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1/21/2014 4:58:20 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
INTRODUCTION

The essence of DDO Mafia is the themed game. Almost all games on mafia are themed games. A themed game introduces new elements (and sometimes new mechanics) that add complexity and (hopefully) fun to the game.

In addition to an alignment and a role, players are also given characters that fit in with the theme. The roles almost (but not always or necessarily) fit with the character. This can be expressed in a number of ways. For example, if the theme is a TV show or movie, and your character is a cop, officer, or policeman, he might very will have the Mafia role of "Cop" due to the similarity in profession, if not function. Alternatively, if the character isn't such an occupation, but is otherwise good at discerning between good and evil, they might also be a "Cop" due to the similarity in function, if not profession.

Themes are limited only by the imagination. Most have to do with some form of media, such as TV shows, Literature, and Movies. Others are more abstract, like philosophies or politics. Literally anything can be a theme.

As said, themes add new elements to the game, which are summarized as follows:

1. Partial-claiming - Role-claiming can be dangerous for Townies to do, as it helps mafia decide who they need to kill. Instead of role-claiming, you can character claim. While your character may hint at your role, it is still safer than full claiming.

2. Fake-claiming - Mafia normally have to fake claim their roles when forced to claim in theme-less games. In themed games they also have to fake claim characters. Arguably this is more difficult. In role-claiming, they simply have to avoid being counter-claimed. In character claiming, they have to claim a character from the theme, is consistent with their role, and is major enough to be expected (though not all characters in the game will be major).

3. Patterns - Usually, there will be some distinguishing factor between the different factions. Normally this is a good vs. evil type discrimination, but not always. Remember, the Mafia start the game knowing 1/3rd of the role PMs, so have a head start in discerning any patterns and obfuscating Town's ability to also learn it.

4. Mod Psychology - Creating a themed game, including writing PMs, requires more input from the mod. Based on analysis of the game's creation, how the role PMs are written, and any patterns discovered, you can try and determine how the game was constructed in an effort to hunt for scum. However, this is more of an art than a science. Mistakes and deliberately traps created by the mod can hinder such an analysis. Trying to predict the mod's psychology is a double edged sword.

In this game, role were assigned randomly, but not randomly generated. In other words, I selected the roles (and tried to balance them) and then randomly assigned each player one of the roles I had pre-selected.

I'll give you one hint as to this game's theme. Good luck, and May the Force be With You!
Live Long and Prosper

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1/21/2014 5:00:42 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
A long time ago, in a forum far, far way...

LIVING PLAYERS

NightCats
Crypto
Lannan
Solon
Jopo
Yay
DudeStop
TheBigF
Pots

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch.
The DP ends at 5:00pm DDO time, on 1/23/14.


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1/21/2014 5:04:43 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
VTL Pots for claim.
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1/21/2014 5:05:27 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
VOTE COUNT

Pots (1/5) - Lannan
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1/21/2014 5:34:09 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Unvote
VTL Dudestop.


You're on claim.
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1/21/2014 5:39:18 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/21/2014 5:34:09 PM, lannan13 wrote:
Unvote
VTL Dudestop.


You're on claim.

I guess that was my 7k post.
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1/21/2014 5:51:56 PM
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In case there is a lie detector role out there I think we should all offer up IWWTT statements.

I win with the town
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1/21/2014 6:09:57 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
I'm a Gungan, and I win with the town.
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1/21/2014 6:15:01 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/21/2014 6:09:57 PM, TheBigF wrote:
I'm a Gungan, and I win with the town.

hhmmm... a species not a charicter. Unvote
VTL TheBig
F for clarification.
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1/21/2014 6:29:11 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/21/2014 5:51:56 PM, lannan13 wrote:
In case there is a lie detector role out there I think we should all offer up IWWTT statements.

I win with the town:

A "lie detector role"? Did I miss this before and if so can you explain? Because I feel like everyone's going to have the same statement
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1/21/2014 6:35:31 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/21/2014 6:29:11 PM, jopo wrote:
At 1/21/2014 5:51:56 PM, lannan13 wrote:
In case there is a lie detector role out there I think we should all offer up IWWTT statements.

I win with the town:

A "lie detector role"? Did I miss this before and if so can you explain? Because I feel like everyone's going to have the same statement

Rule Clarification:
The last two games each had a list of roles that could be in their respective game.
This game has no such list. As such, ANY role could be in this game.

Here is a cache of roles that are often used on DDO.
The roles in this game are likely from this list, but roles can also be made up by the mod.

Behold the possibilities:
https://docs.google.com...
My work here is, finally, done.
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1/21/2014 6:36:29 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Also just to avoid that whole "ah lurking!!!" thing again *ahem*

"I am a fellow who likes to eat/
And who some Jedi friends I will hug to greet/

My person is one of great dexterity/
In comparison to others, my knowledge about planets is a rarity/

You might think me quite hard-headed/
But my attention to detail is, by the enemy, dreaded."

I figured a quick poem would be appropriate
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1/21/2014 6:39:35 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/21/2014 6:35:31 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 1/21/2014 6:29:11 PM, jopo wrote:
At 1/21/2014 5:51:56 PM, lannan13 wrote:
In case there is a lie detector role out there I think we should all offer up IWWTT statements.

I win with the town:

A "lie detector role"? Did I miss this before and if so can you explain? Because I feel like everyone's going to have the same statement

Rule Clarification:
The last two games each had a list of roles that could be in their respective game.
This game has no such list. As such, ANY role could be in this game.

Here is a cache of roles that are often used on DDO.
The roles in this game are likely from this list, but roles can also be made up by the mod.

Behold the possibilities:
https://docs.google.com... :

I really appreciate this, however it also refuses to open on my computer :(
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1/21/2014 6:54:23 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/21/2014 6:36:29 PM, jopo wrote:
Also just to avoid that whole "ah lurking!!!" thing again *ahem*

"I am a fellow who likes to eat/
And who some Jedi friends I will hug to greet/

My person is one of great dexterity/
In comparison to others, my knowledge about planets is a rarity/

You might think me quite hard-headed/
But my attention to detail is, by the enemy, dreaded."

I figured a quick poem would be appropriate

Jar Jar Binks

Vtl jopo
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1/21/2014 7:00:55 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/21/2014 6:54:23 PM, NightofTheLivingCats wrote:
At 1/21/2014 6:36:29 PM, jopo wrote:
Also just to avoid that whole "ah lurking!!!" thing again *ahem*

"I am a fellow who likes to eat/
And who some Jedi friends I will hug to greet/

My person is one of great dexterity/
In comparison to others, my knowledge about planets is a rarity/

You might think me quite hard-headed/
But my attention to detail is, by the enemy, dreaded."

I figured a quick poem would be appropriate

Jar Jar Binks


Vtl jopo

Nope, let me drop another hint - look at the bolded
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1/21/2014 7:48:50 PM
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Alrighty guys, in these types of games character and theme analysis are very important. There are often hints as to the alignment of the players hidden within the characters everyone is assigned. As our resident Star Wars scholar, I advocate a mass character claim. Everyone will claim their characters, and leave their roles hidden. This will allows anyone with in depth knowledge of the theme to analyze and look for patterns.

I will start this off by claiming my character. I am R2D2.

Here is an excellent reference guide for this theme:
Www.wookieepedia.com

@ bsh: is this theme based on a restricted canon or a broader spectrum? From jopo's soft claim I know that the prequels are included, but are we restricted to the films?
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1/21/2014 8:16:44 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/21/2014 7:48:50 PM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
Alrighty guys, in these types of games character and theme analysis are very important. There are often hints as to the alignment of the players hidden within the characters everyone is assigned. As our resident Star Wars scholar, I advocate a mass character claim. Everyone will claim their characters, and leave their roles hidden. This will allows anyone with in depth knowledge of the theme to analyze and look for patterns.

I will start this off by claiming my character. I am R2D2.

Here is an excellent reference guide for this theme:
Www.wookieepedia.com

@ bsh: is this theme based on a restricted canon or a broader spectrum? From jopo's soft claim I know that the prequels are included, but are we restricted to the films?

I doubt Bsh can answer that. It's part of the theme game to try and figure out what the theme is.

I'm Han Solo.

The clue we were given was "Good luck, and may the force be with you." If I remember correctly, that is an EXACT quote from one of the movies; I just can't remember which one. If anyone finds that out, it could help majorly to elaborate upon some pattern...

Claims List:
Solon- Han Solo
TheBigF- A Gungan
NightCats- Queen Amidala
Pots- R2D2
Jopo- Is a person of great dexterity

I can't see any defining differences. We need some more character claims.
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1/21/2014 8:23:34 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/21/2014 8:16:44 PM, SolonKR wrote:
At 1/21/2014 7:48:50 PM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
Alrighty guys, in these types of games character and theme analysis are very important. There are often hints as to the alignment of the players hidden within the characters everyone is assigned. As our resident Star Wars scholar, I advocate a mass character claim. Everyone will claim their characters, and leave their roles hidden. This will allows anyone with in depth knowledge of the theme to analyze and look for patterns.

I will start this off by claiming my character. I am R2D2.

Here is an excellent reference guide for this theme:
Www.wookieepedia.com

@ bsh: is this theme based on a restricted canon or a broader spectrum? From jopo's soft claim I know that the prequels are included, but are we restricted to the films?

I doubt Bsh can answer that. It's part of the theme game to try and figure out what the theme is.

I'm Han Solo.

The clue we were given was "Good luck, and may the force be with you." If I remember correctly, that is an EXACT quote from one of the movies; I just can't remember which one. If anyone finds that out, it could help majorly to elaborate upon some pattern...

Claims List:
Solon- Han Solo
TheBigF- A Gungan
NightCats- Queen Amidala
Pots- R2D2
Jopo- Is a person of great dexterity

I can't see any defining differences. We need some more character claims.

Darth Maul- I win with the town... (This surprised me as well lol.)
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1/21/2014 8:28:28 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/21/2014 6:36:29 PM, jopo wrote:
Also just to avoid that whole "ah lurking!!!" thing again *ahem*

"I am a fellow who likes to eat/
And who some Jedi friends I will hug to greet/

My person is one of great dexterity/
In comparison to others, my knowledge about planets is a rarity/

You might think me quite hard-headed/
But my attention to detail is, by the enemy, dreaded."

I figured a quick poem would be appropriate

Yoda. You will probably win with the town.
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1/21/2014 8:29:26 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/21/2014 8:23:34 PM, DudeStop wrote:
At 1/21/2014 8:16:44 PM, SolonKR wrote:
At 1/21/2014 7:48:50 PM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
Alrighty guys, in these types of games character and theme analysis are very important. There are often hints as to the alignment of the players hidden within the characters everyone is assigned. As our resident Star Wars scholar, I advocate a mass character claim. Everyone will claim their characters, and leave their roles hidden. This will allows anyone with in depth knowledge of the theme to analyze and look for patterns.

I will start this off by claiming my character. I am R2D2.

Here is an excellent reference guide for this theme:
Www.wookieepedia.com

@ bsh: is this theme based on a restricted canon or a broader spectrum? From jopo's soft claim I know that the prequels are included, but are we restricted to the films?

I doubt Bsh can answer that. It's part of the theme game to try and figure out what the theme is.

I'm Han Solo.

The clue we were given was "Good luck, and may the force be with you." If I remember correctly, that is an EXACT quote from one of the movies; I just can't remember which one. If anyone finds that out, it could help majorly to elaborate upon some pattern...

Claims List:
Solon- Han Solo
TheBigF- A Gungan
NightCats- Queen Amidala
Pots- R2D2
Jopo- Is a person of great dexterity

I can't see any defining differences. We need some more character claims.

Darth Maul- I win with the town... (This surprised me as well lol.)

Interesting. So that makes for the first force user in the list. If you are indeed town, that throws the possibility of force-users / non-force users out the window. I read that as town-ish because I highly doubt mafia would try to fake-claim a Sith.

Right now, TheBigF is the odd man out with just "A Gungan" as his claim.
TBF, if you are still here, please clarify.
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1/21/2014 8:31:05 PM
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At 1/21/2014 8:26:23 PM, NightofTheLivingCats wrote:
unvote VTL Solon

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1/21/2014 8:31:13 PM
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At 1/21/2014 8:29:26 PM, SolonKR wrote:
At 1/21/2014 8:23:34 PM, DudeStop wrote:
At 1/21/2014 8:16:44 PM, SolonKR wrote:
At 1/21/2014 7:48:50 PM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
Alrighty guys, in these types of games character and theme analysis are very important. There are often hints as to the alignment of the players hidden within the characters everyone is assigned. As our resident Star Wars scholar, I advocate a mass character claim. Everyone will claim their characters, and leave their roles hidden. This will allows anyone with in depth knowledge of the theme to analyze and look for patterns.

I will start this off by claiming my character. I am R2D2.

Here is an excellent reference guide for this theme:
Www.wookieepedia.com

@ bsh: is this theme based on a restricted canon or a broader spectrum? From jopo's soft claim I know that the prequels are included, but are we restricted to the films?

I doubt Bsh can answer that. It's part of the theme game to try and figure out what the theme is.

I'm Han Solo.

The clue we were given was "Good luck, and may the force be with you." If I remember correctly, that is an EXACT quote from one of the movies; I just can't remember which one. If anyone finds that out, it could help majorly to elaborate upon some pattern...

Claims List:
Solon- Han Solo
TheBigF- A Gungan
NightCats- Queen Amidala
Pots- R2D2
Jopo- Is a person of great dexterity

I can't see any defining differences. We need some more character claims.

Darth Maul- I win with the town... (This surprised me as well lol.)

Interesting. So that makes for the first force user in the list. If you are indeed town, that throws the possibility of force-users / non-force users out the window. I read that as town-ish because I highly doubt mafia would try to fake-claim a Sith.

Right now, TheBigF is the odd man out with just "A Gungan" as his claim.
TBF, if you are still here, please clarify.

I think Jopo is Yoda. What would you say?
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1/21/2014 8:32:51 PM
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At 1/21/2014 8:31:05 PM, SolonKR wrote:
At 1/21/2014 8:26:23 PM, NightofTheLivingCats wrote:
unvote VTL Solon

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Han is in New Hope. So far all the claimed characters are in Episode 1
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1/21/2014 8:36:34 PM
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At 1/21/2014 8:32:51 PM, NightofTheLivingCats wrote:
At 1/21/2014 8:31:05 PM, SolonKR wrote:
At 1/21/2014 8:26:23 PM, NightofTheLivingCats wrote:
unvote VTL Solon

?

Han is in New Hope. So far all the claimed characters are in Episode 1

R2D2 was in Episode IV... and V... and VI...
If Yoda is really Jopo's claim, he was in episode V and VI.
I don't think Episodes have anything to do with it.
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1/21/2014 8:38:10 PM
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At 1/21/2014 8:32:51 PM, NightofTheLivingCats wrote:
At 1/21/2014 8:31:05 PM, SolonKR wrote:
At 1/21/2014 8:26:23 PM, NightofTheLivingCats wrote:
unvote VTL Solon

?

Han is in New Hope. So far all the claimed characters are in Episode 1

Yes but that is 3 out of the 9 roles.