Lord Dunsany -

"Over her head the stars, the thoughts of God in the heavens,
Shone on the eyes of man, who had ceased to marvel and worship"
- Henry Longfellow -

"We enjoy, we see nothing by direct vision; but only by reflection, and in anatomical dismemberment."
- Thomas Carlyle -
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3/12/2013 6:49:58 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/12/2013 6:47:40 PM, TSH wrote:
At 3/12/2013 6:44:29 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
VTL THEVIRUS for the excessive use of periods.

VTL TheVirus.

FUK! GODDAMMIT! I get accused last game of not being random and I die

I get accused this game for being random again.

Da fuq do people hate me so fukin much?
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3/12/2013 6:51:21 PM
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At 3/12/2013 6:48:56 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
Unvote

*wipes sweat from brow* god, I swear I will never us periods again...

I might use something else tho ;)

Its good to be back!
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3/12/2013 6:51:59 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/12/2013 6:51:21 PM, THEVIRUS wrote:
At 3/12/2013 6:48:56 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
Unvote

*wipes sweat from brow* god, I swear I will never use periods again...

I might use something else tho ;)

Its good to be back!

*fixed
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3/12/2013 6:52:07 PM
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At 3/12/2013 6:50:21 PM, TSH wrote:
At 3/12/2013 6:48:56 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
Unvote

Why?

As fun as it would be, we ought to get some character claims first.
"See now Oblivion shimmering all around us, its very tranquility deadlier than tempest. How little all our keels have troubled it."
- Lord Dunsany -

"Over her head the stars, the thoughts of God in the heavens,
Shone on the eyes of man, who had ceased to marvel and worship"
- Henry Longfellow -

"We enjoy, we see nothing by direct vision; but only by reflection, and in anatomical dismemberment."
- Thomas Carlyle -
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3/12/2013 6:52:58 PM
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At 3/12/2013 6:52:07 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 3/12/2013 6:50:21 PM, TSH wrote:
At 3/12/2013 6:48:56 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
Unvote

Why?

As fun as it would be, we ought to get some character claims first.

... fuk u guys
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3/12/2013 6:53:40 PM
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