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Beginner Mafia 18.1 - DP1

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12/8/2013 2:45:00 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Introduction to Mafia:
Mafia is a game of strategy and behavioral analysis that pits an uninformed majority (The Town) against an informed minority (The Mafia). All members of the Mafia know who they are and - by poe - know who the members of the Town are. The mafia have their own shared PM where they can coordinate and discuss strategies. No member of the Town is given information about any other player; they must figure that out through the course of the game.

The game is divided into Day Phases (DP) and Night Phases (NP). Each DP will be conducted in a public thread created by me (such as this one). I will start each DP with a summary of actions performed the previous NP, a list of living and dead players, and other rules and notes. The DP is used by all players for open deliberation and is the only normal mechanism by which members of the Town can communicate with each other. It is the primary vehicle by which the members of the Town can eliminate their opposition: The Mafia. However, the Mafia are covertly part of this deliberation, and will try to disrupt or derail the plans of the Town, though in a way as not to reveal their affiliation.

During the DP, each player may cast a vote to lynch another player. The format is VTL Player Name. Unbolded votes do not count. To remove your vote from a player, simply Unvote. Alternatively, you may vote that no player be lynched that day with a vote to no lynch, or VTNL. If a majority of the living players vote to have another player lynched, or vote that no one should be lynched, the DP will end with the death of that player (if applicable) and the NP will begin.

The NP is where players can utilize the abilities of any role they have been given. These will be detailed in PMs I create for each player. In addition, the members of the Mafia can elect to kill another player during the Night. The NP ends when all players have submitted their actions.

The object of the game for each faction (Town, Mafia) is to eliminate the other faction. As a short-cut, when the Mafia make up 50% or more of the living players, the game will end automatically, since they will be able to control the vote during the DP and can no longer be eliminated (under most circumstances). However, there is no such short-cut for the Town, and they must eliminate each member of the Mafia.

Terms, acronyms, and abbreviations:

Alignment - your status as Town, Mafia, or 3rd Party (anything not Town or Mafia).
Bandwagon - A "wagon" consists of the individuals voting for a person. Bandwagoning usually refers to hopping on such a wagon blindly or without clearly articulating your reasons.
BP - Bulletproof, a person immune to night kills.
Buddying - A tactic by mafia where they agree with or support towns people in an attempt to look innocent in return.
Bussing - When the mafia allow, or help, get one of their own members lynched, in order to look innocent in return, or to avoid suspicion.
Claim - Either Character Claim or Role Claim. This is a request to reveal this part of your Role.
Counter Claim - In most cases, roles are unique per game. A counter-claim is when one person challenges another person's role-claim by claiming the same role.
Fake Claim - Since your character or role can be indicative of your alignment, mafioso's usually invent fake claims to avoid suspicion. Cna also be done by Towns-persons trying to perform some sort of gambit.
FOS - Finger of suspicion. Indicates that you suspect someone of being mafia, but usually not enough to place a vote on them.
Hammer - Placing the last vote on someone to get them lynched.
JK - Jailkeeper, a combination of doctor and roleblocker.
LYLO - Lynch or Lose, a situation where the towns-people only outnumber the mafia by 1. Since the mafia gets a kill at night and this would tie them with the town and earn them a win, it is necessary for the town to lynch a mafia in this situation or they lose.
Modkill - You break my rules - I kill you. I will also retroactively convert you into a survivor such that you can't even claim a win with your original faction.
MYLO - Mislynch and Lose, a situation where the towns-people outnumber the mafia by 2. A mislynch gives the mafia a free kill which, when combined with the mafia night kill, allows the mafia to win. Barring irrefutable results, MYLO generally results in no lynch, which merely leads to LYLO.
NK - night kill, any kill performed at night, though usually refers to the mafia night kill.
PM - Private message. Players are only permitted to create or talk in Private Messages set up by the mod.
PR - Power Role, a role with some ability, either passive or active. Towns people without a power role are referred to as "Vanillas" while mafiosos without a power role are referred to as "Goons"
RVS - Random Voting Stage. When there is no information to go on, but you need to get the game moving, generally you'll pressure someone randomly.
Scum - Anyone that is not aligned with the town.
Scum-tell - some trait, or "tell" that indicates a person may be scum.
Softclaim - dropping hints, but not out-right claiming, to be a specific character or role.
SK - Serial Killer, a third party, night killing role.
WIFOM - Wine In Front Of Me. A subtle and complex type of psychology. Best explained herehttp://mafiascum.net......

Rules:
1. The only PMs you are allowed to use to talk about this game with other players are the PMs that I have specifically created for that purpose.
2. DPs will last until a majority vote has been reached or 48 hours has passed, whichever comes first. If the time-limit is reached, there will be no lynch.
3. NPs will last until everyone submits their night action or 48 hours has passed, whichever comes first. If the time-limit is reached, your action is forfeit.
4. Any DP or NP that starts or ends on a weekend will be automatically extended 24 hours.
5. Be active (submit any Night actions in a timely matter and participate in DP discussions). I will replace people at my discretion in response to low or no activity.
6. You may not cut-and-paste from any game PM into the DP thread. You must always paraphrase (http://owl.english.purdue.edu......). Simply replacing the occasional word with a synonym is not acceptable.
7. All game related questions should be directed to me, via PM. You don't have to create a new PM, you may use your Role PM or mafia PM.
My work here is, finally, done.
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12/8/2013 2:45:42 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Round 1:
This Round will introduce you to the concept and basics of Mafia, including Role Madness!

Set-Up:
The roles found in this game are from the following list and only from the following list:
Town Roles
Cop - Investigates Players' alignments
Dreamer - Learns players' alignments passively
Priest - Learns roles of players that visit him
Role Cop - Learns players' roles
Tracker - Learns who players visit
Watcher - Learns who visits a player
Oracle - Reveals a player's role upon death
Bodyguard - Redirects lethal actions to self
Bulletproof - Immune to night kills
Doctor - Prevents the deaths of players
Virgin - If lynched, prevents all deaths the following Night Phase
Bomb - If killed at night, kills his killer
Hunter - If lynched, may kill another player
Paranoid Gun Owner - Kills anyone that visits him at night
Super Saint - If lynched, kills whoever placed the last vote
Vigilante - May kill another player at night
Universal Backup - Assumes the role of the first Town player to die
Mimic - May copy another player's role
Roleblocker - May prevent another player from using their role
Innocent Child - Mod confirmed as a Townie during a certain Day Phase
Vanilla - Has no role

Mafia Roles
Role Cop - Learns players' roles
Suicide Bomber - May kill another player during the day, dying in the process
Mimic - May copy another player's role
Scout - Learns who players visit
Lookout - Learns who visits a player

Additionally, there is a maximum of only one of each role

Roles have been generated randomly, and have been randomly assigned.
My work here is, finally, done.
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12/8/2013 2:48:54 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Living Players:
1. Aloke
2. sketchn
3. bsh1
4. PotbelliedGeek
5. SolonKR
6. Yay842
7. Mikal
8. Crypto
9. Zaradi
10. Hatstand

With 10 players alive, it takes six votes to lynch.
The day phase ends in no later than 3PM 12/12/13 DDO time.
My work here is, finally, done.
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12/8/2013 2:52:06 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
One more thing, since this is a semi-open setup, and a bit of a larger game, for maximum effect and fairness, the following information may be useful:

1. There are three members in the mafia.
2. The mafia have been supplied with one role that is not in the game, which was generated randomly. In other words, they have a free fake claim.

The above information only applies to this game, and should not be taken as evidence for other games in the series.
My work here is, finally, done.
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12/8/2013 2:54:28 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Right. There are several ways that we can start this. The traditional way is RVS (or the random voting stage). In this, we choose a player at random and have them claim their role. We do this until we feel that we have enough information to start the game properly.

Even though I say at random, and it is called the 'random voting stage', chance is not really the essence of this game. The intention of RVS is to catch scum unprepared with a fake role, so we ask ourselves: who would be unprepared? This is the reason why newer players are so often targeted for RVS in bigger games.

However, it is my personal opinion that RVS should not be the be all and end all of it. I prefer other starts, such as discussing the way in which we are to proceed, much as I am doing now. Then, when we find behaviour that we deem scummy, we pressure that person for a claim. By using this method instead, we avoid the messy business of accidentally letting the scumteam know who has the most powerful town roles (and thus who to kill).
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12/8/2013 2:55:02 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/8/2013 2:54:01 PM, Mikal wrote:
VTL POTS for claim

Ill get it rolling.

And this is RVS. And this is what the start of a typical game looks like.
Mikal
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12/8/2013 2:56:07 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/8/2013 2:55:02 PM, Hatstand wrote:
At 12/8/2013 2:54:01 PM, Mikal wrote:
VTL POTS for claim

Ill get it rolling.

And this is RVS. And this is what the start of a typical game looks like.

I can claim later and can be verified during the np. I will give a soft claim on this and say my roll is beneficial but I am not willing to out it just yet because I will be targeted first. I can verify in any night phase though.
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12/8/2013 3:00:12 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
One more thing.
There is no mafia advisor.
Five players have experience, and one says they are just new to the site.
Thus, the chances of a 100% noob mafia are slim, and would only apply to this first game.
I took the chance in order to get the series moving.

In the event there is a 100% noob mafia, and if they are floundering, I will act as a handicapped advisor, which is better than nothing if they are lost.
My work here is, finally, done.
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12/8/2013 3:01:54 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/8/2013 2:56:07 PM, Mikal wrote:
At 12/8/2013 2:55:02 PM, Hatstand wrote:
At 12/8/2013 2:54:01 PM, Mikal wrote:
VTL POTS for claim

Ill get it rolling.

And this is RVS. And this is what the start of a typical game looks like.

I can claim later and can be verified during the np. I will give a soft claim on this and say my roll is beneficial but I am not willing to out it just yet because I will be targeted first. I can verify in any night phase though.

You can verify your townie nature? Fantastic.

Guys, we can assume he's town for now. We make sure he proves himself before we get to LYLO, and if he fails to do so then we know that he is scum. Foolproof.
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12/8/2013 3:03:16 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/8/2013 2:56:21 PM, Yraelz wrote:
Day Vig Hatstand

For once, I'm not falling for it ;)
Players, Yraelz is not in the game.
My work here is, finally, done.
Mikal
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12/8/2013 3:03:20 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/8/2013 3:01:54 PM, Hatstand wrote:
At 12/8/2013 2:56:07 PM, Mikal wrote:
At 12/8/2013 2:55:02 PM, Hatstand wrote:
At 12/8/2013 2:54:01 PM, Mikal wrote:
VTL POTS for claim

Ill get it rolling.

And this is RVS. And this is what the start of a typical game looks like.

I can claim later and can be verified during the np. I will give a soft claim on this and say my roll is beneficial but I am not willing to out it just yet because I will be targeted first. I can verify in any night phase though.

You can verify your townie nature? Fantastic.

Guys, we can assume he's town for now. We make sure he proves himself before we get to LYLO, and if he fails to do so then we know that he is scum. Foolproof.

Well I need on person o cooperate with me, and seeing as how you seem enthusiastic. I will take that as a yes. Not only that, I can confirm myself and one other, so we can have two townies confirmed off the start.
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12/8/2013 3:04:30 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/8/2013 3:01:54 PM, Hatstand wrote:
At 12/8/2013 2:56:07 PM, Mikal wrote:
At 12/8/2013 2:55:02 PM, Hatstand wrote:
At 12/8/2013 2:54:01 PM, Mikal wrote:
VTL POTS for claim

Ill get it rolling.

And this is RVS. And this is what the start of a typical game looks like.

I can claim later and can be verified during the np. I will give a soft claim on this and say my roll is beneficial but I am not willing to out it just yet because I will be targeted first. I can verify in any night phase though.

You can verify your townie nature? Fantastic.

Guys, we can assume he's town for now. We make sure he proves himself before we get to LYLO, and if he fails to do so then we know that he is scum. Foolproof.

I reverse that I can only confirm myself, thought I could confirm myself and another. I was wrong.
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12/8/2013 3:07:11 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/8/2013 3:03:20 PM, Mikal wrote:
At 12/8/2013 3:01:54 PM, Hatstand wrote:
At 12/8/2013 2:56:07 PM, Mikal wrote:
At 12/8/2013 2:55:02 PM, Hatstand wrote:
At 12/8/2013 2:54:01 PM, Mikal wrote:
VTL POTS for claim

Ill get it rolling.

And this is RVS. And this is what the start of a typical game looks like.

I can claim later and can be verified during the np. I will give a soft claim on this and say my roll is beneficial but I am not willing to out it just yet because I will be targeted first. I can verify in any night phase though.

You can verify your townie nature? Fantastic.

Guys, we can assume he's town for now. We make sure he proves himself before we get to LYLO, and if he fails to do so then we know that he is scum. Foolproof.

Well I need on person o cooperate with me, and seeing as how you seem enthusiastic. I will take that as a yes. Not only that, I can confirm myself and one other, so we can have two townies confirmed off the start.

... Have we done this before? There is only one role on that list that would require cooperation to confirm, at a quick glance.
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12/8/2013 3:08:31 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/8/2013 3:04:30 PM, Mikal wrote:
At 12/8/2013 3:01:54 PM, Hatstand wrote:
At 12/8/2013 2:56:07 PM, Mikal wrote:
At 12/8/2013 2:55:02 PM, Hatstand wrote:
At 12/8/2013 2:54:01 PM, Mikal wrote:
VTL POTS for claim

Ill get it rolling.

And this is RVS. And this is what the start of a typical game looks like.

I can claim later and can be verified during the np. I will give a soft claim on this and say my roll is beneficial but I am not willing to out it just yet because I will be targeted first. I can verify in any night phase though.

You can verify your townie nature? Fantastic.

Guys, we can assume he's town for now. We make sure he proves himself before we get to LYLO, and if he fails to do so then we know that he is scum. Foolproof.


I reverse that I can only confirm myself, thought I could confirm myself and another. I was wrong.

... In this case, I retract my last statement.
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12/8/2013 3:08:38 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/8/2013 3:07:11 PM, Hatstand wrote:
At 12/8/2013 3:03:20 PM, Mikal wrote:
At 12/8/2013 3:01:54 PM, Hatstand wrote:
At 12/8/2013 2:56:07 PM, Mikal wrote:
At 12/8/2013 2:55:02 PM, Hatstand wrote:
At 12/8/2013 2:54:01 PM, Mikal wrote:
VTL POTS for claim

Ill get it rolling.

And this is RVS. And this is what the start of a typical game looks like.

I can claim later and can be verified during the np. I will give a soft claim on this and say my roll is beneficial but I am not willing to out it just yet because I will be targeted first. I can verify in any night phase though.

You can verify your townie nature? Fantastic.

Guys, we can assume he's town for now. We make sure he proves himself before we get to LYLO, and if he fails to do so then we know that he is scum. Foolproof.

Well I need on person o cooperate with me, and seeing as how you seem enthusiastic. I will take that as a yes. Not only that, I can confirm myself and one other, so we can have two townies confirmed off the start.

... Have we done this before? There is only one role on that list that would require cooperation to confirm, at a quick glance.

This will serve as furtherment to my soft claim. I can tell someone to do something, and if they cooperate and do it, they can verify me.
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12/8/2013 3:13:00 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Hello.

I strongly advise against threatening to lynch people for a role claim from experience I have had with past games.

This is because Townies with very good roles cannot reveal their role or else the Mafia will kill them during the night phase, therefore forcing them to lie. If they get caught in their lie then they get lynched. It puts your best players in a lose-neutral-lose situation that is not worth the risk.

I died that way in the last Mafia game I played and I believe I was the doctor.

I win with Town. I am the Oracle.
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12/8/2013 3:13:43 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/8/2013 3:08:38 PM, Mikal wrote:

This will serve as furtherment to my soft claim. I can tell someone to do something, and if they cooperate and do it, they can verify me.

Alright, now I'm just confused, but I'll put faith in your claim to be confirmable for now.

A few questions:

You need a NP to confirm yourself, correct?
Is there any way in which your confirmation could fail (i.e. The death of the person who was supposed to confirm you).

We need to take both of these things into account when deciding when we ask you to confirm yourself.
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12/8/2013 3:15:50 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/8/2013 3:13:43 PM, Hatstand wrote:
At 12/8/2013 3:08:38 PM, Mikal wrote:

This will serve as furtherment to my soft claim. I can tell someone to do something, and if they cooperate and do it, they can verify me.


Alright, now I'm just confused, but I'll put faith in your claim to be confirmable for now.

A few questions:

You need a NP to confirm yourself, correct?
Is there any way in which your confirmation could fail (i.e. The death of the person who was supposed to confirm you).

We need to take both of these things into account when deciding when we ask you to confirm yourself.

I am trying to figure out how to make my roll work. Its confirmable, but trying to figure out a way. I was wrong with telling someone to visit someone. I am just going to full claim and say screw it.

I am the watcher.
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12/8/2013 3:16:24 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Alright from reading this Hatstand and Mikal are either

A) Both Mafia working together to make them look innocent (which would be ingenius, but unlikely especially in a Beginner's game)

or

B) Both win with Town.

I'll assume B for now.

Let's wait for others to post before we get antsy about VTLing.
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12/8/2013 3:17:18 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/8/2013 3:16:24 PM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
Alright from reading this Hatstand and Mikal are either

A) Both Mafia working together to make them look innocent (which would be ingenius, but unlikely especially in a Beginner's game)

or

B) Both win with Town.

I'll assume B for now.

Let's wait for others to post before we get antsy about VTLing.

Why do both have to be the same affiliation?
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12/8/2013 3:17:23 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/8/2013 3:13:00 PM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
Hello.

I strongly advise against threatening to lynch people for a role claim from experience I have had with past games.

This is because Townies with very good roles cannot reveal their role or else the Mafia will kill them during the night phase, therefore forcing them to lie. If they get caught in their lie then they get lynched. It puts your best players in a lose-neutral-lose situation that is not worth the risk.

I died that way in the last Mafia game I played and I believe I was the doctor.

I win with Town. I am the Oracle.

And why would you reveal that? There is only one claim that you know will not reveal scum, and it's your own. Furthermore, since you've know clued the mafia in to your role, it's likely that the only way we will be able to use it is by lynching you. I don't really want to do that.

On the flip side, it's a stupid false claim for mafia to make, as it could well lead to them being lynched.

On the other hand, that could be what they want us to think.

Welcome to WIFOM land.
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12/8/2013 3:18:04 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/8/2013 3:13:00 PM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
Hello.

I strongly advise against threatening to lynch people for a role claim from experience I have had with past games.

This is because Townies with very good roles cannot reveal their role or else the Mafia will kill them during the night phase, therefore forcing them to lie. If they get caught in their lie then they get lynched. It puts your best players in a lose-neutral-lose situation that is not worth the risk.

I died that way in the last Mafia game I played and I believe I was the doctor.

I win with Town. I am the Oracle.

Also, welcome back.
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12/8/2013 3:18:37 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/8/2013 3:16:24 PM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
Alright from reading this Hatstand and Mikal are either

A) Both Mafia working together to make them look innocent (which would be ingenius, but unlikely especially in a Beginner's game)

or

B) Both win with Town.

I'll assume B for now.

Let's wait for others to post before we get antsy about VTLing.

I would re advise that. Hats plays the same every game. Even if shes mafia she is going to be really active. I have did 2-3 games with her. It is the same in every game. Me and her probe each other to we find out. I am avoiding asking her for a claim.

By sheer logic I think its highly unlikely she is scum. Her and zaradi are almost 100 percent town.

I really doubt khaoz would put two ringers as scum, when this is a first timer game for some people. it would be a field day.
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12/8/2013 3:18:57 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/8/2013 3:18:23 PM, Hatstand wrote:
At 12/8/2013 3:15:05 PM, Zaradi wrote:
VTL Mikal

Why?

Why not?
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12/8/2013 3:19:58 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/8/2013 3:18:57 PM, Zaradi wrote:
At 12/8/2013 3:18:23 PM, Hatstand wrote:
At 12/8/2013 3:15:05 PM, Zaradi wrote:
VTL Mikal

Why?

Why not?

Im watcher, read above
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12/8/2013 3:20:04 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/8/2013 3:17:23 PM, Hatstand wrote:
At 12/8/2013 3:13:00 PM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
Hello.

I strongly advise against threatening to lynch people for a role claim from experience I have had with past games.

This is because Townies with very good roles cannot reveal their role or else the Mafia will kill them during the night phase, therefore forcing them to lie. If they get caught in their lie then they get lynched. It puts your best players in a lose-neutral-lose situation that is not worth the risk.

I died that way in the last Mafia game I played and I believe I was the doctor.

I win with Town. I am the Oracle.

And why would you reveal that? There is only one claim that you know will not reveal scum, and it's your own. Furthermore, since you've know clued the mafia in to your role, it's likely that the only way we will be able to use it is by lynching you. I don't really want to do that.

On the flip side, it's a stupid false claim for mafia to make, as it could well lead to them being lynched.

On the other hand, that could be what they want us to think.

Welcome to WIFOM land.

I revealed myself as Oracle for two reasons:

A) If Mafia revealed themselves as Oracle a town would also reveal themself as Oracle, ending in a lynch to one of them for sure. Since I am the Oracle I don't have to worry about that because it would be foolish for another to falsely claim they are oracle and risk getting lynched.

B) The Oracle role isn't important enough to make me an opening target by the Mafia, unless they have no other leads, but I'm not too worried about that.
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