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1/15/2014 12:13:20 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Dead last DP:

Airmax you are Darth Sion, the lord of pain. Patiently waiting at the Sith Academy on Korriban, you watched as Darth Revan and Darth Malak tore themselves apart. You have no intention of repeating their mistakes. Your body is also held together by the force. Each night you may do one of the following:

a. Power Overwhelming (1x) - The immense pain you feel is beyond comprehension. If you choose to unleash it, the force will swell around you and you will become a magnet for ALL night actions. You may attract all night actions to yourself.

b. You may combine your powers with those of Darth Nihilus and target one player. If that player is force sensitive they will be role blocked for the night, will have a 50% of irreversibly being cut off from the force, and 20% chance of forgetting their affiliation.

Dead last NP:

Buddamoose you are the Exile - Of all the jedi who fought in the mandalorian wars you were the only one to avoid the call of the darkside. You were the only one to return to the council, to stand behind the actions you took. Despite losing your connection to the force you were exiled by those you once trusted. Someday you will be instrumental to defeating the sith, but in the meantime must you regain your powers and and reaffirm your commitment to Jedi. Each night you may establish an overwhelming force bond with one other player. If they are force sensitive you will open a private PM with them, and you will take their powers. You may cancel one force bond every even night.

You win with the town.

Living players:

1. Ore_Ele
2. Glozone
3. Zaradi
4. Hatstand
5. Khaos
6. Logic_On_Railz

With 6 players alive it takes 4 to lynch.
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1/15/2014 2:00:48 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Okay so Logic and Glozone are confirmed with Budda's flip. I got a guilty on Khaos last night (hey what a suprise I investigated Khaos who I thought was scum, who'da thought).

VTL Khaos

Interesting side-note though I can't investigate anymore since I am now tree-stumped. If I remember right and it means I can't vote, my VTL should prove it. I already asked Yraelz about it and he said that the stump was dropped to the very last action, so my investigation went throuigh before being stumped.
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1/15/2014 2:05:30 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/15/2014 2:00:48 PM, Zaradi wrote:
Okay so Logic and Glozone are confirmed with Budda's flip. I got a guilty on Khaos last night (hey what a suprise I investigated Khaos who I thought was scum, who'da thought).

VTL Khaos

Interesting side-note though I can't investigate anymore since I am now tree-stumped. If I remember right and it means I can't vote, my VTL should prove it. I already asked Yraelz about it and he said that the stump was dropped to the very last action, so my investigation went throuigh before being stumped.

Hey, big surprise, Zaradi is coming after me, with our, what, third or fourth investigative role, and at MYLO no less?
VTL Zaradi
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1/15/2014 2:11:39 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/15/2014 2:07:36 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
Wait a minute....
Zaradi, how are you tree stumped?

How am I tree-stumped? Uhhh Yraelz told me I was tree-stumped lol.
Are you claiming Budda came after you?

No? I'm claiming I was tree-stumped. Idk what that has to do with Budda...
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1/15/2014 2:14:33 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/15/2014 2:11:39 PM, Zaradi wrote:
At 1/15/2014 2:07:36 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
Wait a minute....
Zaradi, how are you tree stumped?

How am I tree-stumped? Uhhh Yraelz told me I was tree-stumped lol.
Are you claiming Budda came after you?

No? I'm claiming I was tree-stumped. Idk what that has to do with Budda...

So...
to be clear, you no longer have your role. Is that right?
My work here is, finally, done.
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1/15/2014 2:49:22 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/15/2014 2:14:33 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 1/15/2014 2:11:39 PM, Zaradi wrote:
At 1/15/2014 2:07:36 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
Wait a minute....
Zaradi, how are you tree stumped?

How am I tree-stumped? Uhhh Yraelz told me I was tree-stumped lol.
Are you claiming Budda came after you?

No? I'm claiming I was tree-stumped. Idk what that has to do with Budda...

So...
to be clear, you no longer have your role. Is that right?

Yes. I do not have my role.
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1/15/2014 2:53:39 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Also, I watched Logic. I thought the mafia would target the person that can act every night rather than every other.
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1/15/2014 3:04:58 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/15/2014 2:52:37 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
Khaos, what was your role again?

1x vig (used to kill AnDoc)
Bulletproof against non-force types.
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1/15/2014 3:05:31 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/15/2014 2:49:22 PM, Zaradi wrote:

Yes. I do not have my role.

And, why do you think that is?
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1/15/2014 3:23:23 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/15/2014 3:05:31 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 1/15/2014 2:49:22 PM, Zaradi wrote:

Yes. I do not have my role.

And, why do you think that is?

Because I was tree-stumped? I don't get the point of this.
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1/15/2014 3:25:18 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/15/2014 3:23:23 PM, Zaradi wrote:
At 1/15/2014 3:05:31 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 1/15/2014 2:49:22 PM, Zaradi wrote:

Yes. I do not have my role.

And, why do you think that is?

Because I was tree-stumped? I don't get the point of this.

How many tree-stumpers do you think there are in this game?
My work here is, finally, done.
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1/15/2014 3:30:11 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/15/2014 3:25:18 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 1/15/2014 3:23:23 PM, Zaradi wrote:
At 1/15/2014 3:05:31 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 1/15/2014 2:49:22 PM, Zaradi wrote:

Yes. I do not have my role.

And, why do you think that is?

Because I was tree-stumped? I don't get the point of this.

How many tree-stumpers do you think there are in this game?

I wasn't aware of a tree-stumper being in the game up to this point. I still don't get the point of this.
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1/15/2014 3:33:18 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/15/2014 3:30:11 PM, Zaradi wrote:
At 1/15/2014 3:25:18 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 1/15/2014 3:23:23 PM, Zaradi wrote:
At 1/15/2014 3:05:31 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 1/15/2014 2:49:22 PM, Zaradi wrote:

Yes. I do not have my role.

And, why do you think that is?

Because I was tree-stumped? I don't get the point of this.

How many tree-stumpers do you think there are in this game?

I wasn't aware of a tree-stumper being in the game up to this point. I still don't get the point of this.

Two tree-stumpers have been killed already, and you expect us to believe that you were targeted by a third?
My work here is, finally, done.
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1/15/2014 3:40:48 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Well, this DP should be a rather simple affair. I investigated Zaradi, and he came back innocent. His statement was true. Now, that would tend to imply that you are guilty, right Khaos? Perhaps there are a few too many 1 shot vigs Khaos... might you be the odd one out?

Just a few questions before we proceed:

1. Zaradi, I presume your investigation of Khaos yielded an affiliation result as opposed to a role reveal?
2. OreEle, did anyone visit me last night?
3. Yraelz, when will the vote count be updated?

Obviously, Zaradi is also confirmable through his claim of being tree-stumped. It'd be nice to prove that publicly. Proving that means that we'd need every single person to vote Khaos besides himself. Which makes me wonder if 2 Mafia can even exist - that person + Khaos could forestall a lynch. While next DP only 3 would be required to lynch, you would expect the Mafia to have killed one of the townspeople with a vote.

Assuming Yraelz has thought all this through, it would seem like Khaos is the last Mafia.

VTL Khaos

Perhaps a little premature, but I don't see anything going wrong, so let's go for it.
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1/15/2014 3:46:10 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/15/2014 3:40:48 PM, Logic_on_rails wrote:
Well, this DP should be a rather simple affair. I investigated Zaradi, and he came back innocent. His statement was true. Now, that would tend to imply that you are guilty, right Khaos? Perhaps there are a few too many 1 shot vigs Khaos... might you be the odd one out?

Just a few questions before we proceed:

1. Zaradi, I presume your investigation of Khaos yielded an affiliation result as opposed to a role reveal?
2. OreEle, did anyone visit me last night?
3. Yraelz, when will the vote count be updated?

Obviously, Zaradi is also confirmable through his claim of being tree-stumped. It'd be nice to prove that publicly. Proving that means that we'd need every single person to vote Khaos besides himself. Which makes me wonder if 2 Mafia can even exist - that person + Khaos could forestall a lynch. While next DP only 3 would be required to lynch, you would expect the Mafia to have killed one of the townspeople with a vote.

Assuming Yraelz has thought all this through, it would seem like Khaos is the last Mafia.

VTL Khaos

Perhaps a little premature, but I don't see anything going wrong, so let's go for it.

Or you and Zaradi are the last two mafia....

Vigs, aside, how do you explain Zaradi's treestump?
It couldn't have been from Airmax, since he was dead last turn.
It couldn't have been from Budda, since droid's don't use the force.

So, that means that there are three tree-stumpers in the game.
Will the real tree stumper please stand up?
I highly highly doubt that mafia would have two.
My work here is, finally, done.
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1/15/2014 3:51:09 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Logic, are you assuming there is only one mafia left?
If not, there is everything to lose, since we'd be at MYLO.

Also, ever think that your results could be flawed, or Zaradi's?
What about my behavior has been scummy?
I gave independent reasoning for every one of my lynches, and found two scum.
That is not sheeping, that is scum hunting.
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1/15/2014 3:53:19 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/15/2014 3:46:10 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 1/15/2014 3:40:48 PM, Logic_on_rails wrote:
Well, this DP should be a rather simple affair. I investigated Zaradi, and he came back innocent. His statement was true. Now, that would tend to imply that you are guilty, right Khaos? Perhaps there are a few too many 1 shot vigs Khaos... might you be the odd one out?

Just a few questions before we proceed:

1. Zaradi, I presume your investigation of Khaos yielded an affiliation result as opposed to a role reveal?
2. OreEle, did anyone visit me last night?
3. Yraelz, when will the vote count be updated?

Obviously, Zaradi is also confirmable through his claim of being tree-stumped. It'd be nice to prove that publicly. Proving that means that we'd need every single person to vote Khaos besides himself. Which makes me wonder if 2 Mafia can even exist - that person + Khaos could forestall a lynch. While next DP only 3 would be required to lynch, you would expect the Mafia to have killed one of the townspeople with a vote.

Assuming Yraelz has thought all this through, it would seem like Khaos is the last Mafia.

VTL Khaos

Perhaps a little premature, but I don't see anything going wrong, so let's go for it.

Or you and Zaradi are the last two mafia....
I don't actually think that, but at MYLO, pushing for a lynch, seems a bit scummy.
Had you gotten a guilty, I'd understand, but you are making some dangerous assumptions.

Vigs, aside, how do you explain Zaradi's treestump?
It couldn't have been from Airmax, since he was dead last turn.
It couldn't have been from Budda, since droid's don't use the force.

So, that means that there are three tree-stumpers in the game.
Will the real tree stumper please stand up?
I highly highly doubt that mafia would have two.
My work here is, finally, done.
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1/15/2014 3:55:04 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/15/2014 3:46:10 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:

Or you and Zaradi are the last two mafia....

Well, yes, it is possible I suppose. You know, I've heard from utterly unreputable sources that lie detector / commuters are in vogue as Mafia roles in 2014. That is what Budda proved my role to be. Clearly, a sneaky trick Yraelz.

Or, less elaborately... I'm town.

Vigs, aside, how do you explain Zaradi's treestump?
It couldn't have been from Airmax, since he was dead last turn.
It couldn't have been from Budda, since droid's don't use the force.

So, that means that there are three tree-stumpers in the game.
Will the real tree stumper please stand up?
I highly highly doubt that mafia would have two.

Why does Zaradi's tree-stump need to be explained? If I know he's town I believe him, just like we trust Glozone in not claiming. Besides, you think the Mafia would tell us what their night actions were so we could verify his story? Of course not.

Khaos, the only way you're getting out alive is if the Mafia have a lie detector / commuter role. And they don't.
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1/15/2014 4:00:51 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Khaos, we make assumptions in Mafia. Many assumptions we make are beneficial. I could be an insane 2 shot lie detector, but... lie detectors tend not to be ever be flavoured, and I doubt that Zaradi and Glozone are the remaining Mafia. Also, godfather esque roles don't exist for lie detectors - I'd consider such an instance of bastard modding. Essentially, I have very few doubts about my role.

So, Zaradi is town irregardless of the accuracy of his investigation... which means you shouldn't be trying to lynch him.

As usual, we presume investigations to not be flawed, especially 1 shot investigatory powers. Do I think Zaradi is a paranoid or insane 1 shot cop? No. That's why you're to die, assuming the answers to my earlier questions are not disconcerting to me.
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1/15/2014 4:01:40 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/15/2014 3:55:04 PM, Logic_on_rails wrote:
At 1/15/2014 3:46:10 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:

Or you and Zaradi are the last two mafia....

Well, yes, it is possible I suppose. You know, I've heard from utterly unreputable sources that lie detector / commuters are in vogue as Mafia roles in 2014. That is what Budda proved my role to be. Clearly, a sneaky trick Yraelz.
I've already recanted OMGUS suspicion.
I am just saying that at MYLO, we should only lynch if we are sure.

Or, less elaborately... I'm town.

Vigs, aside, how do you explain Zaradi's treestump?
It couldn't have been from Airmax, since he was dead last turn.
It couldn't have been from Budda, since droid's don't use the force.

So, that means that there are three tree-stumpers in the game.
Will the real tree stumper please stand up?
I highly highly doubt that mafia would have two.

Why does Zaradi's tree-stump need to be explained? If I know he's town I believe him, just like we trust Glozone in not claiming. Besides, you think the Mafia would tell us what their night actions were so we could verify his story? Of course not.
Do you think mafia has two tree stumpers?
We already know it takes two mafia to tree stump (Darth Nihlius), and you seem to think there is only one mafia left.
So, therefore, ONLY town could have tree stumped Zaradi, or Budda, but Zaradi is a droid who doesn't use the force, so he's out.

Khaos, the only way you're getting out alive is if the Mafia have a lie detector / commuter role. And they don't.

Think Logic, please.
If there are only two mafia, there is no reason the tree stumper won't come forward.
If there is three mafia, then we are at MYLO, and shouldn't lynch based on this alone.
You could investigate me tonight.
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1/15/2014 4:06:34 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/15/2014 4:00:51 PM, Logic_on_rails wrote:
Khaos, we make assumptions in Mafia. Many assumptions we make are beneficial. I could be an insane 2 shot lie detector, but... lie detectors tend not to be ever be flavoured, and I doubt that Zaradi and Glozone are the remaining Mafia. Also, godfather esque roles don't exist for lie detectors - I'd consider such an instance of bastard modding. Essentially, I have very few doubts about my role.
There are like three cops in this game, do you not think the mafia have some way around this. I have to think they must.

So, Zaradi is town irregardless of the accuracy of his investigation... which means you shouldn't be trying to lynch him.
His claim of tree stump makes no logical sense to me.
Town MUST have tree stumped him. As such, they should come forward.
Otherwise, he is lying. There is no way Budda should have been able to tree stump him, and mafia couldn't have.

I am almost certain there must be three mafia.
Two to tree stump, and one to affect the cops.


As usual, we presume investigations to not be flawed, especially 1 shot investigatory powers. Do I think Zaradi is a paranoid or insane 1 shot cop? No. That's why you're to die, assuming the answers to my earlier questions are not disconcerting to me.

He's not 1-shot.
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1/15/2014 4:09:12 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/15/2014 3:46:10 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:

Vigs, aside, how do you explain Zaradi's treestump?
It couldn't have been from Airmax, since he was dead last turn.
It couldn't have been from Budda, since droid's don't use the force.

So, that means that there are three tree-stumpers in the game.
Will the real tree stumper please stand up?

That would be me.

I highly highly doubt that mafia would have two.

Budda didn't tree stump. He temporarily role stole. It didn't explicitly say that Airmax was a tree stumper either. It just said that he cut people off from the force.

My night action is:

a. You may choose one other player each night to target. If that player is the droid HK-47 or the droid G0-TO, you will be presented with multiple hacking options. Whatever option you choose will be successful. However, if you choose a player to target, who is not a droid, your hacking attempt will fail. As a result, either HK-47 or G0-T0 will be alerted of your presence. Over private PM, the player will be told who you are. Choose wisely, those droids might not be friendly.

When I hacked Zaradi, the hacking attempt was successful. That means that Zaradi is definitely a droid. However, I suspected that he might have been TP based on his (or F-16's) behaviour.

It is very unlikely either HK-47 or G0-T0 is mafia, as neither of them is connected to the Sith.

I was given the option to upgrade or disable Zaradi, and no choice to no action. Given my suspicion of him, I wasn't willing to upgrade him. I suspected that disabling him would either rob him of his role, or kill him. I figured that his death would be beneficial to the town, especially if he were TP, but also if he were town because we would have another mislynch target lying around, and our even numbers would eventually take us to MYLO, whereas if he was dead we would end up at LYLO with fewer chances to get it wrong.

This morning I was informed that I had tree stumped him.

Anyway, knowing that Zaradi is really unlikely to be scum, I believe Logic 100%.

VTL Khaos.
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1/15/2014 4:09:32 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Unvote VTNL
I am not sure we can trust Logic's results, and obviously Zaradi's we can't, so let's see what happens tonight. Maybe there will be a clue in the flip.
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1/15/2014 4:11:50 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/15/2014 4:09:12 PM, Hatstand wrote:

Anyway, knowing that Zaradi is really unlikely to be scum, I believe Logic 100%.

That is to say, based on his possible characters, he is really unlikely to be mafia. I keep getting mafia and scum confused.
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1/15/2014 4:13:15 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/15/2014 4:09:32 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
Unvote VTNL
I am not sure we can trust Logic's results, and obviously Zaradi's we can't, so let's see what happens tonight. Maybe there will be a clue in the flip.

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1/15/2014 4:14:04 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Well, that sucks for me...
I still don't think we can trust Zaradi's results so. Well, I KNOW we can't, but still.
Logic, why not investigate me tonight.
I found a 1x doc on geonosis.
I'll protect you tonight, so you can investigate me.
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1/15/2014 4:14:14 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
This is quite amusing.

At 1/15/2014 4:06:34 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 1/15/2014 4:00:51 PM, Logic_on_rails wrote:
Khaos, we make assumptions in Mafia. Many assumptions we make are beneficial. I could be an insane 2 shot lie detector, but... lie detectors tend not to be ever be flavoured, and I doubt that Zaradi and Glozone are the remaining Mafia. Also, godfather esque roles don't exist for lie detectors - I'd consider such an instance of bastard modding. Essentially, I have very few doubts about my role.
There are like three cops in this game, do you not think the mafia have some way around this. I have to think they must.

Then why aren't reconsidering Glozone's alliance? You sound awfully desperate and inconsistent.

So, Zaradi is town irregardless of the accuracy of his investigation... which means you shouldn't be trying to lynch him.
His claim of tree stump makes no logical sense to me.
Town MUST have tree stumped him. As such, they should come forward.
Otherwise, he is lying. There is no way Budda should have been able to tree stump him, and mafia couldn't have.

Every town player besides Glozone has completely role claimed. Do you think Glozone is a tree-stumper? Glozone, are you a tree stumper?

If not, I do believe the Mafia tree stumped Zaradi.

I am almost certain there must be three mafia.

With 6 players left and 4 needed to lynch... yes, there must be 3 Mafia left. No, wait! 4 Mafia left, clearly!

There can't be 3 Mafia left or this DP wouldn't exist.
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