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12/26/2013 12:11:22 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Died in the night:

Aloke:
You are the ROLE COP. Each night, you may select one player and learn the name of their role. You do not learn affiliation or the specifics of said role. You win with the town.

Yay:
You are the 1-shot DOCTOR. Each night, you may choose one player. If that player is targeted for death, you will prevent the death. You can only use this ability once, and once per night. You win with the mafia.

Previously dead:
Zaradi- DP2 - Vanilla -Town
Crypto - NP1 - Tracker - Town
Solon - NP1 - Vanilla - Town
PotBelliedGeek - DP1 - Dreamer - Town

Living Players:
1. Sparkies (replacing sketchn)
2. bsh1
3. TN05 (replacing Mikal)
4. Hatstand

With four players remaining, it takes three to lynch.
This DP ends no later than 12PM December 29.
My work here is, finally, done.
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12/26/2013 5:40:17 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
My role was stolen...
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12/26/2013 5:55:09 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
So, I have three questions:

1. Why did TN05 VTL Zaradi at the end if the game? I retread the posts and cannot find an explanation.
2. It' clear now that Solon was the mimic and that I was wrong. I hesitate to posit any more ideas...clearly, my instincts aren't the best.
3. What is Hats's take on what has transpired?

I'm going offline for tonight--let's not lynch anyone tonight. Time is important; let's use it well.
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12/26/2013 5:56:35 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/26/2013 12:43:27 PM, TN05 wrote:
I was visited by a redirector and role cop.

I thought you said you were naive...how can you suddenly recieve results? Why didn't it work before?
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12/26/2013 6:14:31 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/26/2013 5:56:35 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 12/26/2013 12:43:27 PM, TN05 wrote:
I was visited by a redirector and role cop.

I thought you said you were naive...how can you suddenly recieve results? Why didn't it work before?

If he could not receive results NP1, he was either RBed or naive.
If he received results tonight NP2, he is not naive.
If one mafioso was a mimic, and the other a redirector, there is no Roleblocker.

Ergo he is lying.
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12/26/2013 6:36:31 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/26/2013 5:56:35 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 12/26/2013 12:43:27 PM, TN05 wrote:
I was visited by a redirector and role cop.

I thought you said you were naive...how can you suddenly recieve results? Why didn't it work before?

I never said I was naive, I said it's either that or I got RBed. I'm either an even-night only priest (which would be pretty bastardly of a mod to give and not tell) or got RBed.

At 12/26/2013 5:55:09 PM, bsh1 wrote:
So, I have three questions:

1. Why did TN05 VTL Zaradi at the end if the game? I retread the posts and cannot find an explanation.

I gave my explanation in post - I wanted to prove I'm not mafia with Zaradi. I had thought he would flip scum but apparently that didn't happen.

The serial killer needs to come out now. Team up with town so we can get the mafioso out.
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12/26/2013 6:38:10 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/26/2013 6:14:31 PM, Hatstand wrote:
At 12/26/2013 5:56:35 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 12/26/2013 12:43:27 PM, TN05 wrote:
I was visited by a redirector and role cop.

I thought you said you were naive...how can you suddenly recieve results? Why didn't it work before?

If he could not receive results NP1, he was either RBed or naive.
If he received results tonight NP2, he is not naive.
If one mafioso was a mimic, and the other a redirector, there is no Roleblocker.

Ergo he is lying.

Nope. There could either be a town roleblocker of mafia JOAT.
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12/26/2013 6:39:20 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/26/2013 6:36:31 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 12/26/2013 5:56:35 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 12/26/2013 12:43:27 PM, TN05 wrote:
I was visited by a redirector and role cop.

I thought you said you were naive...how can you suddenly recieve results? Why didn't it work before?

I never said I was naive, I said it's either that or I got RBed. I'm either an even-night only priest (which would be pretty bastardly of a mod to give and not tell) or got RBed.

Pots was Odd/Even. If we're not doubling up on roles, I doubt we're doubling up on flavours.

At 12/26/2013 5:55:09 PM, bsh1 wrote:
So, I have three questions:

1. Why did TN05 VTL Zaradi at the end if the game? I retread the posts and cannot find an explanation.

I gave my explanation in post - I wanted to prove I'm not mafia with Zaradi. I had thought he would flip scum but apparently that didn't happen.

So why were you voting Yay earlier? What prompted the change of opinion?

The serial killer needs to come out now. Team up with town so we can get the mafioso out.
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12/26/2013 6:41:24 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/26/2013 6:38:10 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 12/26/2013 6:14:31 PM, Hatstand wrote:
At 12/26/2013 5:56:35 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 12/26/2013 12:43:27 PM, TN05 wrote:
I was visited by a redirector and role cop.

I thought you said you were naive...how can you suddenly recieve results? Why didn't it work before?

If he could not receive results NP1, he was either RBed or naive.
If he received results tonight NP2, he is not naive.
If one mafioso was a mimic, and the other a redirector, there is no Roleblocker.

Ergo he is lying.

Nope. There could either be a town roleblocker of mafia JOAT.

Mafia JOAT is 1x Rolecop, 1x Roleblock, 1x Frame. No Redirect.
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12/26/2013 6:42:50 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/26/2013 6:41:24 PM, Hatstand wrote:
At 12/26/2013 6:38:10 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 12/26/2013 6:14:31 PM, Hatstand wrote:
At 12/26/2013 5:56:35 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 12/26/2013 12:43:27 PM, TN05 wrote:
I was visited by a redirector and role cop.

I thought you said you were naive...how can you suddenly recieve results? Why didn't it work before?

If he could not receive results NP1, he was either RBed or naive.
If he received results tonight NP2, he is not naive.
If one mafioso was a mimic, and the other a redirector, there is no Roleblocker.

Ergo he is lying.

Nope. There could either be a town roleblocker of mafia JOAT.

Mafia JOAT is 1x Rolecop, 1x Roleblock, 1x Frame. No Redirect.

Besides, if you had been visited by a JOAT, and you were Priest, you would have been told JOAT. It's happened before, in the last Beginner's series, where a Priest accidentally confirmed the mafia JOAT as town.
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12/26/2013 9:06:22 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/26/2013 6:41:24 PM, Hatstand wrote:
At 12/26/2013 6:38:10 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 12/26/2013 6:14:31 PM, Hatstand wrote:
At 12/26/2013 5:56:35 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 12/26/2013 12:43:27 PM, TN05 wrote:
I was visited by a redirector and role cop.

I thought you said you were naive...how can you suddenly recieve results? Why didn't it work before?

If he could not receive results NP1, he was either RBed or naive.
If he received results tonight NP2, he is not naive.
If one mafioso was a mimic, and the other a redirector, there is no Roleblocker.

Ergo he is lying.

Nope. There could either be a town roleblocker of mafia JOAT.

Mafia JOAT is 1x Rolecop, 1x Roleblock, 1x Frame. No Redirect.

Good point.
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12/26/2013 9:07:28 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/26/2013 6:39:20 PM, Hatstand wrote:
At 12/26/2013 6:36:31 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 12/26/2013 5:56:35 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 12/26/2013 12:43:27 PM, TN05 wrote:
I was visited by a redirector and role cop.

I thought you said you were naive...how can you suddenly recieve results? Why didn't it work before?

I never said I was naive, I said it's either that or I got RBed. I'm either an even-night only priest (which would be pretty bastardly of a mod to give and not tell) or got RBed.

Pots was Odd/Even. If we're not doubling up on roles, I doubt we're doubling up on flavours.

At 12/26/2013 5:55:09 PM, bsh1 wrote:
So, I have three questions:

1. Why did TN05 VTL Zaradi at the end if the game? I retread the posts and cannot find an explanation.

I gave my explanation in post - I wanted to prove I'm not mafia with Zaradi. I had thought he would flip scum but apparently that didn't happen.

So why were you voting Yay earlier? What prompted the change of opinion?

Whichever one of you saying I'm scum with Zaradi changed it... they are both dead now though and neither were scum so we all screwed up there.

The serial killer needs to come out now. Team up with town so we can get the mafioso out.
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12/26/2013 9:07:34 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/26/2013 6:42:50 PM, Hatstand wrote:
At 12/26/2013 6:41:24 PM, Hatstand wrote:
At 12/26/2013 6:38:10 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 12/26/2013 6:14:31 PM, Hatstand wrote:
At 12/26/2013 5:56:35 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 12/26/2013 12:43:27 PM, TN05 wrote:
I was visited by a redirector and role cop.

I thought you said you were naive...how can you suddenly recieve results? Why didn't it work before?

If he could not receive results NP1, he was either RBed or naive.
If he received results tonight NP2, he is not naive.
If one mafioso was a mimic, and the other a redirector, there is no Roleblocker.

Ergo he is lying.

Nope. There could either be a town roleblocker of mafia JOAT.

Mafia JOAT is 1x Rolecop, 1x Roleblock, 1x Frame. No Redirect.

Besides, if you had been visited by a JOAT, and you were Priest, you would have been told JOAT. It's happened before, in the last Beginner's series, where a Priest accidentally confirmed the mafia JOAT as town.

If I was targeted by a JOAT and roleblocked I would not get notification.
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12/27/2013 6:30:35 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Reads:

Sparkies: Slightly Town. Was role-confirmed and has done nothing suspicious.
Hats: Probably Town. Suspicious first claim of Oracle, but it was also very risky. Hats also doesn't typically VTNL, but because she claimed so earlier, the risk of her being CC'd was high. That's not a risk Hats would take unless she knew she was safe. Ergo she is Oracle and is town.
TN05: Slightly Scum. Weird final VTL on Zaradi--OMGUS. Furthermore, I don't believe there is a roleblocker. We know Sparkies is Hunter, and I am fairly certain Hats is telling the truth about being Oracle. Thus, there is no roleblocker and TN05 is lying re: his role. His play also resembles his scum play (inactive with "fluff" and reactionary posts.)

Because I have townread two people, I am clearly wrong about at least one of them. I'm just not sure which. I am also not 100% sure about TN05--I just don't fully trust my instincts right now. Therefore, I too will

VTNL

I believe we are at 2-1-1, so hopefully we can still VTNL and get to a 2-0-0, 1-1-0, or 0-1-1 situation overnight...The 2-0-0 and 1-1-0 situations would be town wins, the other two cases the town would still be in the game. That's a 2/3rd chance of town survival and a 1/3rd chance of scum winning. Those aren't bad odds. Thus, it isn't a bad move to VTNL at this juncture...as far as I can ascertain.
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12/27/2013 6:31:21 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/26/2013 6:14:31 PM, Hatstand wrote:
At 12/26/2013 5:56:35 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 12/26/2013 12:43:27 PM, TN05 wrote:
I was visited by a redirector and role cop.

I thought you said you were naive...how can you suddenly recieve results? Why didn't it work before?

If he could not receive results NP1, he was either RBed or naive.
If he received results tonight NP2, he is not naive.
If one mafioso was a mimic, and the other a redirector, there is no Roleblocker.

Ergo he is lying.

Agreed.
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12/27/2013 6:42:03 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/27/2013 6:30:35 PM, bsh1 wrote:
Reads:

Sparkies: Slightly Town. Was role-confirmed and has done nothing suspicious.
Hats: Probably Town. Suspicious first claim of Oracle, but it was also very risky. Hats also doesn't typically VTNL, but because she claimed so earlier, the risk of her being CC'd was high. That's not a risk Hats would take unless she knew she was safe. Ergo she is Oracle and is town.
TN05: Slightly Scum. Weird final VTL on Zaradi--OMGUS. Furthermore, I don't believe there is a roleblocker. We know Sparkies is Hunter, and I am fairly certain Hats is telling the truth about being Oracle. Thus, there is no roleblocker and TN05 is lying re: his role. His play also resembles his scum play (inactive with "fluff" and reactionary posts.)

Because I have townread two people, I am clearly wrong about at least one of them. I'm just not sure which. I am also not 100% sure about TN05--I just don't fully trust my instincts right now. Therefore, I too will

VTNL

I believe we are at 2-1-1, so hopefully we can still VTNL and get to a 2-0-0, 1-1-0, or 0-1-1 situation overnight...The 2-0-0 and 1-1-0 situations would be town wins, the other two cases the town would still be in the game. That's a 2/3rd chance of town survival and a 1/3rd chance of scum winning. Those aren't bad odds. Thus, it isn't a bad move to VTNL at this juncture...as far as I can ascertain.

2-0-0 would be a town win. The others would be scum wins.
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12/27/2013 6:43:14 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/27/2013 6:42:03 PM, Hatstand wrote:
At 12/27/2013 6:30:35 PM, bsh1 wrote:
Reads:

Sparkies: Slightly Town. Was role-confirmed and has done nothing suspicious.
Hats: Probably Town. Suspicious first claim of Oracle, but it was also very risky. Hats also doesn't typically VTNL, but because she claimed so earlier, the risk of her being CC'd was high. That's not a risk Hats would take unless she knew she was safe. Ergo she is Oracle and is town.
TN05: Slightly Scum. Weird final VTL on Zaradi--OMGUS. Furthermore, I don't believe there is a roleblocker. We know Sparkies is Hunter, and I am fairly certain Hats is telling the truth about being Oracle. Thus, there is no roleblocker and TN05 is lying re: his role. His play also resembles his scum play (inactive with "fluff" and reactionary posts.)

Because I have townread two people, I am clearly wrong about at least one of them. I'm just not sure which. I am also not 100% sure about TN05--I just don't fully trust my instincts right now. Therefore, I too will

VTNL

I believe we are at 2-1-1, so hopefully we can still VTNL and get to a 2-0-0, 1-1-0, or 0-1-1 situation overnight...The 2-0-0 and 1-1-0 situations would be town wins, the other two cases the town would still be in the game. That's a 2/3rd chance of town survival and a 1/3rd chance of scum winning. Those aren't bad odds. Thus, it isn't a bad move to VTNL at this juncture...as far as I can ascertain.

2-0-0 would be a town win. The others would be scum wins.

1 townie + 1 TP = Town-TP joint win. Ergo: 2 ways for town to win.
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12/27/2013 6:46:49 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/27/2013 6:43:14 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 12/27/2013 6:42:03 PM, Hatstand wrote:
At 12/27/2013 6:30:35 PM, bsh1 wrote:
Reads:

Sparkies: Slightly Town. Was role-confirmed and has done nothing suspicious.
Hats: Probably Town. Suspicious first claim of Oracle, but it was also very risky. Hats also doesn't typically VTNL, but because she claimed so earlier, the risk of her being CC'd was high. That's not a risk Hats would take unless she knew she was safe. Ergo she is Oracle and is town.
TN05: Slightly Scum. Weird final VTL on Zaradi--OMGUS. Furthermore, I don't believe there is a roleblocker. We know Sparkies is Hunter, and I am fairly certain Hats is telling the truth about being Oracle. Thus, there is no roleblocker and TN05 is lying re: his role. His play also resembles his scum play (inactive with "fluff" and reactionary posts.)

Because I have townread two people, I am clearly wrong about at least one of them. I'm just not sure which. I am also not 100% sure about TN05--I just don't fully trust my instincts right now. Therefore, I too will

VTNL

I believe we are at 2-1-1, so hopefully we can still VTNL and get to a 2-0-0, 1-1-0, or 0-1-1 situation overnight...The 2-0-0 and 1-1-0 situations would be town wins, the other two cases the town would still be in the game. That's a 2/3rd chance of town survival and a 1/3rd chance of scum winning. Those aren't bad odds. Thus, it isn't a bad move to VTNL at this juncture...as far as I can ascertain.

2-0-0 would be a town win. The others would be scum wins.

1 townie + 1 TP = Town-TP joint win. Ergo: 2 ways for town to win.

SK cannot joint win.
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12/27/2013 6:47:56 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/27/2013 6:46:49 PM, Hatstand wrote:
At 12/27/2013 6:43:14 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 12/27/2013 6:42:03 PM, Hatstand wrote:
At 12/27/2013 6:30:35 PM, bsh1 wrote:
Reads:

Sparkies: Slightly Town. Was role-confirmed and has done nothing suspicious.
Hats: Probably Town. Suspicious first claim of Oracle, but it was also very risky. Hats also doesn't typically VTNL, but because she claimed so earlier, the risk of her being CC'd was high. That's not a risk Hats would take unless she knew she was safe. Ergo she is Oracle and is town.
TN05: Slightly Scum. Weird final VTL on Zaradi--OMGUS. Furthermore, I don't believe there is a roleblocker. We know Sparkies is Hunter, and I am fairly certain Hats is telling the truth about being Oracle. Thus, there is no roleblocker and TN05 is lying re: his role. His play also resembles his scum play (inactive with "fluff" and reactionary posts.)

Because I have townread two people, I am clearly wrong about at least one of them. I'm just not sure which. I am also not 100% sure about TN05--I just don't fully trust my instincts right now. Therefore, I too will

VTNL

I believe we are at 2-1-1, so hopefully we can still VTNL and get to a 2-0-0, 1-1-0, or 0-1-1 situation overnight...The 2-0-0 and 1-1-0 situations would be town wins, the other two cases the town would still be in the game. That's a 2/3rd chance of town survival and a 1/3rd chance of scum winning. Those aren't bad odds. Thus, it isn't a bad move to VTNL at this juncture...as far as I can ascertain.

2-0-0 would be a town win. The others would be scum wins.

1 townie + 1 TP = Town-TP joint win. Ergo: 2 ways for town to win.

SK cannot joint win.

If we end up (1-1) with either mafia or the SK, then the next DP will end in a NL and the last townie will be killed overnight.
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12/27/2013 6:47:57 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/27/2013 6:46:49 PM, Hatstand wrote:
At 12/27/2013 6:43:14 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 12/27/2013 6:42:03 PM, Hatstand wrote:
At 12/27/2013 6:30:35 PM, bsh1 wrote:
Reads:

Sparkies: Slightly Town. Was role-confirmed and has done nothing suspicious.
Hats: Probably Town. Suspicious first claim of Oracle, but it was also very risky. Hats also doesn't typically VTNL, but because she claimed so earlier, the risk of her being CC'd was high. That's not a risk Hats would take unless she knew she was safe. Ergo she is Oracle and is town.
TN05: Slightly Scum. Weird final VTL on Zaradi--OMGUS. Furthermore, I don't believe there is a roleblocker. We know Sparkies is Hunter, and I am fairly certain Hats is telling the truth about being Oracle. Thus, there is no roleblocker and TN05 is lying re: his role. His play also resembles his scum play (inactive with "fluff" and reactionary posts.)

Because I have townread two people, I am clearly wrong about at least one of them. I'm just not sure which. I am also not 100% sure about TN05--I just don't fully trust my instincts right now. Therefore, I too will

VTNL

I believe we are at 2-1-1, so hopefully we can still VTNL and get to a 2-0-0, 1-1-0, or 0-1-1 situation overnight...The 2-0-0 and 1-1-0 situations would be town wins, the other two cases the town would still be in the game. That's a 2/3rd chance of town survival and a 1/3rd chance of scum winning. Those aren't bad odds. Thus, it isn't a bad move to VTNL at this juncture...as far as I can ascertain.

2-0-0 would be a town win. The others would be scum wins.

1 townie + 1 TP = Town-TP joint win. Ergo: 2 ways for town to win.

SK cannot joint win.

Khaos said in the OP that "joint wins were possible in this game..."

KHAOS: Can the SK joint win?
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12/27/2013 6:50:11 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/16/2013 10:56:34 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:

Third Party Roles
Serial Killer - Each night may kill another player. Wins when all other players are dead (joint win not possible).
Survivor - Wins by surviving until another faction achieves its win condition (joint win possible).
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12/27/2013 6:51:02 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/27/2013 6:50:11 PM, Hatstand wrote:
At 12/16/2013 10:56:34 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:

Third Party Roles
Serial Killer - Each night may kill another player. Wins when all other players are dead (joint win not possible).
Survivor - Wins by surviving until another faction achieves its win condition (joint win possible).

Okay. Then we still need to hunt for the SK. TN05 seems the most likely culprit. What are your thoughts?
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12/27/2013 6:56:23 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/27/2013 6:51:02 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 12/27/2013 6:50:11 PM, Hatstand wrote:
At 12/16/2013 10:56:34 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:

Third Party Roles
Serial Killer - Each night may kill another player. Wins when all other players are dead (joint win not possible).
Survivor - Wins by surviving until another faction achieves its win condition (joint win possible).

Okay. Then we still need to hunt for the SK. TN05 seems the most likely culprit. What are your thoughts?

TN is a likely SK seeing as he is very obviously scum, and yet he tried to kill Yay in the last DP.

I am very sure that TN is scum. His claim would have protected him from the NK NP1 - not a precaution you'd need to take if you didn't know there was another killing faction out there. He then basically told us that he was lying by claiming to have been visited by a redirector.

Plus, his hammer in the last DP was ridiculously scummy.

"I wanted to prove that I wasn't scum with Zaradi"? Shouldn't town be more concerned with lynching correctly than proving that they're not scum?

I also think that a solo mafioso and a SK are more or less the same thing, so we shouldn't be worrying about which we target.
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12/27/2013 7:00:31 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/27/2013 6:56:23 PM, Hatstand wrote:
At 12/27/2013 6:51:02 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 12/27/2013 6:50:11 PM, Hatstand wrote:
At 12/16/2013 10:56:34 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:

Third Party Roles
Serial Killer - Each night may kill another player. Wins when all other players are dead (joint win not possible).
Survivor - Wins by surviving until another faction achieves its win condition (joint win possible).

Okay. Then we still need to hunt for the SK. TN05 seems the most likely culprit. What are your thoughts?

TN is a likely SK seeing as he is very obviously scum, and yet he tried to kill Yay in the last DP.

I am very sure that TN is scum. His claim would have protected him from the NK NP1 - not a precaution you'd need to take if you didn't know there was another killing faction out there. He then basically told us that he was lying by claiming to have been visited by a redirector.

Plus, his hammer in the last DP was ridiculously scummy.

"I wanted to prove that I wasn't scum with Zaradi"? Shouldn't town be more concerned with lynching correctly than proving that they're not scum?

I also think that a solo mafioso and a SK are more or less the same thing, so we shouldn't be worrying about which we target.

Well, he is the clearest scum-read I have right now--mafia or TP SK.

The fact that his role "didn't work" earlier, but seems perfectly fine now, leads me to believe he is lying through his teeth. That's something he would do only as scum. That, and his playstyle, lead me to conclude he is scum.

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How should we proceed? Lynch now, or later? I am not sure how much investigation can be done today, seeing as both TN05 and Sparkies aren't super-active players...
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