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FourTrouble
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3/15/2013 11:02:15 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Bull was mod-killed.

Dead Players:

Logic - Nan Flanagan - You are the spokesperson for the American Vampire League. For as long as you are alive, vampires will investigate innocent. You win with the town.

TSH - Tara - You are the Bodyguard. You win with the town.

Guilty - Hoyt Fortenberry - Since you joined a vampire hate group, you are the Miller. You win with the town.

TUF replaces blackhawk.

Living Players:
1. Budda
2. Sarcastic
3. TV
4. Zaradi
5. Tulle
6. TA
7. TUF
8. Matt
9. 1E
10. Chubby

With 10 players alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline: March 19 at 11:00 PM
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3/15/2013 11:06:49 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Wait... Guilty was Hoyt? Yet didnt CC Tulle? That doesnt make sense.
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3/15/2013 11:07:28 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
And if Bull was mod-killed shouldnt he be revealed?
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3/15/2013 11:48:17 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Ok I've reread day 1. The only thing I can think about is either tulle and guilty being in some townsided group who can talk at night? Is that possible? Maybe they planned it? Or unless guilty missed tulle's claim and didn't CC but I doubt that considering two people are controlling that account.

I rally don't know what to think.

Regarding to night phase deaths I think it's one of two things either 1. A vigilante or serial killer of sorts or 2. Could be someone who possibly has something similar to me except I was on TV and Bull last night.

Can someone give some insight about a townsided cult or something? Maybe all the millers are in fact telling the truth?
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3/15/2013 11:59:34 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Chubbz, how were you on Bull when he was already dead?

Heres my thoughts on Guilty's flip. There is no way he(they) missed Tulle claimig Hoyt. There some fvckery going on with the OP's, and it coincides with what Guilty said last DP, that info in the OP was not to be trusted.

OP's include player flips and reveals upon death.
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"No honey, he was the darkness"

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3/16/2013 12:01:38 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Gah. I need to read DP1 again if any of this is gonna make the slightest bit of sense.
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3/16/2013 12:02:22 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/15/2013 11:59:34 PM, Buddamoose wrote:
Chubbz, how were you on Bull when he was already dead?

Heres my thoughts on Guilty's flip. There is no way he(they) missed Tulle claimig Hoyt. There some fvckery going on with the OP's, and it coincides with what Guilty said last DP, that info in the OP was not to be trusted.

OP's include player flips and reveals upon death.

At the beginning of the day I am on 2.

When u say something fishy about the op are u saying that the results may not always be accurate? Like it might not be a certain persons role or character?
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3/16/2013 12:06:12 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/16/2013 12:02:22 AM, ChubbyFatz wrote:
At 3/15/2013 11:59:34 PM, Buddamoose wrote:
Chubbz, how were you on Bull when he was already dead?

Heres my thoughts on Guilty's flip. There is no way he(they) missed Tulle claimig Hoyt. There some fvckery going on with the OP's, and it coincides with what Guilty said last DP, that info in the OP was not to be trusted.

OP's include player flips and reveals upon death.


At the beginning of the day I am on 2.

When u say something fishy about the op are u saying that the results may not always be accurate? Like it might not be a certain persons role or character?

Dude, how am I supposed to know what Guilty met? Are you just going to ignore my question? How were you "on" Bull_Diesel, in regards to your role, when he was already dead?
"Reality is an illusion created due to a lack of alcohol"
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"You were the moon all this time, and he was always there to make you shine."

"Was he the sun?"

"No honey, he was the darkness"

-Kazekirion
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3/16/2013 12:06:42 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/15/2013 11:59:34 PM, Buddamoose wrote:
Chubbz, how were you on Bull when he was already dead?

Heres my thoughts on Guilty's flip. There is no way he(they) missed Tulle claimig Hoyt. There some fvckery going on with the OP's, and it coincides with what Guilty said last DP, that info in the OP was not to be trusted.

OP's include player flips and reveals upon death.

Fvck, you got a point there. Who'da thunk FT'd be a bastard mod /end sarcasm

anyway, I'm going to re-read DP1, make a drafter list, and hopefully by then I'll have a lead for us to go on.
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3/16/2013 12:07:43 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/16/2013 12:06:12 AM, Buddamoose wrote:
At 3/16/2013 12:02:22 AM, ChubbyFatz wrote:
At 3/15/2013 11:59:34 PM, Buddamoose wrote:
Chubbz, how were you on Bull when he was already dead?

Heres my thoughts on Guilty's flip. There is no way he(they) missed Tulle claimig Hoyt. There some fvckery going on with the OP's, and it coincides with what Guilty said last DP, that info in the OP was not to be trusted.

OP's include player flips and reveals upon death.


At the beginning of the day I am on 2.

When u say something fishy about the op are u saying that the results may not always be accurate? Like it might not be a certain persons role or character?

Dude, how am I supposed to know what Guilty met? Are you just going to ignore my question? How were you "on" Bull_Diesel, in regards to your role, when he was already dead?

I answered it on the first line. At the beginning of the day I choose 2. Scroll up.
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3/16/2013 12:11:57 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Fvcks sake Chubby, you're making no sense. Just for fvcking clarification so we can understand what you're saying:

VTL Chubby for full claim + paraphrased role PM

'Cuz right now what you're saying is you were "on" Bull. Seeing as Bull was dead, I'm unsure how you could be "on" him.
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3/16/2013 12:13:34 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/16/2013 12:11:57 AM, Zaradi wrote:
Fvcks sake Chubby, you're making no sense. Just for fvcking clarification so we can understand what you're saying:

VTL Chubby for full claim + paraphrased role PM

'Cuz right now what you're saying is you were "on" Bull. Seeing as Bull was dead, I'm unsure how you could be "on" him.

Basically, what I think he is saying, is at the beginning of the dayphase he had to pick two targets. One of which was Bull, so even though Bull died, he was stuck with the choice
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"You were the moon all this time, and he was always there to make you shine."

"Was he the sun?"

"No honey, he was the darkness"

-Kazekirion
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3/16/2013 12:18:48 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
No it can't be that because he said he was on TV and Bull LAST NIGHT. That's what's got me scratching my head.
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3/16/2013 12:21:29 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/16/2013 12:18:48 AM, Zaradi wrote:
No it can't be that because he said he was on TV and Bull LAST NIGHT.

And how does having to pick role-targets at the beginning of the DP, conflict with those actions occuring during the NP?

That's what's got me scratching my head.
"Reality is an illusion created due to a lack of alcohol"
-Airmax1227

"You were the moon all this time, and he was always there to make you shine."

"Was he the sun?"

"No honey, he was the darkness"

-Kazekirion
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3/16/2013 12:22:30 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
I still think that for those who haven't character claimed, a race claim would be a good idea. Especially with all the millers and investigation modifiers flying around, knowing something that can help people figure out their a** from their face is a good idea.
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3/16/2013 12:22:33 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Well_... that absolutely blows.

I'm agreed with B.moose on Guilty's role.. at first I was thinking mafia might've somehow fcked with it (and was coming up with all kinds of conspiracy theories), but it makes much more sense given that Guilty had talked about OP's not being trustworthy.

Also, Tulle stands about as confirmed as you can get I think... For beyond just having her role pop up in this manner, Nan Flanagan being Town means that this game Definitely doesn't have The Authority/Vampire Leaders themed as Mafia..

It would seem the other sensible way for it to go would be to have Marnie & Vampire killing coven be mafia

I also now think it's pretty damn for sure that TV's not mafia :/
I can't see him giving away Marnie and co as Mafia early on DP1 without substantial pressure..
I could still see him possibly as 3rd party...

Also, LoRails.. You have my apologies :/
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3/16/2013 12:23:20 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/16/2013 12:21:29 AM, Buddamoose wrote:
At 3/16/2013 12:18:48 AM, Zaradi wrote:
No it can't be that because he said he was on TV and Bull LAST NIGHT.

And how does having to pick role-targets at the beginning of the DP, conflict with those actions occuring during the NP?

Because Bull got modkilled DP1. He wasn't alive for the NP. How could he get targeted if he was already dead? And if he can, I wanna know wtf is going on.

That's what's got me scratching my head.
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3/16/2013 12:24:23 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
I didn't mean night phase. When I pick my targets at the beginning of the day depending on what happens at night something will happen.

This is kinda why I didn't want to claim day one because I didn't want to let go of to much info.
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3/16/2013 12:27:31 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/16/2013 12:24:23 AM, ChubbyFatz wrote:
I didn't mean night phase. When I pick my targets at the beginning of the day depending on what happens at night something will happen.

you're saying you had to pick targets at the beginning of DP1?
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3/16/2013 12:30:22 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/16/2013 12:22:33 AM, mattrodstrom wrote:
Well_... that absolutely blows.

I'm agreed with B.moose on Guilty's role.. at first I was thinking mafia might've somehow fcked with it (and was coming up with all kinds of conspiracy theories), but it makes much more sense given that Guilty had talked about OP's not being trustworthy.

Also, Tulle stands about as confirmed as you can get I think... For beyond just having her role pop up in this manner,

Fvcking no she isn't. Going down this path just descends us into an infinite regress of WIFOM. Mafia might tailor the role to make it look like she's caught as a way to convince town she's being framed, and thus confirming her. But also mafia, knowing that, would do that if tulle was mafia so she could get confirmed and wouldn't take any more flak. It's uber WIFOM. Hardly confirmed.

Nan Flanagan being Town means that this game Definitely doesn't have The Authority/Vampire Leaders themed as Mafia..

It would seem the other sensible way for it to go would be to have Marnie & Vampire killing coven be mafia

I also now think it's pretty damn for sure that TV's not mafia :/
I can't see him giving away Marnie and co as Mafia early on DP1 without substantial pressure..
I could still see him possibly as 3rd party...

Also, LoRails.. You have my apologies :/

This entire post gives me a raging scum read on you. There's absolutely nothing to this post. The only non-fluff thing you talk about here is that you think tulle is confirmed. The rest is downey-soft fluff. I want your full claim:

Unvote VTL Matt
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3/16/2013 12:32:32 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/16/2013 12:23:20 AM, Zaradi wrote:
At 3/16/2013 12:21:29 AM, Buddamoose wrote:
At 3/16/2013 12:18:48 AM, Zaradi wrote:
No it can't be that because he said he was on TV and Bull LAST NIGHT.

And how does having to pick role-targets at the beginning of the DP, conflict with those actions occuring during the NP?

Because Bull got modkilled DP1. He wasn't alive for the NP. How could he get targeted if he was already dead? And if he can, I wanna know wtf is going on.

Ok, let me try to go through this step by step:

1) TSH picks two targets at the beginning of the DP
2) One of those targets dies during the course of the DP for whatever reason
3) TSH's night actions occur after day phase is over

Now obviously, his action on the dead players doesnt occur(unless it does TSH?) because that player is already dead. But because that player dies, he is stuck, being unable to pick another target to replace the one that died.

That's what's got me scratching my head.
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"Was he the sun?"

"No honey, he was the darkness"

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3/16/2013 12:33:53 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/16/2013 12:27:31 AM, mattrodstrom wrote:
At 3/16/2013 12:24:23 AM, ChubbyFatz wrote:
I didn't mean night phase. When I pick my targets at the beginning of the day depending on what happens at night something will happen.

you're saying you had to pick targets at the beginning of DP1?

Before every day phase the mod asks to pick 2 people. The first time I picked it was based on nothing to go off on because I had no idea of anyone here and that's why I randomly chose TV and bull.
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3/16/2013 12:37:16 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
@Zaradi, ur jumping the gun on Matt. He doesnt need to claim. That post wasnt fluffy, it just kinda used poor reasoning in regards to Tulle. Yes his reasoning for why Tulle is town boils down to WIFOM, but its a conclusion anyone couldve honestly made, and given this is his first game in awhile, I would think it understandable he'd come out with something like that
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"You were the moon all this time, and he was always there to make you shine."

"Was he the sun?"

"No honey, he was the darkness"

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3/16/2013 12:37:18 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/16/2013 12:32:32 AM, Buddamoose wrote:
At 3/16/2013 12:23:20 AM, Zaradi wrote:
At 3/16/2013 12:21:29 AM, Buddamoose wrote:
At 3/16/2013 12:18:48 AM, Zaradi wrote:
No it can't be that because he said he was on TV and Bull LAST NIGHT.

And how does having to pick role-targets at the beginning of the DP, conflict with those actions occuring during the NP?

Because Bull got modkilled DP1. He wasn't alive for the NP. How could he get targeted if he was already dead? And if he can, I wanna know wtf is going on.

Ok, let me try to go through this step by step:

1) TSH picks two targets at the beginning of the DP
2) One of those targets dies during the course of the DP for whatever reason
3) TSH's night actions occur after day phase is over

Now obviously, his action on the dead players doesnt occur(unless it does TSH?) because that player is already dead. But because that player dies, he is stuck, being unable to pick another target to replace the one that died.

That's what's got me scratching my head.

Bull being modkilled was coincidence and had nothing to do with my actions. I always have two targets what happens at night depends on certain things happening.
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3/16/2013 12:38:35 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/16/2013 12:35:43 AM, Zaradi wrote:
Budda, where did he claim that the targets died?

Wut?
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"Was he the sun?"

"No honey, he was the darkness"

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3/16/2013 12:43:24 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Budda, this was your explanation of Chubby's role:

"1) TSH picks two targets at the beginning of the DP
2) One of those targets dies during the course of the DP for whatever reason
3) TSH's night actions occur after day phase is over"

Reading the posts so far, Chubby made no indication that a target died. Yet you're saying the target dies. My question is how do you know this?
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3/16/2013 12:44:20 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/16/2013 12:43:24 AM, Zaradi wrote:
Budda, this was your explanation of Chubby's role:

"1) TSH picks two targets at the beginning of the DP
2) One of those targets dies during the course of the DP for whatever reason
3) TSH's night actions occur after day phase is over"

Reading the posts so far, Chubby made no indication that a target died. Yet you're saying the target dies. My question is how do you know this?

Actually, I'm gonna consider this a slip.

Unvote VTL Budda
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3/16/2013 12:48:02 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/16/2013 12:30:22 AM, Zaradi wrote:
At 3/16/2013 12:22:33 AM, mattrodstrom wrote:
Well_... that absolutely blows.

I'm agreed with B.moose on Guilty's role.. at first I was thinking mafia might've somehow fcked with it (and was coming up with all kinds of conspiracy theories), but it makes much more sense given that Guilty had talked about OP's not being trustworthy.

Also, Tulle stands about as confirmed as you can get I think... For beyond just having her role pop up in this manner,

Fvcking no she isn't. Going down this path just descends us into an infinite regress of WIFOM. Mafia might tailor the role to make it look like she's caught as a way to convince town she's being framed, and thus confirming her. But also mafia, knowing that, would do that if tulle was mafia so she could get confirmed and wouldn't take any more flak. It's uber WIFOM. Hardly confirmed.

Nan Flanagan being Town means that this game Definitely doesn't have The Authority/Vampire Leaders themed as Mafia..

It would seem the other sensible way for it to go would be to have Marnie & Vampire killing coven be mafia

I also now think it's pretty damn for sure that TV's not mafia :/
I can't see him giving away Marnie and co as Mafia early on DP1 without substantial pressure..
I could still see him possibly as 3rd party...

Also, LoRails.. You have my apologies :/

This entire post gives me a raging scum read on you. There's absolutely nothing to this post. The only non-fluff thing you talk about here is that you think tulle is confirmed. The rest is downey-soft fluff. I want your full claim:

It was all the things I thought regarding what Nan-Flanigan being Town means...
What was Fluff beyond my saying sorry to LoR?

My analysis of Tulle is based upon her claimed role conforming to the apparent nature of the Mafia (Vamp haters/killers), as can be inferred from Nan Flanigan being town, And the fact that her role does appear Real b/c of OP happenings
(though now I'm starting to think maybe it's not just randomly switched, but if it were controlled by mafia than that could be fcked up, which I'd been starting to think of in my first post when I mentioned running through conspiracy theories about it, but then stopped considering when I read buddha's explanation that Guilty had mentioned it)

And My analysis of TV was solid... And I felt like I needed to explain my feelings on TV since I had been pushing for lynching him late DP1

Other than saying sorry to loR :/ What exactly was Fluff?
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