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5/16/2013 2:34:21 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
First thread: http://www.debate.org...

Second thread: http://www.debate.org...

Third thread: http://www.debate.org...

Hall of Records: http://www.debate.org...

Governor's Thread: http://www.debate.org...

Progressive Party: http://www.debate.org...

Conservative Party: http://www.debate.org...

Williams vs State of News: http://www.debate.org...

Wright vs State of News: http://www.debate.org...

Contested Laws: http://www.debate.org...

This thread marks the beginning of daytonanerd's first term as the second president of the USDDO.

May the odds be ever in your favor.
GRAND POOBAH OF DDO

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5/16/2013 7:13:05 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
So where were we?
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5/16/2013 9:31:30 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
FAREWELL ADDRESS:

Son of a b*tch that went by fast didnt it? Hard to believe that was three terms and that I had been president since late February (Exactly three months ago now). I know I could have run for a fourth term and probably would have won, but there is a line between being President and being a King, and having four terms crosses that line in my opinion. So I walked away after three terms of being president and honestly, I think it was the right call.

We did pretty good over the last three terms.... Passed an infrastructure bill, made the Supreme Court, we have States, we have a tax structure that I think makes sense, a Bill of Rights.... We now have all the basics that a country needs in order to grow, which marks success in my book, and Im more then happy to have that be my legacy as president.

Now however we are going to start getting into the real gritty stuff. Military, Social Security, Welfare, Education.... We are going to start getting into some really partisan matters and theres going to be a clash sooner or later. We are all pretty moderate and on the same page when it comes to the necessities a government needs, but when it comes down to real social issues people are going to start to get physical and confrontational. Its only a matter of time. Whatever happens though we can get through it. We are a nation who is not crippled by party lines and partisan voting which has plagued so many other countries before us, so as long as you people continue to vote with an open mind theres nothing we cant fix or accomplish as a nation.

Now for the past couple of days I have been working on a little project that I think everyone has been looking forward to. Over the past few days Ive been crafting national and state maps based on information that Governors provided in the Governors thread.... Governors who gave info about major cities got their own map while others who didnt commit to their position as Governor didnt get one. So without further ado, I present to everyone:

The map of the USoDDO: http://www.debate.org...

And here are some of the state maps:
State of Misc: http://www.debate.org...
State of Arts + Econ: http://www.debate.org...
State of Personal: http://www.debate.org...
State of Philosophy: http://www.debate.org...
State of Games: http://www.debate.org...
State of Religion: http://www.debate.org...
State of News: http://www.debate.org...
State of Sports + Tech: http://www.debate.org...

If you dont have a state map for the state you are governor of, just give info about major cities and I'll whip one up. Other then that, Enjoy and Good luck to Daytona :D
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5/16/2013 9:46:12 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Bravo, Mr.Bench you have done an excellant job that no one but you could have done.
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5/16/2013 3:41:20 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
The Establishment of a National Military Bill (E.N.M. Bill for short)

Article 1) The Federal government shall fund the establishment and maintenance of an Army, a Navy, an Air Force, A Special Operations Unit, and a National Reserve as the military.

Article 2) State governments shall maintain the right to establish national guards that they will have control over where the national government will not. The national government cannot force state national guards to serve in war.

Article 3) The size of each branch of the military for the nation shall be agreed upon between the President and Congress, and shall be set at the following defaults:

- (Total population size of the nation is about 115,000,000)
- Army: 600,000
- Navy: 400,000
- Air Force: 250,000
- Special Ops Units: 50,000

Article 4) The branches of the military shall be organized into the following:

- The Army is to consist of tanks and ground soldiers
- The Navy is to consist of sailors who will operate Submarines, Aircraft Carriers, Battleships, Destroyers, and other naval ships designed and built for national defense.
- The Airforce is to consist of pilots who will operate either fighters or bombers designed and built for national defense
- Special Ops is to consist of soldiers who will carry out missions that the other three branches are not immediately capable of completing. (Hostage retrieval for example)

Article 5) Only Congress can issue a declaration of war on another nation, and a vote of war needs 2/3rds majority to be enacted rather then a simply majority or 3/5ths vote. The president cannot veto a declaration of war by Congress. Congress however can only declare war if

- In response to a declaration of war from that nation-state;
- In response to a violent action against USoDDO people, property or land, that sanctioned, endorsed, or sponsored by the government of that nation-state (actions committed by members of government are automatically considered to be sanctioned, endorsed, or sponsored by the government of that nation-state)
- If acting preemptively, only in such a case where there is a likely and imminent threat of such magnitude as to leave USoDDO unable to sustain itself or respond meaningfully should it be realized; and
- If after sincere attempts at diplomatic resolutions have failed.

Article 6) Wars declared by Congress shall remain valid as long as justification to remain at war persists and until the USoDDO accepts terms of surrender offered by the opponent nation-state(s)

Article 7) The president can only use executive orders to move or station troops overseas, and may not move more then 20,000 troops to any one nation. If the president uses an executive order to engage in a foreign conflict without Congressional approval, then that is an impeachable offence.

Article 8) Soldiers who enlist in the military can choose to enlist as either on-duty, off-duty, or as a reserve

- On-duty soldiers are to spend half of the year stationed in a base either within national borders or overseas, and the other half of the year may stay in their own homes. On duty soldiers are the first to be called to fight in the event of war.

- Off-duty soldiers are to spend 1/4th of the year stationed in a base either within national borders or overseas, and the other 3/4ths of the year may stay in their own homes. Off-duty soldiers are the second to be called to fight in the event of war, but wont receive the same benefits that on-duty soldiers receive.

- Reserves do not spend any time in a base or a fort and stay in their own homes throughout the year. Reserves are the third to be called to fight in the event of war should both on-duty and off-duty troops be fully utilized, but reserves receive even less benefits then on-duty or off-duty soldiers receive.

Article 9) Soldier benefits

- On duty soldiers will be granted free healthcare, will be exempted from 60% of all taxes, and granted an income of $60,000 a year

- Off duty soldiers will be exempted from 50% of healthcare expenses, will be exempted from 40% of all taxes, and granted an income of $50,000 a year

- Reserves are exempted from 10% of healthcare expenses, will be exempted from 10% of all taxes, and will be granted $5,000 a year (meaning that reserves will still have to get a job for their salary and wont be living off the government)

Article 10) A Central Intelligence Agency is to be established whose job is to collect and store any and all information they receive or gather that includes:
- Troop movements and current locations
- Buildings or structures that may be housing people of interest, weapons, etc
- Suspected spies, their locations, nationalities, aliases, etc
- Notable international criminals, their locations, nationalities, aliases, etc
- Suspected terrorists, their locations, nationalities, aliases, etc
- Weapons being developed, tested, and/or utilized by foreign militaries
- Any other information that relates to a direct threat to national safety and/or security, 'direct' meaning lives are at stake.

Article 11) The Central Intelligence Agency is required to share information with other federal agencies if those agencies believe the info is relevant to helping them carry out their jobs of domestic security and safety. The CIA is also required to give up any information to Congress should they request it.

Article 12) Troops have the lawful right to disobey an order that goes against the rules of warfare. Instances include, but are not limited to:

- Massacre/rape of civilians
- Mutilation/torture
- Wanton destruction of property, especially where the property is culturally/religiously important or essential to the survival and/or general well-being of the people
- Killing civilians intentionally
- Gross negligence that will lead to many civilian deaths
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Geogeer: "Nobody is dumb enough to become my protege."

7/14/16 = The Presidency Dies

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5/16/2013 8:10:34 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/16/2013 3:41:20 PM, imabench wrote:
The Establishment of a National Military Bill (E.N.M. Bill for short)

Article 1) The Federal government shall fund the establishment and maintenance of an Army, a Navy, an Air Force, A Special Operations Unit, and a National Reserve as the military.

Article 2) State governments shall maintain the right to establish national guards that they will have control over where the national government will not. The national government cannot force state national guards to serve in war.

Article 3) The size of each branch of the military for the nation shall be agreed upon between the President and Congress, and shall be set at the following defaults:

- (Total population size of the nation is about 115,000,000)
- Army: 600,000
- Navy: 400,000
- Air Force: 250,000
- Special Ops Units: 50,000

Article 4) The branches of the military shall be organized into the following:

- The Army is to consist of tanks and ground soldiers
- The Navy is to consist of sailors who will operate Submarines, Aircraft Carriers, Battleships, Destroyers, and other naval ships designed and built for national defense.
- The Airforce is to consist of pilots who will operate either fighters or bombers designed and built for national defense
- Special Ops is to consist of soldiers who will carry out missions that the other three branches are not immediately capable of completing. (Hostage retrieval for example)

Article 5) Only Congress can issue a declaration of war on another nation, and a vote of war needs 2/3rds majority to be enacted rather then a simply majority or 3/5ths vote. The president cannot veto a declaration of war by Congress. Congress however can only declare war if

- In response to a declaration of war from that nation-state;
- In response to a violent action against USoDDO people, property or land, that sanctioned, endorsed, or sponsored by the government of that nation-state (actions committed by members of government are automatically considered to be sanctioned, endorsed, or sponsored by the government of that nation-state)
- If acting preemptively, only in such a case where there is a likely and imminent threat of such magnitude as to leave USoDDO unable to sustain itself or respond meaningfully should it be realized; and
- If after sincere attempts at diplomatic resolutions have failed.

Article 6) Wars declared by Congress shall remain valid as long as justification to remain at war persists and until the USoDDO accepts terms of surrender offered by the opponent nation-state(s)

Article 7) The president can only use executive orders to move or station troops overseas, and may not move more then 20,000 troops to any one nation. If the president uses an executive order to engage in a foreign conflict without Congressional approval, then that is an impeachable offence.

Article 8) Soldiers who enlist in the military can choose to enlist as either on-duty, off-duty, or as a reserve

- On-duty soldiers are to spend half of the year stationed in a base either within national borders or overseas, and the other half of the year may stay in their own homes. On duty soldiers are the first to be called to fight in the event of war.

- Off-duty soldiers are to spend 1/4th of the year stationed in a base either within national borders or overseas, and the other 3/4ths of the year may stay in their own homes. Off-duty soldiers are the second to be called to fight in the event of war, but wont receive the same benefits that on-duty soldiers receive.

- Reserves do not spend any time in a base or a fort and stay in their own homes throughout the year. Reserves are the third to be called to fight in the event of war should both on-duty and off-duty troops be fully utilized, but reserves receive even less benefits then on-duty or off-duty soldiers receive.

Article 9) Soldier benefits

- On duty soldiers will be granted free healthcare, will be exempted from 60% of all taxes, and granted an income of $60,000 a year

- Off duty soldiers will be exempted from 50% of healthcare expenses, will be exempted from 40% of all taxes, and granted an income of $50,000 a year

- Reserves are exempted from 10% of healthcare expenses, will be exempted from 10% of all taxes, and will be granted $5,000 a year (meaning that reserves will still have to get a job for their salary and wont be living off the government)

Article 10) A Central Intelligence Agency is to be established whose job is to collect and store any and all information they receive or gather that includes:
- Troop movements and current locations
- Buildings or structures that may be housing people of interest, weapons, etc
- Suspected spies, their locations, nationalities, aliases, etc
- Notable international criminals, their locations, nationalities, aliases, etc
- Suspected terrorists, their locations, nationalities, aliases, etc
- Weapons being developed, tested, and/or utilized by foreign militaries
- Any other information that relates to a direct threat to national safety and/or security, 'direct' meaning lives are at stake.

Article 11) The Central Intelligence Agency is required to share information with other federal agencies if those agencies believe the info is relevant to helping them carry out their jobs of domestic security and safety. The CIA is also required to give up any information to Congress should they request it.

Article 12) Troops have the lawful right to disobey an order that goes against the rules of warfare. Instances include, but are not limited to:

- Massacre/rape of civilians
- Mutilation/torture
- Wanton destruction of property, especially where the property is culturally/religiously important or essential to the survival and/or general well-being of the people
- Killing civilians intentionally
- Gross negligence that will lead to many civilian deaths

personally like yours over what citra posted because there was more in their than we even talked about
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5/16/2013 9:16:34 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/16/2013 8:40:23 PM, LogicalMaddog wrote:
So what are we to do first?

I OFFICIALLY PROPOSE THE DROPPING OF IMPEACHMENT CHARGES AGAINST CYBERTRON

That thing has been going on forever now and at this point we might as well just get it over with and dismiss all the charges....

Current Vote count for Trial of Impeachment of Cybertron from Governor:

Yay's: (5/9) Frackjack, lannan13, citrakayah, Antidoter, AMTY
Nay's: (6/8) Logicalmaddog, Budda, Atheist, toolpot, Orange, Imabench

Daytona is pres so he cant vote now and Ill vote nay just to end this thing, if two people could change their vote to nay then we can focus on Lannan's trial and then start voting on bills and stuff
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Geogeer: "Nobody is dumb enough to become my protege."

7/14/16 = The Presidency Dies

DDO: THE MOVIE = http://www.debate.org...
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VP of DDO from Dec 14th 2014 to Jan 1st 2015
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5/16/2013 9:19:17 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
VOTE NAY on cybertron's impeachment
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5/16/2013 9:20:29 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Current Vote count for Trial of Impeachment of Cybertron from Governor:

Yay's: (4/9) Frackjack, lannan13, citrakayah, AMTY
Nay's: (7/8) Logicalmaddog, Budda, Atheist, toolpot, Orange, Imabench, Antidoter
Kevin24018 : "He's just so mean it makes me want to ball up my fists and stamp on the ground"
Geogeer: "Nobody is dumb enough to become my protege."

7/14/16 = The Presidency Dies

DDO: THE MOVIE = http://www.debate.org...
http://www.debate.org...

VP of DDO from Dec 14th 2014 to Jan 1st 2015
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5/16/2013 10:29:04 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I'm sorry for the long delay in this. I have been preparing for a talent show that happened tonight. People liked my act the best.

Anyways, here is my Inauguration Address/State of the Union.

As you all know, I have been elected to become USODDO"s second president. I"d like to take a moment to talk about our first president. Imabench was the president that the USODDO needed for it"s first. He was an effective leader, and got people on the right track. Under the tenure of Imabench, the USODDO has a stable base to build upon for future years. Now, let"s talk about the successors. Some successors to the first are good, like John Adams. Others are... Not so good, like Kim Jong Il. Some manage to be controversial, like Josef Stalin. I, however, am not concerned if I am regarded as bad, or good. My concern is the state of our country. My only concern is to get this country to a nation of great prosperity. This brings me to the State of the Union. Imabench has left our country in a good state. However, this does not mean that we can"t make things better. The most pressing issue, in my mind, is our lack of a military. We are an island of 150 million+ people in the Pacific Ocean. Yet, we do not have a military at all. Now, two schools of thought have come about. The first school thinks that, well, we don"t need a military, only a militia. I can tell you why this school of thought is erroneous. This school assumes that we will have no outside world to deal with, and that a military is unnecessary for only our own country. However, we don"t live in an invincible bubble. It has been established that we are an island in the Pacific Ocean. Imabench has made the map. It is proven. The second school of thought is the one I am a part of. This school thinks that we need a military for the defense of our great country, and to protect our citizens. This is the school that should prevail in the end. Speaking of schools, that brings us to another issue. We need to build up our education system. I am unfamiliar on how to handle this issue properly thug, and will seek to others to make a bill. There are other issues that need to be addressed, like welfare, Social Security, Health Care, etc. Finally, I know we have a lor of things to do, but I want to change things up a little bit. I think that the best way we can tackle an issue is to focus on it. So, I want to institute a way of focus into the game. We should only focus on 1 to 2 topics at a time. These topics will be determined by group consensus. I personally think the first issue should be the military, but i'll request the opinion of the group. When a topic is on the floor, people should make bills for the topic, and people should be debating and questioning things about the topic. The best things come from debate and questioning. The State of the Union is good, but we are not even close to done.

Let's get things done this term!
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5/16/2013 10:30:06 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/16/2013 10:16:55 PM, FREEDO wrote:
The E.N.M bill is way out of line and I will not settle for it.

If the ENM bill is not passed, I will veto your superbill. It's military procedures aren't enough for our country.
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5/16/2013 10:37:55 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/16/2013 10:30:06 PM, daytonanerd wrote:
At 5/16/2013 10:16:55 PM, FREEDO wrote:
The E.N.M bill is way out of line and I will not settle for it.

If the ENM bill is not passed, I will veto your superbill. It's military procedures aren't enough for our country.

A larger military can be created when it's necessary. Let's just take a step that way for now.
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5/16/2013 10:39:13 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/16/2013 10:37:55 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 5/16/2013 10:30:06 PM, daytonanerd wrote:
At 5/16/2013 10:16:55 PM, FREEDO wrote:
The E.N.M bill is way out of line and I will not settle for it.

If the ENM bill is not passed, I will veto your superbill. It's military procedures aren't enough for our country.

A larger military can be created when it's necessary. Let's just take a step that way for now.

It is necessary now. We are now part of the world, with the maps. A military is now completely necessary.
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5/16/2013 10:39:58 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Current list of Players:

1 Imabench
2 Freedo
3 Buddamoose
4 Citrakayah
5 Lannan13
6 The Antidoter
7 THEVIRUS
8 Alwaysmorethenyou
9 Agent Orange
10 Cybertron1998
11 Albinobunny
12 Daytonanerd
13 FrackJack
14 Sui
15 Toolpot
16 Just your average Atheist
17 LogicalMaddog
18 Drafterman

Just wanted to put this up.
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5/16/2013 10:40:42 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/16/2013 10:39:19 PM, FREEDO wrote:
And there's absolutely no place for creating a CIA.

Yes there is. We need intelligence on the affairs of foreign countries
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5/16/2013 10:41:24 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/16/2013 10:39:13 PM, daytonanerd wrote:
It is necessary now. We are now part of the world, with the maps. A military is now completely necessary.

How about we set up actual defenses? Shelters. Missile defense systems. A simple militia.

The only purpose for such an army is foreign invasion.

It's a waste of our money that comes with too high of a risk.

Lets focus on diplomacy.
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5/16/2013 10:44:06 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
When a country spends this much on a military, all the money is going to arms manufactures. This gives them ever increasing power and a direct incentive to expand wars of aggression.
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5/16/2013 10:44:21 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/16/2013 10:41:24 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 5/16/2013 10:39:13 PM, daytonanerd wrote:
It is necessary now. We are now part of the world, with the maps. A military is now completely necessary.

How about we set up actual defenses? Shelters. Missile defense systems. A simple militia.

This can be added to ENM.

The only purpose for such an army is foreign invasion.

If another country tries to invade us, a militia just won't do.

It's a waste of our money that comes with too high of a risk.

Lets focus on diplomacy.

You consider national defense a waste of money? We are a new country! Of course we need a military to defend us.
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5/16/2013 10:45:48 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/16/2013 10:44:06 PM, FREEDO wrote:
When a country spends this much on a military, all the money is going to arms manufactures. This gives them ever increasing power and a direct incentive to expand wars of aggression.

Wars of aggressions? Started by the gun companies? FREEDO, have you been smoking what Geo has been smoking?
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5/16/2013 11:03:26 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/16/2013 10:45:48 PM, daytonanerd wrote:
At 5/16/2013 10:44:06 PM, FREEDO wrote:
When a country spends this much on a military, all the money is going to arms manufactures. This gives them ever increasing power and a direct incentive to expand wars of aggression.

Wars of aggressions? Started by the gun companies? FREEDO, have you been smoking what Geo has been smoking?

The military industrial complex is a real thing. Nobody actually disputes that. Companies like Halliburton are huge political players.
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5/17/2013 8:41:47 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Here's the version of the Establishment of a National Military Bill I helped draw up.

Article 1) It is decided that a military is, in this modern era, necessary for the safety of the USSODDO.

Article 2) The military of the USSODDO shall be controlled by the President in wartime and Congress out of wartime. Congress shall have the power to, at any time, call for a trial of any military leader, including the President, to determine if their military actions are justified. If they can be proven to be unjustified to a degree that their ability to lead the military competently and ethically is called into question, they shall either be demoted or stripped of command.

Article 3) The military of the USSODDO may only be used for the following purposes:

- To conduct operations against organized crime when regular police forces are not sufficient (for instance, attempting a raid of an armed compound used by animal traffickers in the State of Society)

- To defend the waters and air space around the United States of Debate.Org from pirates and others who would threaten travel, commerce, or any other function that a reasonable individual would expect to be allowed to do

- To defend the United States of Debate.Org from outside attack

- To attack a target that is a clear and present danger. All individuals involved in the decision will be immediately put on trial after the operation is over. The trial shall establish if the action was or was not justified; if the action is determined not to be justified they shall either be turned over to international authorities or prosecuted by the United States of Debate.Org.

- To attack a target that is so systematically oppressing its people so that the United States of Debate.Org cannot stand by and allow such actions can continue. Examples of where this would be acceptable would be a repeat of the Holocaust or the Rwandian Genocide. Prior to attacking such a target, a plan must be drawn up for a peaceful transition, unless the operation is so time sensitive that there is no time.

- To support UN peacekeeping troops

- To provide humanitarian aid

- To aid in scientific research or testing

Article 4) Troops of the USSODDO are expected to serve their country in an ethical fashion. Those guilty of actions against citizens of another country will be tried as if they committed acts against citizens of the USSODDO.

As a corollary, troops have the lawful right to disobey an order that goes against the rules of warfare. Instances include, but are not limited to:

- Massacre/rape of civilians

- Mutilation/torture (enemy combatants are included in this clause [on the grounds that in the event where the situation is so dire as to justify torture, a true soldier ought to be willing to accept dishonorable discharge and jail time so as to not normalize such behavior--this bracketed text shall not be included in the final version])

- Wanton destruction of property, especially where the property is culturally/religiously important or essential to the survival and/or general well-being of the people

- Killing civilians intentionally

- Gross negligence that will lead to many civilian deaths

Article 5) Troops engaging in massacres, rapes, killings, or mutilations of civilians are to be treated as enemy combatants. If possible they are to be detained, arrested, and sent back to the USSODDO for trial and punishment. If it is not possible to do so, or doing so would put more individuals at risk, lethal force is authorized. Troops who are engaging in wanton destruction of property are to make restitution.

Any member of the military who does nothing to stop such actions will receive an immediate dishonorable discharge, and prison sentence of up to five years. Any member of the military who assists in covering up incidents such as the above will receive life imprisonment.

Article 6) The military shall be separated into four branches:

- The Navy shall be tasked with defending the oceans, both immediately above the waves, on them, and below them. Duties of the Navy shall include protecting the shores of the United States of Debate.Org from pirates, escorting vessels in dangerous waters, performing emergency rescue work at sea, being a testbed for new technology related to aquatic craft as needed (for instance, a Navy vessel can be requisitioned for testing the effects of different coatings on ship performance), and assisting as convenient in conducting scientific experiments requiring long periods of time spent on the ocean (such as climate monitoring, observing wildlife, etc.). The flagship of the Navy shall be named the D.D.O.S. Enterprise.

- The Air Force shall be tasked with defending the skies. Duties of the Air Force shall include reconnaissance, engaging enemy aerial forces, providing other branches of the military with air-based support, and providing as a test bed for new aeronautical technologies or designs as needed.

- The Army shall be tasked with engaging enemies of the United States of Debate.Org on land. Duties of the Army shall include providing ground support for police when necessary, conducting surveillance, assisting in evacuations, and engaging in ground combat.

- The Marines shall be tasked with amphibious missions. Duties of the Marines shall include securing beaches and conducting frogman operations.

Article 7) A draft may only be authorized in wartime when there is a clear and present need due to lack of volunteers. No draft may discriminate on the basis of sex, race, or any other status which it is illegal to discriminate against. All drafts shall include provisions for conscientious objectors to claim exclusion from drafting.

Article 8) The agency Article Eight is to be created, and charged with handling intelligence gathering operations, military testing, data analysis, and special operations. All Article Eight documents are to be made available for the public upon the end of a need for their concealment; an evaluation on the need for secrecy of a document must be performed within twenty years of that document's creation.

Article Eight is to be controlled by the President and Congress jointly. Rules of conduct similar to the military's apply to Article Eight.
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5/17/2013 9:29:58 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/16/2013 10:40:42 PM, daytonanerd wrote:
At 5/16/2013 10:39:19 PM, FREEDO wrote:
And there's absolutely no place for creating a CIA.

Yes there is. We need intelligence on the affairs of foreign countries

But there are no foreign countries, I talked to imabench about this and that I wanted a position like this and his response was that it wasn't needed.
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5/17/2013 9:53:48 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/17/2013 9:29:58 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 5/16/2013 10:40:42 PM, daytonanerd wrote:
At 5/16/2013 10:39:19 PM, FREEDO wrote:
And there's absolutely no place for creating a CIA.

Yes there is. We need intelligence on the affairs of foreign countries

But there are no foreign countries, I talked to imabench about this and that I wanted a position like this and his response was that it wasn't needed.

Because it was a useless position, not because there werent foreign countries....
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