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F-16_Fighting_Falcon
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9/3/2013 3:30:37 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Dead Players
1 Bull_Diesel - Mafia Goon - Lynched DP1
2 TheAntidoter - Vanilla Townie - Lynched DP2
3 Khaos_Mage - Mafia Goon - Lynched DP3
4 Logic_on_Rails - Vanilla Townie - Lynched DP4
5 TUF - Vanilla Townie - Lynched DP5

Active Players
1 Beginner
2 blackhawk1331
3 bladerunner060
4 Bullish
5 drafterman
6 JonMilne
7 Noumena
8 Yraelz/FourTrouble

With 8 alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch.

Time Limit: ~96 hours
DP ends 1:30 PM PST 7/7/2013 (Saturday)

Vote Count

Not Voting (8): drafterman blackhawk1331 Yraelz/FourTrouble Noumena Bullish JonMilne bladerunner060 Beginner
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9/3/2013 4:13:57 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Stop voting.

Who is the other scum?

Yraelz, remind me what made you put Noumena in the town pile.
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9/3/2013 4:23:52 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Why is beginner considered confirmed again? Is it the question that caught diesel?
Because you said it was a waste, numb nuts. - Drafter

So fvck you. :) - TV

Use prima facie correctly or not at all. - Noumena
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9/3/2013 4:28:11 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/3/2013 4:23:52 PM, blackhawk1331 wrote:
Why is beginner considered confirmed again? Is it the question that caught diesel?

Beginner and FT/Y are both off for actively and successfully pursuing scum from the very beginning. They couldn't have been bussing because it would have been too difficult.

Right now, my bets are on Noumena and Bladerunner.

VTL FourTrouble/Yrealz for explanation of TUF lynch NOW.
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9/3/2013 8:18:15 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/3/2013 4:28:11 PM, Bullish wrote:
VTL FourTrouble/Yrealz for explanation of TUF lynch NOW.

I've noticed that TUF will typically do a daisy chain of posts on the first or second DP. I was re-reading some of his games right before this game started and I noticed that in all of his mafia games about 90% of those posts would just be statements of fact. For instance, he'd post 25 comments but 23-24 of them would be something like, "I agree with this" or "that is interesting..." But in his town games that same daisy chain is 90% questions. Of 25 comments 23-24 will be things like, "why did you feel this way?", or "what makes you think this?"

I was rereading his Daisy chain while trying to decide between Noumena and him being mafia and suddenly realized that like 80%-90% of his posts were statements. And then I remembered having this conversation with FT last week and was like, "bam, I'm a genius." Clearly I was not.
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9/3/2013 8:19:17 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/3/2013 4:23:52 PM, blackhawk1331 wrote:
Why is beginner considered confirmed again? Is it the question that caught diesel?

There are other things. The interactions between beginner and Khaos just seem too geniune for him not to be town.
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9/3/2013 8:20:18 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/3/2013 8:18:15 PM, Yraelz wrote:
I was rereading his Daisy chain while trying to decide between Noumena and him being mafia and suddenly realized that like 80%-90% of his posts were statements. And then I remembered having this conversation with FT last week and was like, "bam, I'm a genius." Clearly I was not.

I guess either TUF was genuinely bored with this game and didn't feel like scum hunting or he was sincere when he said, "I'm changing up my strategy."
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9/3/2013 8:24:55 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/3/2013 4:13:57 PM, Bullish wrote:
Yraelz, remind me what made you put Noumena in the town pile.

It was his misunderstanding of the mafia chosen mechanic (now two times). He at first thought the mafia could choose the chosen but was earlier convinced that the mafia only were allowed to choose who to veto. He retracted and apologized for a FOS on FT and I because of this. I think for the rest of the game he has utterly failed to realize that the mafia actually know who the chosen are (which someone pointed out during DP1). If he had been mafia he could have used that information to re-FOS FT, even stronger than the first time.

I tend to think he wouldn't be able to contrive the doubt misunderstanding. And if he could contrive it I think he would have jumped on FT and I for it.

FT doesn't have as strong of feelings about Noumena as I. I went back and forth on their posts last DP and eventually decided TUF was more scummy even despite his 'daisy chain'.
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9/3/2013 8:26:44 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I think it's down between Blade, Noumena, Drafter, and JonMilne but I have much more town reads on the final three than scum reads.

After re-reading DP1 I could see where Bull and Khaos might have thought, "oh sh!t, our scum buddy slipped hard, let's just bus him."
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9/3/2013 11:39:47 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Sorry for my absence, I've been busy. Has yraelz been lynched yet?
"I've got to go and grab a shirt" ~ Airmax1227
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9/3/2013 11:40:20 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/3/2013 3:30:37 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
5 TUF - Vanilla Townie - Lynched DP5

Derp. Sorry. WTF Happened? lol
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9/4/2013 12:54:26 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/3/2013 4:28:11 PM, Bullish wrote:
At 9/3/2013 4:23:52 PM, blackhawk1331 wrote:
Why is beginner considered confirmed again? Is it the question that caught diesel?

Beginner and FT/Y are both off for actively and successfully pursuing scum from the very beginning. They couldn't have been bussing because it would have been too difficult.

Right now, my bets are on Noumena and Bladerunner.

VTL FourTrouble/Yrealz for explanation of TUF lynch NOW.

Why, despite the above explanation, do you then nonetheless give a vote to lynch for FT/Yraelz despite saying that their behaviour has been very pro-town, and also mentioning that your bets were on Noumena and Bladerunner?

In any case, I was deeply wrong in the last DP.

VTL Bladerunner. L-1
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9/4/2013 1:55:00 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Vote Count

bladerunner060 - 4/5 - Yraelz/FourTrouble, drafterman, Beginner, JonMilne
Yraelz/FourTrouble - 1/5 - Bullish

Not Voting (3): blackhawk1331, Noumena, bladerunner060
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9/4/2013 1:58:05 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
VTL JonMilne

I'm going back to my original analysis.

Jon, you haven't given reads and have made "mistakes" on very basic game mechanics; twice, no less, because I don't buy the explanation of the "role" bit from last round. You've jumped on every wagon you could.
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9/4/2013 9:07:46 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/3/2013 4:23:52 PM, blackhawk1331 wrote:
Why is beginner considered confirmed again? Is it the question that caught diesel?

That + his continued pressure/aggression against him throughout Dp1. He also acted similarly towards Khaos I think.
: At 5/13/2014 7:05:20 PM, Crescendo wrote:
: The difference is that the gay movement is currently pushing their will on Churches, as shown in the link to gay marriage in Denmark. Meanwhile, the Inquisition ended several centuries ago.
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9/4/2013 9:08:33 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/3/2013 4:28:11 PM, Bullish wrote:
At 9/3/2013 4:23:52 PM, blackhawk1331 wrote:
Why is beginner considered confirmed again? Is it the question that caught diesel?

Beginner and FT/Y are both off for actively and successfully pursuing scum from the very beginning. They couldn't have been bussing because it would have been too difficult.

Right now, my bets are on Noumena and Bladerunner.

Why me?

VTL FourTrouble/Yrealz for explanation of TUF lynch NOW.

Why the vote? They're town and there's no way yer lynching them.
: At 5/13/2014 7:05:20 PM, Crescendo wrote:
: The difference is that the gay movement is currently pushing their will on Churches, as shown in the link to gay marriage in Denmark. Meanwhile, the Inquisition ended several centuries ago.
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9/4/2013 9:11:32 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Can someone unvote Blade while I catch up? I'd rather discuss this for a bit given we just mislynched twice.
: At 5/13/2014 7:05:20 PM, Crescendo wrote:
: The difference is that the gay movement is currently pushing their will on Churches, as shown in the link to gay marriage in Denmark. Meanwhile, the Inquisition ended several centuries ago.
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9/4/2013 9:24:47 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
So...2 goons, 3 vanillas, and 3 Chosens. With TUF and Logic remarkably coming out as town my immediate jump is to a Blade/Drafter scum team. However, it's tentative so I'll go back over the other Dp's to see if I find anything.

Everyone else should continue to float possible scum pairings. Also, actions/statements that seem like confirmations should be explored more so as to help shrink the pool of possible scum.

And please someone unvote Blade.
: At 5/13/2014 7:05:20 PM, Crescendo wrote:
: The difference is that the gay movement is currently pushing their will on Churches, as shown in the link to gay marriage in Denmark. Meanwhile, the Inquisition ended several centuries ago.
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9/4/2013 9:35:25 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/4/2013 9:24:47 AM, Noumena wrote:
And please someone unvote Blade.

I've re-read this game like three times... I really can't see him not being scum.
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9/4/2013 9:36:10 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/4/2013 9:35:25 AM, Yraelz wrote:
At 9/4/2013 9:24:47 AM, Noumena wrote:
And please someone unvote Blade.

I've re-read this game like three times... I really can't see him not being scum.

How did the Drafter convo last Dp affect yer read on him?
: At 5/13/2014 7:05:20 PM, Crescendo wrote:
: The difference is that the gay movement is currently pushing their will on Churches, as shown in the link to gay marriage in Denmark. Meanwhile, the Inquisition ended several centuries ago.
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9/4/2013 9:43:07 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/4/2013 9:36:10 AM, Noumena wrote:

How did the Drafter convo last Dp affect yer read on him?

It made me decide either he's an idiot or I'm chosen. I deferred to him being an idiot because of my previous google doc on him. ;)
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9/4/2013 9:47:36 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/4/2013 9:43:07 AM, Yraelz wrote:
It made me decide either he's an idiot or I'm chosen. I deferred to him being an idiot because of my previous google doc on him. ;)

To clarify, I don't actually think Drafter is an idiot. But I bought his 'it's been a long weekend' or w/e he said.
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9/4/2013 10:17:08 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Dp6: Drafter votes Blade (no explanation).

Dp5: Drafter mentions Blade in his suspicions list but tunnels in on Yraelz/Ft for the rest of the phase.

Dp's 3-4: No Blade/Drafter interaction.

Dp2: Blade posts a reads list. Lists Drafter as a slight scum read but recants almost immediately in the post. Drafter didn't mention him or otherwise interact with him.

Dp1: Blade asks/prods Drafter about LAL in conjunction with Jon's 'slip'. Drafter doesn't respond.

I don't buy that Drafter is town based off of Yraelz' analysis. He interacted with Khaos/Bull of course but at points where they had either slipped or had strong suspicions already leveled against them. With Blade (who wasn't suspected strongly throughout most of the game) on the other hand he hasn't posted/interacted *at all*. That is, until Dp5 with Bullish and Beginner voicing suspicions and Blade getting a strong wagon on him early on.

I'm not sure what this amounts to given that in the event that Blade is scum, the game will end. To me it just solidifies the wagon I guess.

Are we done on discussion? Are we ready to hammer?
: At 5/13/2014 7:05:20 PM, Crescendo wrote:
: The difference is that the gay movement is currently pushing their will on Churches, as shown in the link to gay marriage in Denmark. Meanwhile, the Inquisition ended several centuries ago.
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9/4/2013 10:22:04 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/4/2013 10:17:08 AM, Noumena wrote:
Are we done on discussion? Are we ready to hammer?

I'm willing to be wrong about Drafter. But yeah, I think a hammer is in order.
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9/4/2013 10:50:37 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/4/2013 10:22:04 AM, Yraelz wrote:
At 9/4/2013 10:17:08 AM, Noumena wrote:
Are we done on discussion? Are we ready to hammer?

I'm willing to be wrong about Drafter. But yeah, I think a hammer is in order.

Vtl blade
: At 5/13/2014 7:05:20 PM, Crescendo wrote:
: The difference is that the gay movement is currently pushing their will on Churches, as shown in the link to gay marriage in Denmark. Meanwhile, the Inquisition ended several centuries ago.