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12/3/2013 10:44:03 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I think most of us saw this coming...
But, here's a cool soccer death scene

Died in the night:
Hatstand:
You are Football (Soccer) " You are the most popular sport in the world. Millions watch you. Thus, you are the POPULAR TOWNIE. It takes an extra vote to get you lynched. This extra vote requirement is not displayed in the vote count. You win with the town.

Lynched last DP:
NightCats - Doc - Town

Living players:
1. NotReallySmart
2. SeventhProfessor
3. Mikal
4. bsh1
5. JonMilne
6. srehtiw

With six living players, it takes four to lynch.
This DP will end no later than 11:00 PM Thursday 12/5
My work here is, finally, done.
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12/3/2013 10:47:56 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Did anyone confirm me?
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12/3/2013 10:50:00 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Can we create a claim's list. Who has claimed what...?
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12/4/2013 12:23:47 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Hats gave ideas in her last post in the previous day phase.

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"2) If Cats flips innocent, come down on Jon like a ton of bricks. Don't insta-lynch him, but ask him about his night action results and reasoning, his claim, his justification, his reads, and get an explanation for that riddle out of him.

End quote

Cats was doctor as he claimed, and hats was scummed on. This leads me to beleive 7th is entirely scum. The question is whom is the last scum, as hats pointed out there is a good chance Jon is scum as well. We have 7th almost as confirmed scum due to 0 actiivty, claims, or reads. Its not 100 percent but a very high chance.

for that

VTL JON

for full claim.

Remember this is MYLO, if we lynch wrong we lose. IF worse comes to worse we can grill seventh and lynch him if we are certain. We need to spend this dp finding out whom is the last scum. I am just stuck to the fact 7th is almost 100 percent.
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12/4/2013 12:28:27 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
VTL 7th for full, hard claim plus explanation of why his sport and role match.
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12/4/2013 3:53:39 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Guys I would suggest reading over last dp carefully, especially the ones who flip town as they may have provide good information.
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12/4/2013 11:31:52 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Okay, this is the list of claims thus far:

Full Claims (Sport + Role)

Bsh1: Ice Hockey - Aesthetic
Jon: Tennis - Watcher

Partial Claims (Sport)

Mikal: American Football

No Claims

7th
NRS
Srehtiw
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12/4/2013 11:33:04 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Jon, please explain why Tennis and Watcher fit together.
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12/4/2013 11:38:45 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Unofficial Vote Count (I just want to keep things organized in my head):

Two votes for Jon (Srehtiw, Mikal)
One for 7th (Bsh1)

Here are my scum-reads:

7th and Jon - both bandwagoned onto NightCats's lynching after barely participating. This could be the mafia attempting to get rid of townies.

Also, I need to see more activity and commentary from Srehtiw.
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12/4/2013 11:42:36 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/4/2013 11:33:04 AM, bsh1 wrote:
Jon, please explain why Tennis and Watcher fit together.

No problem. The line judge watches the game intently and makes decisions based on that.
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12/4/2013 11:43:48 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/4/2013 11:42:36 AM, JonMilne wrote:
At 12/4/2013 11:33:04 AM, bsh1 wrote:
Jon, please explain why Tennis and Watcher fit together.

No problem. The line judge watches the game intently and makes decisions based on that.

That's plausible...thanks for responding promptly.
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12/4/2013 12:05:58 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/4/2013 12:23:47 AM, Mikal wrote:
Hats gave ideas in her last post in the previous day phase.

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"2) If Cats flips innocent, come down on Jon like a ton of bricks. Don't insta-lynch him, but ask him about his night action results and reasoning, his claim, his justification, his reads, and get an explanation for that riddle out of him.

Okay, I watched Hatstand last night, expecting that as the most obvious town member, she would be considerably likely to be targeted, which she was. However, for some reason, my results say that Hatstand wasn't visited by anyone, suggesting either that I was roleblocked, redirected or that I have a "Na"ve" flavour to my role, which would mean that I will never ever see anyone visit my targets. I believe it's worthwhile to keep me alive so that we can confirm this theory in DP3.

As mentioned, I'm Tennis, and a Watcher. The two are linked by how the line judge acts in carefully watching the game. However, as I said, in light of my NP1 results, I was either roleblocked, redirected, or I'm "Na"ve".

As for my "riddle" on Page 13 of DP1, it did exactly what I hoped it would do: keep me alive, because the mafia would be likely to target more obvious town players. Because I had outed myself as a Watcher before, I had made myself a target for an NK, so I needed to reverse this by introducing a little doubt. Still, I think the facts remain that again, making the same Watcher claim twice would be absolutely insane if I am scum for a second time in a row. If I was scum, I would have considerably more imagination than that.

As for my reads, they're largely unchanged from the ones I gave at the end of DP1, except I now I feel even stronger about the possibility of Mikal being scum. Of those who voted for Cats' lynch (the most reliable place to start when looking for scum):

-Both myself and Notreallysmart were scum in the last game, so I don't think NRS is scum,
-Hatstand is dead obviously.
-srehtiw is still null, as beyond his vote I still have absolutely no clues
-And this just leaves Mikal, who has been very accusatory and scummy in behaviour and I am convinced that only one of him or bsh is scum considering their argument in DP1. This would probably make Seventh the other scum, but I feel far more sure about Mikal.

VTL Mikal
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12/4/2013 12:21:31 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Vote Count

JonMilne (2/4) - Mikal, srehtiw
SeventhProfessor (1/4) - bsh1
Mikal (1/4) - JonMilne
My work here is, finally, done.
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12/4/2013 12:37:33 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I think we should slow down, and re-read last DP, as Sparkies suggested. We are now at MYLO, if we lynch, it is highly likely that we will lose. So we will gain, more than lose if we either lynch at the end of this DP, or wait for next round to lynch.

Although, I agree with Jon, Mikal seems very scummy, but I will wait till the end of the phase to vote.
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12/4/2013 12:43:09 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/4/2013 12:21:31 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
Vote Count

JonMilne (2/4) - Mikal, srehtiw
SeventhProfessor (1/4) - bsh1
Mikal (1/4) - JonMilne

Can you post how much time is left in the DP.
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12/4/2013 12:54:51 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/4/2013 1:09:57 AM, srehtiw wrote:
agreed TL-Jon-for-lai(sorry-about-the-weird-post,-my-keyboard-is-being-weird)

Why do you want to lynch Jon? I would urge you all to see The Star Wars Prequels, and The Matrix mafia games, as Hatstand adivised.

My exams are in a few days, so I will be much more inactive, but I will try to be active once a day, for an hour at a time.
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12/4/2013 1:23:58 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I would like to ask if anyone has visited Hatstand last NP, because if you did we are onto Jon.
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12/4/2013 2:06:17 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Mikal, perhaps now would be a great time to role claim. What is your role and why does this fit with your sport?
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12/4/2013 2:06:59 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/4/2013 1:23:58 PM, NotReallySmart wrote:
I would like to ask if anyone has visited Hatstand last NP, because if you did we are onto Jon.

Could you please claim a sport?
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12/4/2013 2:37:58 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/4/2013 12:54:51 PM, NotReallySmart wrote:
At 12/4/2013 1:09:57 AM, srehtiw wrote:
agreed TL-Jon-for-lai(sorry-about-the-weird-post,-my-keyboard-is-being-weird)

Why do you want to lynch Jon? I would urge you all to see The Star Wars Prequels, and The Matrix mafia games, as Hatstand adivised.

My exams are in a few days, so I will be much more inactive, but I will try to be active once a day, for an hour at a time.

Unvote I was looking; for; a; claim.; It; may; not; of; been; obvious; as; my; keyboard; is; being; really; weird; right; now.; Also; of; you; all; I; can; confirm; for; you; all; that; mikal; is; innocent.
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12/4/2013 2:44:08 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/4/2013 2:37:58 PM, srehtiw wrote:
At 12/4/2013 12:54:51 PM, NotReallySmart wrote:
At 12/4/2013 1:09:57 AM, srehtiw wrote:
agreed TL-Jon-for-lai(sorry-about-the-weird-post,-my-keyboard-is-being-weird)

Why do you want to lynch Jon? I would urge you all to see The Star Wars Prequels, and The Matrix mafia games, as Hatstand adivised.

My exams are in a few days, so I will be much more inactive, but I will try to be active once a day, for an hour at a time.

Unvote I was looking; for; a; claim.; It; may; not; of; been; obvious; :as; my; keyboard; is; being; really; weird; right; now.; Also; of; you; all; I; can; confirm; :for; you; all; that; mikal; is; innocent.

I'm really sorry to make you type more with your odd keyboard, but HOW do you know Mikal is innocent?
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12/4/2013 2:49:55 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/4/2013 2:44:08 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 12/4/2013 2:37:58 PM, srehtiw wrote:
At 12/4/2013 12:54:51 PM, NotReallySmart wrote:
At 12/4/2013 1:09:57 AM, srehtiw wrote:
agreed TL-Jon-for-lai(sorry-about-the-weird-post,-my-keyboard-is-being-weird)

Why do you want to lynch Jon? I would urge you all to see The Star Wars Prequels, and The Matrix mafia games, as Hatstand adivised.

My exams are in a few days, so I will be much more inactive, but I will try to be active once a day, for an hour at a time.

Unvote I was looking; for; a; claim.; It; may; not; of; been; obvious; :as; my; keyboard; is; being; really; weird; right; now.; Also; of; you; all; I; can; confirm; :for; you; all; that; mikal; is; innocent.

I'm really sorry to make you type more with your odd keyboard, but HOW do you know Mikal is innocent?

I;; guess; I; may; as; well; claim.; I; am; golf,; I; am; the; richest; sport; in; the; world; so; I; have; loads; of; money; to; spend; on; things; like; detectives; so; I; am; the; cop; and; I;; inv4estigated; mikal; last; Np.; Though; I; guess; he; could; be; the; godfather.
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12/4/2013 2:51:58 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/4/2013 2:49:55 PM, srehtiw wrote:
At 12/4/2013 2:44:08 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 12/4/2013 2:37:58 PM, srehtiw wrote:
At 12/4/2013 12:54:51 PM, NotReallySmart wrote:
At 12/4/2013 1:09:57 AM, srehtiw wrote:
agreed TL-Jon-for-lai(sorry-about-the-weird-post,-my-keyboard-is-being-weird)

Why do you want to lynch Jon? I would urge you all to see The Star Wars Prequels, and The Matrix mafia games, as Hatstand adivised.

My exams are in a few days, so I will be much more inactive, but I will try to be active once a day, for an hour at a time.

Unvote I was looking; for; a; claim.; It; may; not; of; been; obvious; :as; my; keyboard; is; being; really; weird; right; now.; Also; of; you; all; I; can; confirm; :for; you; all; that; mikal; is; innocent.

I'm really sorry to make you type more with your odd keyboard, but HOW do you know Mikal is innocent?

I;; guess; I; may; as; well; claim.; I; am; golf,; I; am; the; richest; sport; in; the; world; so; I; have; loads; of; money; to; spend; on; things; like; detectives; so; I; am; the; cop; and; I;; inv4estigated; mikal; last; Np.; Though; I; guess; he; could; be; the; godfather.

I am really not liking that explanation.

I just am not seeing the connection between Golf and the Cope role. I need Mikal to weigh in.

Unvote

VTL Mikal
for full claim
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12/4/2013 2:52:36 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/4/2013 11:31:52 AM, bsh1 wrote:
Okay, this is the list of claims thus far:

Full Claims (Sport + Role)

Bsh1: Ice Hockey - Aesthetic
Jon: Tennis - Watcher
Srehtiw: Golf - Cop

Partial Claims (Sport)

Mikal: American Football

No Claims

7th
NRS
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12/4/2013 2:54:55 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/4/2013 2:51:58 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 12/4/2013 2:49:55 PM, srehtiw wrote:
At 12/4/2013 2:44:08 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 12/4/2013 2:37:58 PM, srehtiw wrote:
At 12/4/2013 12:54:51 PM, NotReallySmart wrote:
At 12/4/2013 1:09:57 AM, srehtiw wrote:
agreed TL-Jon-for-lai(sorry-about-the-weird-post,-my-keyboard-is-being-weird)

Why do you want to lynch Jon? I would urge you all to see The Star Wars Prequels, and The Matrix mafia games, as Hatstand adivised.

My exams are in a few days, so I will be much more inactive, but I will try to be active once a day, for an hour at a time.

Unvote I was looking; for; a; claim.; It; may; not; of; been; obvious; :as; my; keyboard; is; being; really; weird; right; now.; Also; of; you; all; I; can; confirm; :for; you; all; that; mikal; is; innocent.

I'm really sorry to make you type more with your odd keyboard, but HOW do you know Mikal is innocent?

I;; guess; I; may; as; well; claim.; I; am; golf,; I; am; the; richest; sport; in; the; world; so; I; have; loads; of; money; to; spend; on; things; like; detectives; so; I; am; the; cop; and; I;; inv4estigated; mikal; last; Np.; Though; I; guess; he; could; be; the; godfather.

I am really not liking that explanation.

I just am not seeing the connection between Golf and the Cope role. I need Mikal to weigh in.

Unvote

VTL Mikal
for full claim

I; thought; it; was; a; bit; tenuous; as; well.; Oh; god; you; think; making; up; tenuous; fake; claims; is; part; of; my; meta; don't; you?
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12/4/2013 2:58:50 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Seriously; ev4en; compared; to; some; of; my; mafia; fake; claims; this; seems; quite; tenuous.; I; would; hav4e; thought; of; a; better; fake; claim; if; I; was; mafia.
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12/4/2013 2:59:25 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/4/2013 2:54:55 PM, srehtiw wrote:
At 12/4/2013 2:51:58 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 12/4/2013 2:49:55 PM, srehtiw wrote:
At 12/4/2013 2:44:08 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 12/4/2013 2:37:58 PM, srehtiw wrote:
At 12/4/2013 12:54:51 PM, NotReallySmart wrote:
At 12/4/2013 1:09:57 AM, srehtiw wrote:
agreed TL-Jon-for-lai(sorry-about-the-weird-post,-my-keyboard-is-being-weird)

Why do you want to lynch Jon? I would urge you all to see The Star Wars Prequels, and The Matrix mafia games, as Hatstand adivised.

My exams are in a few days, so I will be much more inactive, but I will try to be active once a day, for an hour at a time.

Unvote I was looking; for; a; claim.; It; may; not; of; been; obvious; :as; my; keyboard; is; being; really; weird; right; now.; Also; of; you; all; I; can; confirm; :for; you; all; that; mikal; is; innocent.

I'm really sorry to make you type more with your odd keyboard, but HOW do you know Mikal is innocent?

I;; guess; I; may; as; well; claim.; I; am; golf,; I; am; the; richest; sport; in; the; world; so; I; have; loads; of; money; to; spend; on; things; like; detectives; so; I; am; the; cop; and; I;; inv4estigated; mikal; last; Np.; Though; I; guess; he; could; be; the; godfather.

I am really not liking that explanation.

I just am not seeing the connection between Golf and the Cope role. I need Mikal to weigh in.

Unvote

VTL Mikal
for full claim

I; thought; it; was; a; bit; tenuous; as; well.; Oh; god; you; think; making; up; tenuous; fake; claims; is; part; of; my; meta; don't; you?

I also doubt that you would have such a full understanding of the roles that you, as a fellow beginner, would have known what the Godfather did. It seems unlikely you would have known that the Cop can't verify the Godfather.

It is almost as if you're publicly confirming Mikal to prevent us from suspecting him, which is what to mafiosos in cahoots would do if they could.
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12/4/2013 3:03:23 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/4/2013 2:59:25 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 12/4/2013 2:54:55 PM, srehtiw wrote:
At 12/4/2013 2:51:58 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 12/4/2013 2:49:55 PM, srehtiw wrote:
At 12/4/2013 2:44:08 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 12/4/2013 2:37:58 PM, srehtiw wrote:
Unvote I was looking; for; a; claim.; It; may; not; of; been; obvious; :as; my; keyboard; is; being; really; weird; right; now.; Also; of; you; all; I; can; confirm; :for; you; all; that; mikal; is; innocent.

I'm really sorry to make you type more with your odd keyboard, but HOW do you know Mikal is innocent?

I;; guess; I; may; as; well; claim.; I; am; golf,; I; am; the; richest; sport; in; the; world; so; I; have; loads; of; money; to; spend; on; things; like; detectives; so; I; am; the; cop; and; I;; inv4estigated; mikal; last; Np.; Though; I; guess; he; could; be; the; godfather.

I am really not liking that explanation.

I just am not seeing the connection between Golf and the Cope role. I need Mikal to weigh in.

Unvote

VTL Mikal
for full claim

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I also doubt that you would have such a full understanding of the roles that you, as a fellow beginner, would have known what the Godfather did. It seems unlikely you would have known that the Cop can't verify the Godfather.

It is almost as if you're publicly confirming Mikal to prevent us from suspecting him, which is what to mafiosos in cahoots would do if they could.

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