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drafterman
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8/5/2013 1:28:49 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
The serial killer (TN05) kills Noctan while the remaining Mafia (John) kills TN05 and roleblocks Beginner. This leaves just John and Beginner, and the Mafia Wins!

I was hoping that TN05 and John would kill each other for a surprising Town Win, but oh well.

Dramatis Personae:
1. bladerunner - Miller - Town
2. Beginner - Jack of All Trades (1x Doc, 1x Cop, 1x Vig) - Town
3. Crypto - Cop - Town (Mod Note: Was Naive; would only get innocent investigations)
4. Cermank - Godfather - Town
5. Noctan - Odd-Night Watcher - Town
6. TN05 (Lannan) - Serial Killer - 3rd Party
7. JohnMilne (daytona) - Roleblocker - Mafia
8. HatStand - Doctor - Town

Analysis:
Beginner protected himself NP1 and HatStand protected Noctan NP1, negating both NKs. There was some good back-and-forth analysis and I liked the activity.

Players shouldn't be too concerned about winning and losing. I don't design these games to be balanced, I design them to give players the most exposure to the concepts they are most likely to experience in "real" games. Many of these games are, or can be, extremely biased toward Town or Mafia wins.

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8/5/2013 1:32:00 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/5/2013 1:28:49 PM, drafterman wrote:
The serial killer (TN05) kills Noctan while the remaining Mafia (John) kills TN05 and roleblocks Beginner. This leaves just John and Beginner, and the Mafia Wins!

I was hoping that TN05 and John would kill each other for a surprising Town Win, but oh well.

Dramatis Personae:
1. bladerunner - Miller - Town
2. Beginner - Jack of All Trades (1x Doc, 1x Cop, 1x Vig) - Town
3. Crypto - Cop - Town (Mod Note: Was Naive; would only get innocent investigations)
4. Cermank - Godfather - Mafia
5. Noctan - Odd-Night Watcher - Town
6. TN05 (Lannan) - Serial Killer - 3rd Party
7. JohnMilne (daytona) - Roleblocker - Mafia
8. HatStand - Doctor - Town

Analysis:
Beginner protected himself NP1 and HatStand protected Noctan NP1, negating both NKs. There was some good back-and-forth analysis and I liked the activity.

Players shouldn't be too concerned about winning and losing. I don't design these games to be balanced, I design them to give players the most exposure to the concepts they are most likely to experience in "real" games. Many of these games are, or can be, extremely biased toward Town or Mafia wins.

Don't fret, there is but a single game left in the series! You've almost made it!
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8/5/2013 1:35:33 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/5/2013 1:28:49 PM, drafterman wrote:
The serial killer (TN05) kills Noctan while the remaining Mafia (John) kills TN05 and roleblocks Beginner. This leaves just John and Beginner, and the Mafia Wins!

Darn you, Beginner! Once you said you would target Noctan, I was going to target John and get an easy win. Once you switched and targeted him, I went after Noctan. Should have expected mafia would have a roleblocker.
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8/5/2013 1:41:02 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/5/2013 1:28:49 PM, drafterman wrote:
Analysis:
Beginner protected himself NP1 and HatStand protected Noctan NP1, negating both NKs. There was some good back-and-forth analysis and I liked the activity.

Wait a second. I wanted to kill Daytona (John) day one. If HatStand protected Noctan, why did Daytona live?
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8/5/2013 1:47:16 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/5/2013 1:41:02 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 8/5/2013 1:28:49 PM, drafterman wrote:
Analysis:
Beginner protected himself NP1 and HatStand protected Noctan NP1, negating both NKs. There was some good back-and-forth analysis and I liked the activity.

Wait a second. I wanted to kill Daytona (John) day one. If HatStand protected Noctan, why did Daytona live?

That's actually a good question. Is that a typo on your part, Drafter?
drafterman
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8/5/2013 1:48:04 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/5/2013 1:41:02 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 8/5/2013 1:28:49 PM, drafterman wrote:
Analysis:
Beginner protected himself NP1 and HatStand protected Noctan NP1, negating both NKs. There was some good back-and-forth analysis and I liked the activity.

Wait a second. I wanted to kill Daytona (John) day one. If HatStand protected Noctan, why did Daytona live?

Sorry, HatStand did protect Daytona. I was going off of memory.
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8/5/2013 1:53:13 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/5/2013 1:50:19 PM, JonMilne wrote:
Incidentally, Drafter, how would you analyse my performance?

I'd like to know this as well. Not sure how well I performed compared to other serial killer performances.
Beginner
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8/5/2013 1:56:34 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
There's no question as to my performance.. it was horrid. I was utterly convinced by myself.. and I was utterly wrong.
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8/5/2013 2:00:37 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/5/2013 1:35:33 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 8/5/2013 1:28:49 PM, drafterman wrote:
The serial killer (TN05) kills Noctan while the remaining Mafia (John) kills TN05 and roleblocks Beginner. This leaves just John and Beginner, and the Mafia Wins!

Darn you, Beginner! Once you said you would target Noctan, I was going to target John and get an easy win. Once you switched and targeted him, I went after Noctan. Should have expected mafia would have a roleblocker.

yeah, I shouldn't have revealed the vigilante part.. at this point, I seriously thought Jon was SK, and was hoping he'd NK Noctan who I believed was mafia. Every single read I made was point on point, wronggggggggggggg holy beeswax. D':
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8/5/2013 2:04:09 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/5/2013 1:28:49 PM, drafterman wrote:
The serial killer (TN05) kills Noctan while the remaining Mafia (John) kills TN05 and roleblocks Beginner. This leaves just John and Beginner, and the Mafia Wins!

I was hoping that TN05 and John would kill each other for a surprising Town Win, but oh well.

Dramatis Personae:
1. bladerunner - Miller - Town
2. Beginner - Jack of All Trades (1x Doc, 1x Cop, 1x Vig) - Town
3. Crypto - Cop - Town (Mod Note: Was Naive; would only get innocent investigations)
4. Cermank - Godfather - Town
5. Noctan - Odd-Night Watcher - Town
6. TN05 (Lannan) - Serial Killer - 3rd Party
7. JohnMilne (daytona) - Roleblocker - Mafia
8. HatStand - Doctor - Town

Analysis:
Beginner protected himself NP1 and HatStand protected Noctan NP1, negating both NKs. There was some good back-and-forth analysis and I liked the activity.

Players shouldn't be too concerned about winning and losing. I don't design these games to be balanced, I design them to give players the most exposure to the concepts they are most likely to experience in "real" games. Many of these games are, or can be, extremely biased toward Town or Mafia wins.

Don't fret, there is but a single game left in the series! You've almost made it!
The people who I suspected the most turn out to be town, the two people I town-read turn out to be mafia, /ragequits. That said, I look forward to Beginner's 15.4. I seriously think everyone should participate as much as possible. We should start with role claims to get working analyses going.. then reads.
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drafterman
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8/5/2013 2:05:48 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/5/2013 1:50:19 PM, JonMilne wrote:
Incidentally, Drafter, how would you analyse my performance?

I'd say you did well. To be honest, I don't get down into the Walls-o-Text, as I'm mainly concentrating on the Vote Count and staying out of the game. Getting involved is important and I think players should be focused on activity and work on refining analyses as they get along.

This is the best batch of Beginners I've had so far.
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8/5/2013 2:07:08 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Guys please behave consistently. If we allow contradictory behavior, we're allowing the mafia to also act thus. The mafia can then make up a bunch of things to cover discrepancies at will without having to worry about being called on for inconsistency or contradiction. Inconsistency should not be tolerated. Please don't make inconsistent or unnecessary errors. Honestly, I'd jump on you immediately for them.
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8/5/2013 2:08:08 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/5/2013 2:07:08 PM, Beginner wrote:
Guys please behave consistently. If we allow contradictory behavior, we're allowing the mafia to also act thus. The mafia can then make up a bunch of things to cover discrepancies at will without having to worry about being called on for inconsistency or contradiction. Inconsistency should not be tolerated. Please don't make inconsistent or unnecessary errors. Honestly, I'd jump on you immediately for them.

Unless you have a very plausible, probable and believable explanation
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8/5/2013 3:28:49 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
We can't always control consistency, Beginner, nor should we want to.

I stand by my quiet-ness...I got to observe and participate without muddying the waters with a wall-o-my-own-analysis.

Plus I had no idea how to play the Miller, and I really was busy at work. (Side note: I had several real heart attacks, couple strokes, and a snake bite. It was an exciting tour).
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8/5/2013 3:53:42 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/5/2013 3:28:49 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
We can't always control consistency, Beginner, nor should we want to.
Then town shall never win.

I stand by my quiet-ness...I got to observe and participate without muddying the waters with a wall-o-my-own-analysis.
Quietness does not benefit the town. A lurker who lurks all game and doesn't actively give analysis is not helping the town find scum.

Plus I had no idea how to play the Miller, and I really was busy at work. (Side note: I had several real heart attacks, couple strokes, and a snake bite. It was an exciting tour).
Heart attacks and strokes? I'm sorry to hear that.. Are you a wilderness tourguide or something?
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8/5/2013 4:03:50 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/5/2013 3:53:42 PM, Beginner wrote:
At 8/5/2013 3:28:49 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
We can't always control consistency, Beginner, nor should we want to.
Then town shall never win.

Consistency in behavior is not the same as consistency in comments.

That you've been consistently accusatory doesn't work in yours, or the town's, favor. If you pull up mafia you'll just....stay accusatory.


I stand by my quiet-ness...I got to observe and participate without muddying the waters with a wall-o-my-own-analysis.
Quietness does not benefit the town. A lurker who lurks all game and doesn't actively give analysis is not helping the town find scum.

I actually did provide some analysis. That I didn't post in a flurry isn't necessarily harmful, any more than actually posting in a flurry necessarily helps; neither one of us did a bang-up job this round, your blustery confidence notwithstanding.

Plus I had no idea how to play the Miller, and I really was busy at work. (Side note: I had several real heart attacks, couple strokes, and a snake bite. It was an exciting tour).
Heart attacks and strokes? I'm sorry to hear that.. Are you a wilderness tourguide or something?

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8/5/2013 4:10:19 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/5/2013 2:08:08 PM, Beginner wrote:
At 8/5/2013 2:07:08 PM, Beginner wrote:
Guys please behave consistently. If we allow contradictory behavior, we're allowing the mafia to also act thus. The mafia can then make up a bunch of things to cover discrepancies at will without having to worry about being called on for inconsistency or contradiction. Inconsistency should not be tolerated. Please don't make inconsistent or unnecessary errors. Honestly, I'd jump on you immediately for them.

Unless you have a very plausible, probable and believable explanation
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drafterman
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8/5/2013 5:05:00 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/5/2013 3:18:58 PM, JonMilne wrote:
When can we expect 15.4 to begin?

I am pinging Rocket to replace Cermank. If he doesn't respond tonight I'll move down the list till I get to someone that will.
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8/5/2013 5:58:55 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/5/2013 5:05:00 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 8/5/2013 3:18:58 PM, JonMilne wrote:
When can we expect 15.4 to begin?

I am pinging Rocket to replace Cermank. If he doesn't respond tonight I'll move down the list till I get to someone that will.

Now that YYW is back, he might...
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drafterman
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8/5/2013 6:15:46 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/5/2013 5:58:55 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 8/5/2013 5:05:00 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 8/5/2013 3:18:58 PM, JonMilne wrote:
When can we expect 15.4 to begin?

I am pinging Rocket to replace Cermank. If he doesn't respond tonight I'll move down the list till I get to someone that will.

Now that YYW is back, he might...

YYW is dead to me. I'm removing my fake support for his non-bid to Presidency.
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8/5/2013 6:18:38 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/5/2013 6:15:46 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 8/5/2013 5:58:55 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 8/5/2013 5:05:00 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 8/5/2013 3:18:58 PM, JonMilne wrote:
When can we expect 15.4 to begin?

I am pinging Rocket to replace Cermank. If he doesn't respond tonight I'll move down the list till I get to someone that will.

Now that YYW is back, he might...

YYW is dead to me.

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8/6/2013 5:33:37 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
I apologize for not being as active in the mafia pm as I was with the previous two groups. That said, John played really well, and probably didn't need a lot of help. I was pretty impressed by his play.
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8/6/2013 10:09:02 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
NP1 I watched Cermank, but as he was the Godfather no results were given. Aw.
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8/6/2013 11:06:58 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/6/2013 10:09:02 AM, Noctan wrote:
NP1 I watched Cermank, but as he was the Godfather no results were given. Aw.

HA. I wonder who killed me. :'(
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8/6/2013 11:40:39 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/6/2013 11:06:58 AM, Cermank wrote:
At 8/6/2013 10:09:02 AM, Noctan wrote:
NP1 I watched Cermank, but as he was the Godfather no results were given. Aw.

HA. I wonder who killed me. :'(

I killed you. I expected you to be town, not mafia. :P