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Yraelz
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1/17/2014 1:45:09 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Places, in order:
1st and 2nd place - Tie Town and the Droids
3rd place - The Mafia
4th place - Logical_Master
5th place - Glozone

Analysis: After Glozones vote in DP4 there was literally no way remaining for Khaos to win this game. However, there was a possibility of Khaos killing Hatstand during NP4 which would disallow the droids from controlling the game (see: Zardari tree stumped). Alternatively a hidden condition in this game, considering Glozone's non-mafia affiliation, was that Khaos had the final say on who to kill. Since he was 1x unlynchable it's possible he would have used his NK to kill Glozone out of spite. Doing so would have revealed Glozone, and thereby both of the other droids, as non-town. There is also a feasible scenario in which the game was tied. If Hatstand had lived and restored Zardari's powers then this game could have ended with Hatstand, Zardari, Ore_Ele, and LOR. Thus, due to the implosion of my game, I will award a tie to the town and droids.

Mafia receives 3rd place for dying before both of the previously mentioned factions. Logical receives 4th place for dying first. And Glozone receives last for specifically violating the clause of his role PM which reads, "However, you are strictly disallowed from outing the mafia role PMs or ever mentioning that you were part of the mafia role PM. Doing either will result in an instant last place." Though I will mention that his play was quite exciting up until said point. =D

More analysis and game setup to come.
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1/17/2014 1:47:34 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Roles (with hidden clauses intact):

1. Buddamoose you are the Exile - Of all the jedi who fought in the mandalorian wars you were the only one to avoid the call of the darkside. You were the only one to return to the council, to stand behind the actions you took. Despite losing your connection to the force you were exiled by those you once trusted. Someday you will be instrumental to defeating the sith, but in the meantime must you regain your powers and and reaffirm your commitment to Jedi. Each night you may establish an overwhelming force bond with one other player. If they are force sensitive you will open a private PM with them, and you will take their powers. You may cancel one force bond every even night.

You win with the town.

(Mod Note: Flavored - Sees the good version of every role she steals. Will only see the Sith"s first two roles: Random Redirect, and Lightning Rod.)

(Hidden: Power overload - Attempting to take a 3rd power will simply role block Meetra for the night. She will be informed of the power overload condition.)

2. Logical_Master you are Kreia or Darth Traya (take your pick) - Denounced by the Jedi and then again by the Sith, you have come to abhor the force. You only wish to betray those who have betrayed you, and through it destroy the force. Each night period you may choose to mentor another player. If you successfully mentor a force sensitive player a bond will open and you will be able to communicate with each other. The following message will be displayed in the joint PM:

"(Kreia or Darth Traya depending on who you select) has offered to teach you in the ways of the force. Together you posses the power to overcome (insert Jedi or Sith name here). If you both agree, you may forfeit your usual night actions in order to instant kill (a random Jedi or Sith)."

If the other player is foolish enough to agree, you will stab them in the back and destroy them. To win this game you must kill one Jedi and one Sith in this manner. If you target the exile, you will be destroyed. You win with yourself.

Fake Claim:

15. xxx you are Mical the Disciple. Your destiny is quite unclear Mical. Will you join the Sith or the Jedi? You have the potential to become a Consular. You will not like the galaxy if the sith are to win. Thus you must act against the instinct which would control you. Each night you may choose a character. If they are a Jedi they will teach you how to use the force and you will have the chance to destroy a Sith lord.

You win with the town.

3. F16 you are HK-47. Designed by Darth Revan to hunt those he desired, you are adept in killing others. But you have recently been repaired by your former master, and now serve the Jedi, thus you may also gather information. As such you have a series of actions you select an action each night:

a. You may gather intel on a player. Targeting said player will allow you to determine something (50% role, 50% affiliation) about them.

b. You may attempt to assassinate one other player. 1(x)
If T3-M4 dies you will no longer posses night actions. You win with the town.

(Flavor Faulty Circuitry: The NK appears to be role blocked.)

4. Hatstand you are T3-M4. Designed as a master slicer droid for the crime king David Kang, your life as a villain was fortunately short lived. Aboard the Ebon Hawk, others have viewed you as a valuable asset in assisting Revan in his quest to find the Star Forge. In reality, you are greatest utility droid ever created, capable of repairing entire star fleets without guidance. You have a one-shot DP action that you may use:

a. During any DP, at any time, you may hack the mainframe computer and re-route one person"s vote. For the remainder of that DP, that person will be stuck permanently voting for the player you specified. Everyone will be told, "the mainframe has been hacked."

You also possess a night action:

a. You may choose one other player each night to target. If that player is the droid HK-47 or the droid G0-TO, you will be presented with multiple hacking options. Whatever option you choose will be successful. However, if you choose a player to target, who is not a droid, your hacking attempt will fail. As a result, either HK-47 or G0-T0 will be alerted of your presence. Over private PM, the player will be told who you are. Choose wisely, those droids might not be friendly.

You win with the town.

Options:
HK-47 Repair (every night vig) or Disable (tree stump).
G0-T0 Repair (Insta-starts Droid win condition) or Disable (tree stump).
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1/17/2014 1:51:24 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
5. Lucky_Luciano you are Atris. Nothing can dissuade you from your utter belief in the Jedi. You believe them infallible to any end. But deep inside you feel their treatment of Meetra Surik, your most esteemed colleague, was... not quite right. Maybe she was wrong, you"re just not sure anymore, your grasp on right and wrong is slipping...

For now Atris, you win with the town. But for each turn you will slip further and further into darkness. Unless you can find a way to stop this madness.

Atris, each night you must do this:

a. Use your army of Echani Handmaidens to role block and protect one character.

Failure to do so will result in your instant death.

(Special Condition: Each DP a mod note is posted which documents the slow conversion of Atrix to the dark side. She never turns. LOLOLOL)

6. FourTrouble you are Bao-Dur. You are one of the greatest minds to ever grace the galaxy. But brilliance comes at such a high cost; you will be presented with choices which will change the course of history itself. Your options are as follows:

x. Activate the Mass Shadow Generator (1x): Pick one player, if they are force sensitive you will cut them off from the force. (Hidden: Tree Stump yourself).

y. Shield Forge (unlimited): Your craftsmanship is better than the handmaiden's. Forge a shield which will protect a player for 1 night.

You win with the town.

Force Sensitive

7. Ore_Ele you are Vissas Mar. A once great apprentice under Darth Nihilius, you were recently defeated by Meetra Surik. Her abilities impressed upon your mind the need to defy the sith once again. Your new apprenticeship is relatively useless due to it"s limited longevity. Each night you may exercise your force powers to watch a single player and see who visits them.

You win with the town.

8. Logic_On_Railz you are Mira. Bounty hunting has it"s advantages, especially if you"re not the kind of bounty hunter that kills people. You"re quite slippery, but also skilled at getting to know your targets. Figuring out their motivations is an integral step in attaining your bounties. Thus you command the following abilities:

a. 2x Commute

b. 2x Lie Detector (flavored: always truthful, Mira always shows mercy if her victims would be faced with death)

You win with the town.

9. An_Doctuir you are Brianna the HandMaiden Babe.
You babe, you hidden fruit you; oh man your conception was even forbidden. Those beautiful blue eyes, that bountiful, flowing silver hair" What are you even? An Echani Handmaiden? More like a Jedi, Echani, half-Maiden sexy beast. Oh god yeah.

a. 1x Seduce Target - They join you in a PM (Hidden: she couldn"t seduce a wall, walls were not part of her training. If fails)
b. 1x Throw Light Saber - Pick a target, kill it (Hidden: accidentally destroys the shadow reactor, tree stumps Bao-Dur)
c. 1x Touch the Force - Sense the force around you. (Hidden: does nothing.)
d. 1x Betray Aatris - Redirect Atris to you, your act of betrayal assures her retribution.
e. 1x Find the Droid - Reveal a random droid during the next DP.
f. 1x Find the Shadow Reactor (Hidden: finds Bao-Dur unless the shadow reactor was previously destroyed)
g. 1x Target player for Sex - Consequences Vary (Hidden: Displays the message, "the sex was wild" in the following DP.)
h. 1x Echani Techniques - Redirect one players night action to another player.
i. 1x Summon The Shadow - Role Blocks a player (Hidden: Not a Star Wars force power, fails)
j. 1x Find HanHarr (Hidden: "He"s not in this game").
k. 1x Find Mical the Disciple (Hidden: "He"s not in this game").
l. 1x Destroy the shadow reactor (Hidden: Only works if the shadow reactor was previously found, tree stumps Brianna, otherwise, "could not find the shadow reactor").
m. 1x Take It All Off - Unknown Consequences (Hidden: mod confirmed as Brianna the Handmaiden).

You win with the town.
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1/17/2014 1:53:44 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
10. Khaos you are Darth Nihilus, the lord of hunger. In the mandalorian wars you lost everything and only barely survived the mass shadow generator. Your body has been torn asunder by the very force which you crave, and so you are consumed by the dark in order to survive. Due to the overwhelming amount of force that you control, you are 1x lynch proof. Though, upon your lynch the town will be told that, "Who were you trying to lynch? So very hungry, "I hunger for your souls.""

Each night you may choose an action:

a. You may use your immense powers to create a nexus over the entire mafia team (1x). Doing so will redirect all night actions randomly at a new player. Though, the new direction may be at a mafia player.

b. You may combine your powers with those of Darth Sion and target one player. If that player is force sensitive they will be role blocked for the night, will have a 50% of irreversibly being cut off from the force, and 20% chance of forgetting their affiliation.

You win with the triumvirate.

11. Airmax you are Darth Sion, the lord of pain. Patiently waiting at the Sith Academy on Korriban, you watched as Darth Revan and Darth Malak tore themselves apart. You have no intention of repeating their mistakes. Your body is also held together by the force. Each night you may do one of the following:

a. Power Overwhelming (1x) - The immense pain you feel is beyond comprehension. If you choose to unleash it, the force will swell around you and you will become a magnet for ALL night actions. You may attract all night actions to yourself.

b. You may combine your powers with those of Darth Nihilus and target one player. If that player is force sensitive they will be role blocked for the night, will have a 50% of irreversibly being cut off from the force, and 20% chance of forgetting their affiliation.

12. Glozone you are G0-T0. Your directives were simple, were they not? First, rebuild the republic. And second, follow all the laws of the republic. How did you fail? Breaking both your directives you became the single greatest crime boss in the galaxy. With ingenious use of holographic technology you were capable of convincing everyone except Meetra Surik. But no problem, afterall you could program HK-50"s to hunt her down.

Each night you may produce a hologram to overlay one player. You may write them a brand new role PM. Upon investigation they will be disguised. If they die during the following day they will also be disguised. (In the event of mislynch the role PM randomly states, "the mainframe is hacked" inside of it. Randomly generated after word X)

You win with the triumvirate.

Secret Role PM: G0-T0, you may win the game for yourself by hacking both T3-M4 and HK-47. Upon hacking the 2nd one of them you will start a role PM with both T3-M4 and HK-47. Your and their win conditions will be changed to: "You win with the droids."

However, you are strictly disallowed from outing the mafia role PMs or ever mentioning that you were part of the mafia role PM. Doing either will result in an instant last place. You are also strictly disallowed from outing this PM to the mafia, or your additional abilities.

Finally, you may override your disguise ability in this thread. For instance, in the mafia PM you could write a role PM but then completely change it in this PM. Your finesse with computers will leave the dark lords completely oblivious to your ruse.

(hidden: G0-T0 can revive a dead droid by hacking it. Only works one time. The second time the droid will be irreparably damaged.)
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1/17/2014 1:54:57 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Mafia Fakes Claims:

13. xxx you are Mandalore. With the mask now back in Mandalorian hands you have become Mandalore the Preserver. Few can touch your prowess on the battlefield, and even less can overcome the commanding armies which you control. You must aid the Surik in her battle against the triumvirate or all will be lost. You have two abilities:

a. You are 1x lynch proof.
b. You are 1x bullet proof.

You win with the town.

14. xxx you are Atton Rand. The lost Jedi must aid Meetra Surik or be lost forever. Your time under Darth Revan has come to an end. But your training will prove invaluable as you progress against the dark lords. You have commandeered the Ebon Hawk and you are adept in its use. Each night you may use the Ebon Hawk to track one player. You may also use it to stowaway a player each night, thereby role blocking and protecting them.

You win with the town.

15. Revan doesn't exist in this game.
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1/17/2014 1:57:38 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/17/2014 1:54:57 AM, Yraelz wrote:

15. Revan doesn't exist in this game.

Except it wasn't just the mafia game that this statement applied to.
Yraelz
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1/17/2014 1:57:57 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Theme Analysis:
The point of this game was entirely focused on misinformation. Thus, the method to win this game, for the town, was almost strictly motivational analysis. The only 'real' cop in this game was F16 with Ore_Ele having a legit watcher. To that end I think the town mostly failed, however I'd say at least one character caught onto the reality of the situation by DP3. To that end:

Town/Overall MvP:
Easily goes to Hatstand. I think her analysis during DP3 and DP4 was spot on.
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1/17/2014 1:59:43 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Planet Discovery List:
1. Half DP silencer (5x): Dagobath, Naboo, Ulapau, Thyferra, Dalonbian
2. 1x Doctor (3x): Corellia, Glee Anselm, Gordin Reach
3. Holocron @ Lucky:Everywhere
4. Amnesiac (1x): Bespin
5. Double vote (2x): Gricho, Illum
6. Secret Hated (2x): Gamorr, Vulpter
7. Secret Pacifist (2x): Lahara, Boz Pity
8. 1x Alarmist (2x): Kor-Uj, Malastare
9. 1x Bomb (1x): Bormea
10. 1x Deathproof (1x): Tython
11. 1x Janitor (1x): Dathomir
12. Secret Miller (1x): Toydaria
13. 1x role block (4x): Kalarba, Yavin, Sesswenna, Tepani
14. 1x cop (1x): Mustafar
15. Hidden beloved princess (1x): Atrivia
16. Reviver (1x): Subterrel
17. 1x Messenger (3x): Geonosis, Auril, Apatros
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1/17/2014 2:00:16 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Misinformation like specifically goading me into voting for Khaos by telling me I'd basically won and all I had to do was vote for him while knowing that doing so would set up a chain reaction you expected to get me killed? That kind of misinformation? The lying, manipulating your own game kind?
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1/17/2014 2:01:19 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
NP1 Actions:
1. Buddamose: Attempts force bond with Logic_On_Rails (success)
Waives planet visit.

2. AnDoctuir: Attempts to seduce hatstand for sex (fails).
Waives planet visit.

3. Lucky_Luciano: Jails and protects An_Doctuir (success)
Visits Malachor V (finds his holocron)

4. Ore_Ele: Watches Logic on Rails (sees Buddamoose visit her)
Visits Tython (finds 1x deathproof)

5. FourTrouble: Protects himself (success)
Visits TelosIV (Finds Nothing)

6. Logic_On_Railz: Checks Glozone"s IWWTT statement (Innocent flavored)
Waives his visit

7. Hatstand: Waives night action.
Visits TelosIV (finds nothing)

8. F16: Kills Lucky (fails flavored)
Visits Felucia (finds nothing)

9. Khaos_Mage
Tree stumps F16 with Airmax (Fails, not a force sensitive target)
Visits Pylif (finds nothing)

10. Glozone Recruits F16 Falcon (success - F16 is HK47)
Glozone disguises himself with the Atton Rand claim (success)
Visits Dagobah (finds half DP silencer)

11. Airmax Kills Lucky (success)
Treestumps F16 with Khaos (Fails, not a force sensitive target)
Visits Alderaan (finds nothing)
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1/17/2014 2:03:20 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
NP2 Actions:
1. Buddamoose - Cancels force bond with Logic (sucess)
Waives visit.

2. AnDoctuir
Vig Kill F16 (fails)
Waives planet visit.

3. Ore_Ele
Watches Budda (no one visits)
Uses Invincibility (success)
Visit Dagobah (nothing remains)

4. Logic_On_Railz
Has no actions
Waives Visit

5. Hatstand - Waives Action
Visits Dantoine (finds nothing)

6. F16
Waives Actions

7. Khaos_Mage
Uses Nexus (success, though no one targets the mafia)
Kill Andoctuir (success)
Visits Geonosis (1x message)

8. Glozone
Recruits LOR (fails)
Visits Tatoine (nothing found)

9. Airmax
Visits Naboo (half DP Silencer)

10. Lucky + FT
Both RB AnDoctuir (previously killed, no effect)

DP3.
1. Khaos silences Zaradi for half 2.

2. Hatstand reroutes Airmax"s vote to himself.
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1/17/2014 2:04:42 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
NP3 Actions:

1. Zaradi
Cops Khaos (guilty)
Visits Nar Shadaa (nothing)

2. LOR
Checks Zaradi"s IWWT (innocent flavor)

3. Ore_Ele
Watches Logic (no one)
Visits Corusant (Nothing)

4. Glozone
Recruits Hatstand (Forms new faction)
Gives Ore_Ele Airmax"s role. (Success)
Visits Hoth (Nothing)

5. Hatstand
Hacks Zaradi (chooses to deactivate him)

6. Buddamoose
Forcebonds with Hatstand (But dies)

7. Khaos
Visit Endor (Nothing)
Kills Budda (Success)
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1/17/2014 2:07:55 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/17/2014 2:00:16 AM, Glozone wrote:
Misinformation like specifically goading me into voting for Khaos by telling me I'd basically won and all I had to do was vote for him while knowing that doing so would set up a chain reaction you expected to get me killed? That kind of misinformation? The lying, manipulating your own game kind?

My exact statement to you was, "Yeah so. It's basically your vote for the win. =P"

The key word here was, "basically", since you knew (massive emphasis) that Khaos_Mage had a 1x lynchproof which meant that you would have to garner votes during 1 more DP.
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1/17/2014 2:09:43 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/17/2014 2:00:16 AM, Glozone wrote:
Misinformation like specifically goading me into voting for Khaos by telling me I'd basically won and all I had to do was vote for him while knowing that doing so would set up a chain reaction you expected to get me killed? That kind of misinformation? The lying, manipulating your own game kind?

Also I'll point out that you had the single greatest chances of winning out of every single role in the game. You literally had two separate win conditions. Compared to people like AnDoctuir who had nearly every single action flavored, your advantages were immense. I don't think you can complain about misinformation.
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1/17/2014 2:10:55 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
I didn't know. I either hadn't read it or had forgotten because that message first showed up over a month ago. Either way, especially since I had been gone for a while and when I showed up there was a movement to modkill me, when I read your post saying it's basically my vote for the win I did not, in fact, take "basically" to mean:

"Actually, except, if you vote for Khaos it will won't take and thus will out you as betraying him which would obviously get you killed anyway" Why would you be trying to get me to vote for him if I knew he could be modkilled? Why IN THE WORLD would you be telling anybody in the game to do anything?! You're supposed to be an impartial Mafia! I figured it was you just being "Yeah. Game's over! Finish it!" Maybe I jumped to conclusions, but you sure as hell laid out some conclusions for me to jump to.
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1/17/2014 2:13:05 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Mafia MvP:
Khaos_Mage for continually coordinating the mafia's efforts. Without him the mafia PM would have been all but dead. Khaos' decision to kill Budda very nearly ended the towns chances of ever winning this game.
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1/17/2014 2:13:33 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
If other players in the game trick me, fine, shame on me. If the Mod tricks me, it's shame on them. I obviously outplayed everyone here. Maybe hubris and the degree to which I was bored by the game ultimately stabbed me in the back, but you gave hubris and my boredom the knife as far as I'm concerned. Droids win.
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1/17/2014 2:19:04 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/17/2014 2:13:33 AM, Glozone wrote:
If other players in the game trick me, fine, shame on me. If the Mod tricks me, it's shame on them. I obviously outplayed everyone here. Maybe hubris and the degree to which I was bored by the game ultimately stabbed me in the back, but you gave hubris and my boredom the knife as far as I'm concerned. Droids win.

I tricked almost everybody in this game (especially the mafia), check out all the hidden conditions above.

My message was an activity prod; which,in this instance meant, "if you vote for Khaos, and he's revealed as the lord of pain, then there is like a 95% chance that the town will VTL Khaos in DP5."
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1/17/2014 2:19:06 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Anyway, to sum up. I betrayed BOTH teams while making BOTH teams steadfastly believe in my loyalty and created a WHOLE OTHER TEAM which won. I obviously was overly arrogant but... yeah. I'm calling this a fairly good win.

I was very impressed with the playing of both Hatstand and Ore-Ele. And Khaos was a good partner and I felt very badly about betraying him.
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1/17/2014 2:21:57 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/17/2014 2:19:04 AM, Yraelz wrote:
At 1/17/2014 2:13:33 AM, Glozone wrote:
If other players in the game trick me, fine, shame on me. If the Mod tricks me, it's shame on them. I obviously outplayed everyone here. Maybe hubris and the degree to which I was bored by the game ultimately stabbed me in the back, but you gave hubris and my boredom the knife as far as I'm concerned. Droids win.

I tricked almost everybody in this game (especially the mafia), check out all the hidden conditions above.

My message was an activity prod; which,in this instance meant, "if you vote for Khaos, and he's revealed as the lord of pain, then there is like a 95% chance that the town will VTL Khaos in DP5."
Well, I'm very sorry I did not have my Yraelz Decoder Ring. Silly me, just... assuming your words meant what they meant, which is kind of what a Mod's supposed to do in this game. Hidden conditions is one thing, actively misleading and tricking people and prodding them into a certain action is quite another.
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1/17/2014 2:25:25 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Eh well,Future Game Warning:

My games from here on out will almost always contain a ton of misinformation. They will almost always rely primarily on behavior analysis.
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1/17/2014 2:39:32 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Fine. But I literally want to make sure you understand something before I let up on you about this:

I was nervous about being the one to kill Khaos just because, y'know, who knows? I didn't realize he was 1x lynch proof but all sorts of weird crap can happen in Mafia. I absolutely would have taken some time and thought about it and likely would have certainly glanced over the guy's character role had I not gotten what I thought was a "Hey! Game's over! Finish it!" from you. The trust I had in you as a Mod to, even if you mislead in your Moddy way, to not tell me what essentially amounted to outright bad advice is why I died. And that isn't cool.

By all means, make your games clever and challenging. Have hidden secrets and everything else. But don't send an unprompted personal private message to someone telling them how to "basically" win the game that turns out how to be their undoing. I really don't believe that to be appropriate.
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1/17/2014 3:18:07 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Misinformation is a fine thing - I always used to have 4 cops in my games for a reason - and I applaud its use. Misinformation through role madness is beautiful. I also love 'tricking' players, but it's got to be reasonable, and not mere, artificial chaos. Also, this game isn't at all well designed.

Firstly, any 'inside' roles in the Mafia PM are very dangerous, unbalanced things. To give that player the ability to recruit 2 players is stupidly unbalanced. Furthermore, it's very anti-town. Consider that there initially existed 3 Mafia, 1 3rd party and 8 town. Add in 2 town players who can be recruited and there's 6 anti-town players and 6 town players before kills or mislynches are even considered. How is the town meant to win that? One mislynch, a night kill and later recruiting the droids and town is already at 4-6; that's stupid. Town victories should not rely on being lucky with who the Mafia kills.

Also, Glozone's 'rewrite the role PM' power was completely overpowered. If he made town players PGO or overeager vigilante town would have absolutely imploded. And he could have been far less fair if he wished.

Glozone, to say you outplayed everybody is a joke. I investigated you NP 1. If I wasn't flavoured you'd be dead and hanging. If I wasn't flavoured this could have been a clean sweep, so don't talk about your brilliance when the investigator came after you NP 1. Furthermore, you were targeted for a kill NP 1. Needless to say, it's not like you 'outplayed' everybody - if roles went through you'd have been hung, drawn and quartered.

I was impressed by OreEle throughout. As much as I mislynched FT, his actions were anti-town and I stand by the lynch. Ultimately, the game design proved a far greater problem. When designing games, town must be able to win despite worst case night action results and at least 1 mislynch. That was not the case in this design.

On a lighter note, I must have forgotten we could visit planets. It never even crossed my mind!
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1/17/2014 7:45:12 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/17/2014 3:18:07 AM, Logic_on_rails wrote:
Misinformation is a fine thing - I always used to have 4 cops in my games for a reason - and I applaud its use. Misinformation through role madness is beautiful. I also love 'tricking' players, but it's got to be reasonable, and not mere, artificial chaos. Also, this game isn't at all well designed.

Firstly, any 'inside' roles in the Mafia PM are very dangerous, unbalanced things. To give that player the ability to recruit 2 players is stupidly unbalanced. Furthermore, it's very anti-town. Consider that there initially existed 3 Mafia, 1 3rd party and 8 town. Add in 2 town players who can be recruited and there's 6 anti-town players and 6 town players before kills or mislynches are even considered. How is the town meant to win that? One mislynch, a night kill and later recruiting the droids and town is already at 4-6; that's stupid. Town victories should not rely on being lucky with who the Mafia kills.

Also, Glozone's 'rewrite the role PM' power was completely overpowered. If he made town players PGO or overeager vigilante town would have absolutely imploded. And he could have been far less fair if he wished.

Glozone, to say you outplayed everybody is a joke. I investigated you NP 1. If I wasn't flavoured you'd be dead and hanging. If I wasn't flavoured this could have been a clean sweep, so don't talk about your brilliance when the investigator came after you NP 1. Furthermore, you were targeted for a kill NP 1. Needless to say, it's not like you 'outplayed' everybody - if roles went through you'd have been hung, drawn and quartered.

I was impressed by OreEle throughout. As much as I mislynched FT, his actions were anti-town and I stand by the lynch. Ultimately, the game design proved a far greater problem. When designing games, town must be able to win despite worst case night action results and at least 1 mislynch. That was not the case in this design.

On a lighter note, I must have forgotten we could visit planets. It never even crossed my mind!
I purposefully was confrontational and aggressive Day 1 so that people would investigate me Night 1, knowing I had the ability to change my role upon detection, which would thus confirm me as being a town for the rest of the game.... which is exactly what happened.

Being targeted for a Night Kill? No, that was unexpected. But I confess I didn't expect a player to be so reckless as to try to kill someone as a vig THAT early with no information supporting it.
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1/17/2014 7:49:07 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Actually... looking at people's actions in the Night Phase... when did someone try to kill me? Looks like that never happened... It was Lucky that F16 tried to kill. I was wondering about that because I didn't have any "not get lynched" protection, I was lying when I implied I did to throw some suspicion on to Khaos without being obvious about it to him.
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1/17/2014 7:52:39 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Intresting...

Remind me to play your next game if I get the chance.
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1/17/2014 8:48:08 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/17/2014 2:13:05 AM, Yraelz wrote:
Mafia MvP:
Khaos_Mage for continually coordinating the mafia's efforts. Without him the mafia PM would have been all but dead. Khaos' decision to kill Budda very nearly ended the towns chances of ever winning this game.

And I was going to kill Hatstand next NP, too.
You should have at least let me.
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